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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2017, 08:41:26 am »
Without Touhou, there would have been nothing to stop Naruto from taking over the doujin scene as well!!!

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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2017, 10:09:36 am »
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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2017, 06:48:05 pm »
So if we add up all Touhou doujins from TH-exclusive events would that make for a more accurate representation of Touhou's popularity?

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« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2017, 07:05:43 pm »
So if we add up all Touhou doujins from TH-exclusive events would that make for a more accurate representation of Touhou's popularity?

A ton of fans don't make doujins. (Just look at everyone here) This would only be a slice of the whole pie. You'd need to collect several different samples from different facets of the fandom itself, and I think given previous observations, that we'll end up with the conclusion that Touhou is either still first, or a solid second compared to other franchises.

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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2017, 07:01:18 pm »
Kinda weird that you have to go through so many hoops to judge Touhou's popularity though. Then again, pretty much the same for others thing. Guess we're just way too used of searching the first page of Google or something to judge. (IDK, just spitballing.)

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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2017, 07:26:43 am »
I remember back some 4 years ago when some people were wondering if Kancolle would be the series that killed Touhou. I'll admit, back in 2013-14, that kind of looked like it might've been the case a little bit since Kancolle was exploding at an alarmingly fast rate and Touhou was on a bit of a decline. I think I even saw some people here in these forums fretting over traditional Touhou doujin groups moving to KC basically implying this is what would kill the series.
Now here we are in 2017, Touhou is still very much alive and well, and I'm actually often finding myself wondering where Kantai Collection went. I haven't seen it being "talked about everywhere" since the anime came out, that was a long time ago and I heard the anime kind of tanked anyway (I just heard about it, but seeing how I thought it was pretty bad I wouldn't be surprised). I am even getting the feeling KC kind of died off here in the West while it'd be ludicrous to say Touhou is anywhere near close to danger here.

tl;dr this thread is kind of 4 years too late, tbh.

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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2017, 09:42:23 am »
Rough guess with no lead: FGO will kill Kancolle and then people will start wondering if FGO is going to kill Touhou.

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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2017, 01:36:31 pm »
Kancolle still has plenty of momentum with the recent movie, though I'm not sure where they're going from here. That's not to say FGO won't surpass it.

This is all until the Pop Team Epic anime comes out and obliterates everything.

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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2017, 02:49:30 pm »
Is FGO really that popular? To me it seemed more like a fad akin to pokemon go rather than a thing with a large, strong, steady fanbase. Fate as a whole has a decent fanbase, but... again, comparing it to pokemon go, pokemon has a pretty huge fanbase but that wasn't enough to keep pokemon go popular for long.

Though I could be really off the mark about it, which is why I'm asking.
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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2017, 09:40:42 pm »
Fate in general has had a huge surge in the past few years, what with the Extras and and Grand Order and all, not to mention the Zero series and heck, even Carnival Phantasm. It's been a good time for Fate.

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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2017, 09:42:52 pm »
Is FGO really that popular? To me it seemed more like a fad akin to pokemon go rather than a thing with a large, strong, steady fanbase. Fate as a whole has a decent fanbase, but... again, comparing it to pokemon go, pokemon has a pretty huge fanbase but that wasn't enough to keep pokemon go popular for long.

Though I could be really off the mark about it, which is why I'm asking.
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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2017, 09:56:37 pm »
Ah, I was focusing mostly on the "Grand Order" part rather than the "Fate" part. I know Fate has a pretty big fanbase (though I didn't realize it was THAT big). Like, I can see the Fate series getting more popular over time while FGO specifically is probably going to die out sooner or later.

Though I guess the distinction probably isn't important for this conversation, I just misunderstood what Helel was talking about so I got confused.
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« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2017, 11:04:38 pm »
Sorry to get all political, but Kancolle will never last as long as Touhou as long as its a fetishism of japan's horrible past. No matter what there are going to be people in the west who actively oppose something that depicts the japanese empire as cute girls fighting against horrible demons, when it was actually one of the most horrific empires in human history.

Touhou doesn't have that contraverisal aspect to it. Just cute girls who are actually human eating monsters. Kancolle will die out and be replaced by


Kinda weird that you have to go through so many hoops to judge Touhou's popularity though.
If just typing in "Touhou" on the search trends page on google is "going through so many hoops" for you then idk what to say. And really its hard to give solid, actual, proof of somethings popularity without having to look up statistics or anything. You cant just ask someone "YO IS TOUHOU POPULAR OR WHAT?" and then expect that persons answer to be 100% true and without any basis.
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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2017, 12:37:51 am »
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Do you expect people to just stop being tribalistic on a dime?  There are national grudges going back centuries that people are still fighting and killing over.  While yes, military worship is a serious social problem, it's not what will stop Kancolle.  What will stop it is something that beats it at its own strength - mass production and branding of easily accessible blank-slate waifus.  Which sure sounds like FGO to me.

Is FGO really that popular? To me it seemed more like a fad akin to pokemon go rather than a thing with a large, strong, steady fanbase. Fate as a whole has a decent fanbase, but... again, comparing it to pokemon go, pokemon has a pretty huge fanbase but that wasn't enough to keep pokemon go popular for long.

Though I could be really off the mark about it, which is why I'm asking.
Pokemon Go surged fast but within 6 months or so it was pretty much off the radar.
FGO is going into its third year of constant growth, both in money and in fan production.  It's for reals, yo.
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« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2017, 12:50:08 am »
Do you expect people to just stop being tribalistic on a dime?  There are national grudges going back centuries that people are still fighting and killing over. 
No, i expect people to realize that a empire that raped, killed, stole, burn, and tortured its way through the pacific shouldn't be fetishized into cute ship girls.
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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2017, 01:36:23 am »
Japan is neither the first nor the last country to gloss over and/or glorify it's past crimes against others, war-crimes or otherwise. As much as I hate how Kantai blatantly ignores the history of the ships the girls are based off in favor of one-dimensional "dere" personalities, it's a moot point to argue about it so long as their audience doesn't care.

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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2017, 01:38:40 am »
No, i expect people to realize that a empire that raped, killed, stole, burn, and tortured its way through the pacific shouldn't be fetishized into cute ship girls.
See, if you want to make this argument, we're not the people you have to convince that conquering is bad.  You'd have to ask the main audience in Japan to actively turn their backs on both their own nation's naval pride and more importantly their waifus. And well, good luck with that.

Plus, it's become more general military fetishism lately, as 15 foreign ships have joined the ranks of the Admiral's harem.
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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2017, 03:55:29 am »
While it may be more popular in Japan, Kantai Collection is not as popular worldwide as Touhou. The war crimes aspect may not matter to the Japanese (though it should) but it certianly matters overseas. Many of us are put of the series simply because of that - others reject it because it's crap. Between those 2 I've failed to find anybody who's as staunch a fan of them as any of us. Communities I go on which don't care about the war crimes aspect generally still detest the series because of things such as crap gameplay or a dislike of the characters.

What grounding do they have in the west? Porn. That's about it. People like Touhou for the games, the music, the stories, the characters and many other things. They beat us only in the porn department and to be honest they can have that.

Touhou will last in people's hearts. Music is remembered for life - even if it's name is forgotten. I hope they die out one day. If we've lost our top spot then anybody can lose their top spot. When the day comes that they lose their place, we'll reclaim our place above them. Hopefully we can one day have a more respectable competitor. Demonising us will come back to bite them one day.
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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #50 on: September 02, 2017, 12:16:05 pm »
I don't think we should turn this thread into "Kancolle shitting thread".
I don't like Kancolle for a variety of reasons. I don't like the game itself, the anime was pretty bad imo, what in God's name is that series' character design, probably more that I don't care to list.
But even then I don't think we should use this thread to rant about how we don't like Kancolle and how Touhou is sooooo much better. We should just enjoy what we enjoy.

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« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2017, 01:18:23 pm »
I don't think we should turn this thread into "Kancolle shitting thread".
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« Reply #52 on: September 02, 2017, 06:17:56 pm »
When did I?
Giving some criticism is fine, it's not like Touhou is perfect either, but I don't think we should use this to make long rants about how much better Touhou is and how Kancolle is immoral and bad and whatever.
It's not a series for me, but that's alright. It appeals to a demographic I'm simply not a part of.

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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2017, 08:01:57 pm »
Japan is neither the first nor the last country to gloss over and/or glorify it's past crimes against others, war-crimes or otherwise. As much as I hate how Kantai blatantly ignores the history of the ships the girls are based off in favor of one-dimensional "dere" personalities, it's a moot point to argue about it so long as their audience doesn't care.

Pretty much this. I mean yeah, Japan has been doing this since Space Battleship Yamato. On the other hand there's, oh, all of American cinema and television.

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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #54 on: September 02, 2017, 08:07:21 pm »
1. I really doubt Touhous time "in the sun" is over. It's still going strong. It's just things have changed with newer franchises appearing and specialized cons appearing. It's still as strong as ever and it seems like it may remain that way for a while.

2. I see people are turning this thread into a KanColle/Fate bashing thread and to me and honestly, I think we should learn to respect what people like. If I want to be honest I like Fate and KanColle as well as Touhou, even if Touhou is #1 for me between the three. To me, they all hold different demographics that may overlap sometimes and I really don't think there's much competition, even if some doujin artists tread to the other once in a while. You may not like one or both things mentioned here but I feel like people should respect others who happen to like the series too because if we respect other Touhou fans why not respect that those fans like something, even if we don't like it? I just worry this topic will turn into huge bashing and away from the topic at hand.

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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #55 on: September 02, 2017, 10:16:26 pm »
I still have moral issues with that series. Like what you want. I will say I'd prefer you didn't like it but I have no right to tell you what to like and dislike - it'd be hypocritical of me otherwise. It's the only thing that I'd say that with as I have few moral issues with any series. My point was that in the west we have little access to that series outside of the occasional doujin fancomic. Maybe I could have said that without bashing them as much but I have to vent from time to time.

I have no problem with Fate either - enjoy that as much as you want.
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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #56 on: September 03, 2017, 12:49:53 am »
Let's all admit lewd factor are deciding factor to hentai doujins.

Judging by base material, i mean original game, Kancolle definitely appealing to more wider audience, mainly designed to appeal with physical attractiveness, from humble to lewd, i won't deny that Kancolle have better base material, for certain "kind of things" among other.
I'm not too knowledgeable about it, but aren't Kancolle in original game are all art by commisioned artist? If so, being a commisioned artist means that they must have very good skill, that would make the thong & bandage bra base material easy to perceive as pretty & attractive if not sexually, easily desireable.
There's probably more to it than that, but i have like no real experience in Kancolle, probably the ships history if i make a common guess.
From what i read the plot aren't that bad in one of the novel version at least, that one with alternate universe, definitely alluring for male audience i say.
And whats more, Kancolle have friggin girls(& grown up women) voices that comes out when you tap theirrr........wherever you want to "tap" them. If you are being indecisive i suggest the outer layer of the area where their mammary gland are.
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pr0n site with aim on more wider audience(as wiki states lol) they definitely seems prosper, but the fan service they provide make me wonder what kind of wider audience do they mean, like, apple don't fall far from the tree.
Kancolle indeed deserve their rank up there, normally. And inb4, i apologize if my statement are actually off as i didn't bother look to much into it (lol).

Now let's look at ZUN drawing & laugh merrily together. Actually ZUN drawing style are kind of cute in it's own way when compared to Alphes or Harukawa, especially the epic smug face on innocent art style.
If Touken Ranbu art are either "male" or "looks like female", Touhou art ambiguous in whether they are "old hag(?)" and "midget looks like little girl or actual(most probably no way) little girl".
Even with the official printworks and spin-off game where they have different artist, drawing still kind of ambiguous. (aside from judging by certain "plot assets", i would be called gross again if i clearly say what they are, the dudes here can be inconsiderate i let you know that)
Then again ZUN has wife & offspring, what liberty does he have if he prefer to keep his dignity & possibly beers allowance money?
I don't really want to start bragging nonsensically about Phantom Ensemble, Desire Drive, Night Sakura of Dead Spirit, Border of Life & of course the help from fan arrangement.

If what the others said are true about Kancolle can only produce doujin manga/printworks & music, if comparing to touhou which can also produce fangames, i think making fangames need more effort & time than making printworks.
With that, scoring by numbers like that are rather quantity over quality, not saying that its bad or incorrect but it's still just one of another way to decide or judge.
I'm actually not too certain about this one point of mine though, as i never draw manga, but i assume it's rather breeze if you already mastered the skill. seeing those one howr drawing & such.

About "each game having nothing to do with each other" point, it's neither entirely wrong or correct.
I think it's kinda like Gundam franchise, with the amount of the games titles there are it will be inconvenient for newcomer if the latest title require you to know the plot of the previous title, and the previous title require you to know the plot of it's previous title and so on.
Look at that "butterfly Gundam with moustache" and look at how GAR Barbatos Lupus Rex are, you can enjoy Barbatos without you ever need to know about that "butterfly Gundam with moustache" ever, it's not always a bad point.
It's right that most of the Touhou game not really having anything to do with each other, but each of the main game are still about maniacal cries & frustation the very same flying shrine maiden & the gang in Gensokyou(mostly). unlike phinal phantasy number number.

With all the consideration above, i think that wasn't a fair comparison, both Touhou & Kancolle have their own different handicap. The top can't be necessarily better than the bottom here.
In my opinion Touhou are light and homely while Kancolle looks "exciting", thats fine. And Touken Ranbu are like k-poop boyband, simply disgusting as fok, but i accept their exsitence as karma for the moronic behaviour of us male. i might have just made enemies.


OP don't like Touhou? i mean saying Touhou stale and such, if i talk back i say Kancolle horny. "yea yea imma shittin at ye moma, come at me bruh"
not like i actually dare, OP won't read this anyway

Actually I see on twitter that someone says Touhou fanbase is actually shifting to young girls instead of grownup male otaku.
That statement might hit a lot of damage to my confidence, if not mentally altering. I demand name, i'll make bussiness.

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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #57 on: September 03, 2017, 02:14:34 am »
Let's all admit lewd factor are deciding factor to hentai doujins.

Judging by base material, i mean original game, Kancolle definitely appealing to more wider audience, mainly designed to appeal with physical attractiveness, from humble to lewd, i won't deny that Kancolle have better base material, for certain "kind of things" among other.
I'm not too knowledgeable about it, but aren't Kancolle in original game are all art by commisioned artist? If so, being a commisioned artist means that they must have very good skill, that would make the thong & bandage bra base material easy to perceive as pretty & attractive if not sexually, easily desireable.
There's probably more to it than that, but i have like no real experience in Kancolle, probably the ships history if i make a common guess.
From what i read the plot aren't that bad in one of the novel version at least, that one with alternate universe, definitely alluring for male audience i say.
And whats more, Kancolle have friggin girls(& grown up women) voices that comes out when you tap theirrr........wherever you want to "tap" them. If you are being indecisive i suggest the outer layer of the area where their mammary gland are.

There's saying that "after a bad first impression, it can only get better" as a game that hail from por...  pr0n site with aim on more wider audience(as wiki states lol) they definitely seems prosper, but the fan service they provide make me wonder what kind of wider audience do they mean, like, apple don't fall far from the tree.
Kancolle indeed deserve their rank up there, normally. And inb4, i apologize if my statement are actually off as i didn't bother look to much into it (lol).

The problem people would have with this argument is that all of your points are about the game's, er, "aesthetics" (mostly art and voice) and nothing else. Not the game play, not the music, not even the plot. Just "the girls are cute/hot" and "the V/O is cute/hot", and aesthetics alone does not automatically make a series "better".

Basically "KanColle" the series isn't appealing to a larger audience, "KanColle" the porn doujinshi industry is. And that fact plays into the argument a lot of people have made in the past- the "fans" that left Touhou for Kancolle or FGO because more waifus and porn were most likely never real "fans" in the first place.

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Now let's look at ZUN drawing & laugh merrily together. Actually ZUN drawing style are kind of cute in it's own way when compared to Alphes or Harukawa, especially the epic smug face on innocent art style.
If Touken Ranbu art are either "male" or "looks like female", Touhou art ambiguous in whether they are "old hag(?)" and "midget looks like little girl or actual(most probably no way) little girl".
Even with the official printworks and spin-off game where they have different artist, drawing still kind of ambiguous. (aside from judging by certain "plot assets", i would be called gross again if i clearly say what they are, the dudes here can be inconsiderate i let you know that)

Nobody will argue that ZUN's art quality is better then KanColle. What they will argue, though, is that his designs are a lot better than KanColle. As you mentioned, KanColle mostly revolves their designs over a handful of sexy/fetish outfits copy-pasted onto a collection of girls that fall into a handful of catagories:
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ZUN, on the other hand, rarely if ever relies on "fan-service" designs to make his characters appealing, something a lot of people enjoy. And official manga art being inconsistent is due to him not wanting to dictate artist's visual interpretations of the characters (though he still handles the writing) because that's how he wishes it to be. Nothing really wrong with that.


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With all the consideration above, i think that wasn't a fair comparison, both Touhou & Kancolle have their own different handicap. The top can't be necessarily better than the bottom here.
In my opinion Touhou are light and homely while Kancolle looks "exciting", thats fine. And Touken Ranbu are like k-poop boyband, simply disgusting as fok, but i accept their exsitence as karma for the moronic behaviour of us male. i might have just made enemies.

You brought up TR before, and I'm still confused about what makes that so bad? If it's because it's a Yaoi-pretty-boy-simulator or something, then isn't that basically gender-bent KanColle as far as aesthetics go?
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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #58 on: September 03, 2017, 03:26:52 am »
The problem people would have with this argument is that all of your points are about the game's, er, "aesthetics" (mostly art and voice) and nothing else. Not the game play, not the music, not even the plot. Just "the girls are cute/hot" and "the V/O is cute/hot", and aesthetics alone does not automatically make a series "better".
As i cautiosuly said before, i just can't because i haven't actually play the game, trying the music, or read the plot. But "aesthetics" also part of game industry strategy.
I didn't mean to cover the whole stuff, that would mean i need to jump into Kancolle then, which i'm unwilling.

Basically "KanColle" the series isn't appealing to a larger audience, "KanColle" the porn doujinshi industry is. And that fact plays into the argument a lot of people have made in the past- the "fans" that left Touhou for Kancolle or FGO because more waifus and porn were most likely never real "fans" in the first place.
I didn't remember much but didn't they have all ages section where kancolle are accessable?
But that's agreeable, only people who browse their pr0n site would likely actually play the game & get into it right?

Nobody will argue that ZUN's art quality is better then KanColle. What they will argue, though, is that his designs are a lot better than KanColle. As you mentioned, KanColle mostly revolves their designs over a handful of sexy/fetish outfits copy-pasted onto a collection of girls that fall into a handful of catagories:
  • Loli
  • Busty onee-chan
  • Blonde busty onee-chan
....and that's about it.

ZUN, on the other hand, rarely if ever relies on "fan-service" designs to make his characters appealing, something a lot of people enjoy. And official manga art being inconsistent is due to him not wanting to dictate artist's visual interpretations of the characters (though he still handles the writing) because that's how he wishes it to be. Nothing really wrong with that.
If by "a lot better" mean more humble or modest, no refute. But i can't really judge design because Kancolle actually also has some rather humble design. Even though aside from the ship component, Touhou design are more unique.

Skipping the next few paragraphs because, while I truely appreciate the effort to make a point in English, I simply struggle to understand what you're trying to say.  :(
I got that often, don't worry im not offended but might cry a bit, thank you.
it's just the emoticon offend me

You brought up TR before, and I'm still confused about what makes that so bad? If it's because it's a Yaoi-pretty-boy-simulator or something, then isn't that basically gender-bent KanColle as far as aesthetics go?
Yep, it is male version of Kancolle. And that's what most doujin sells right? character appearance.
The homo archetype male design piss me off (lol). I mean it's like they are looking down on us male, while i never looking down on female in the same manner, of course i get offended. I know it's immature but i can't help it.

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Re: Is Touhou's time in the sun over? And why?
« Reply #59 on: September 03, 2017, 07:08:30 am »

Basically "KanColle" the series isn't appealing to a larger audience, "KanColle" the porn doujinshi industry is. And that fact plays into the argument a lot of people have made in the past- the "fans" that left Touhou for Kancolle or FGO because more waifus and porn were most likely never real "fans" in the first place.


Ah... this is the sort of mentality that sometime gives a certain stigma on the Touhou fanbase and sadly, it is absolutely deserved. As much as I like the series and the fanbase, whenever someone says  that someone isn't/wasn't a real fan for X reason, they sound rather... how to say it... snobbish and elitist? Personally I am not fond of Kancolle for reasons that have already been stated here but I admit played it in the past and while it's true that fanservice has a strong presence in the game, there's various reasons why it can appeal to various folks. In fact, if I had to criticize the game itself, I'd have to say it's a pretty freaking horrible browser game (and the less I say about the anime the better) because of the way it works. Still beyond that, ignoring the fanservice, I know plenty of folks who likes some of the characters designs (Abyss fleet being commonly praised far more than the playable ships) and the personality brought by the lines of the characters. There's enough stuff and effort put in that game to justify having it a fanbase although I do admit that regardless of the reasons, I'm still surprised that it's influence and popularity blew up to the point it reached and in a certain way, I can sort of respect that the game is fairly casual friendly even for F2P players.*

As for Touhou's current situation, I think it's pointless to worry too much about it's influence. Didn't ZUN state that he'd keep making stuff even if people stopped liking his games anyway? Touhou is fine and there's still tons of materials made by the fans so there's no need to worry about it or to put down other people because of something they like. Some artists went from Touhou to Kancolle so I can sympathize with the disappointment of the fans... since I'm a big Ragnarok Online fan and lots of it's artists back in the days moved on... to Touhou and that's one of the ways I was introduced to it.

I still genuinely think the best approach with Touhou in general is to take it easy.

*: Don't have anything to say about FGO, never played it since I can't anyway.
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