Topic: New Touhou Print Book Announced: "東方文果真報 Alternative Facts in Eastern Utopia"  (Read 24037 times)

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The dishonest tengu media make false statements in order to make our great Taoist policies look bad - very sad!

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While the title of the book make an obvious reference to a certain something, I honestly expected it to lightly poke the topic at the very best but not straight up throw it in, not even in a satyrical manner, haha. One day, a few years later, new Touhou fans who are not familiar with the context are going to stumble into this book and be like WTH ?!! Official material can be surprisingly crazy sometimes.

... also... Wakasagihime... is... surprisingly racked

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Looks like danbooru has some more scans, like this one featuring Clownpiece and Hecatia: http://safebooru.donmai.us/posts/2676242?tags=Touhou

There are also the full versions of the picture with the Aya, Momiji and Hatate … but I’m not going to link to those.

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Okay, I'll bite: Why are the tengu posing for pictures like that (in Aya's own publication, no less(maybe??))?
It only makes sense for Aya to opt for a "sex sells"-tactic, like real life gossip magazines do. That's why ZUN would be okay with something raunchy, just this once.

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Aha. I suppose that makes sense. ZUN is oddly good about using Momizi in Aya settings, though, given the events of DS.
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The better question is, how the hell did the serious Momiji of all people agree to this. With the person she hates, no less.

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Obviously the lewd photos are a mishap by Aya's part. She send them to  the print by mistake, as they are the photos the tengu take of each other while doing the stuff lovers do.  When Aya realised she had published personal photos , she decided to cancel the book, as we can see in the lastest FS chapter. Mystery solved(?)
PS Now talking seriously, there is any hint in the book about why it has been canceled?

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PS Now talking seriously, there is any hint in the book about why it has been canceled?
I found this on the chinese wiki
http://thwiki.cc/东方文果真报/澄清/发售中止
(Pages 138-141 of the magazine)
Passing it through google translate it looks like it gives an explanation for it.

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The first ever full-body picture of Momiji <3 <3 <3
Yes, sure, she appeared in the latest WaHH chapter but either her face was a blank state or she was really small, and not really the subject matter.
We could adopt that has a profile pic since it's from an official source.

To be perfectly honnest, besides Aya's pic, you can't really call that "suggestive poses" lol. Well, it's a book for all audiences so it's expected.

I laughed so hard at the fake Miko speech lol when I saw Clarste's Tumblr this morning.

Dat subtitle. Hahahaha. It's Zun's way to make fun of Trump.

CALLED IT.

It was kind of a given though...

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*Wild speculation about what Sagume is doing at Eientei

My piece of interest for me. After me saying in the AoCF that Sagume was the least likely character from LoLK to become playable because she totally wouldn't come into the impure Earth. How cute seeing Seiran/Ringo and Clownpiece/Hecatia in Gensokyo.

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Holy shit, Momji canonically confirmed to have wolf ears.
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Holy shit, Momji canonically confirmed to have wolf ears.
Someone said she shows up in another page without them.  ZUN has never been consistent with this.
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Someone said she shows up in another page without them.  ZUN has never been consistent with this.

Oh? Then i guess its really:

Holy shit, Momji canonically confirmed to be really inconsistent.

Also, Clarste has been posting stuff about this book on his tumblr, for example, a summary of an interview with Hecatia:

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Hecatia has a big interview in the Alternative Facts. Which is strangely and specifically political. Summary below, lots of paraphrasing.

First Hecatia gives a brief history of Hell: It’s usually thought of a prison-like world for sinners to be punished in after they die, but originally it was just a world created by and for incredibly selfish people who valued true freedom above all else (ie: Chaotic Neutral/Evil). They didn’t give a flip about humanity one way or another: the seas of fire were just there to cook their meat, and the seas of blood were just in case they ever got thirsty. However, at some point there was a social movement to create order, and the Yama and Kishin took things over for the whole “afterlife” thing. The older residents, like Hecatia, all have their own opinions, but she doesn’t especially mind. Some of the people who still value personal freedom have left to create their own new hells, but they aren’t really relevant.

Next, Hecatia talks about immigration. Specifically, Aya brings up the fear that immigrants from Hell will see the relatively prosperous Gensokyo as a feeding grounds and bring chaos and disorder. Hecatia points out that a birdcage with no holes for air to pass through is nothing more than a death trap. A steady influx of new ideas is necessary for the long-term survival of a society. And even if you think the people of Hell are too inherently destructive, excluding them entirely will merely piss off the people already inside who sympathize with them. It’s fundamentally impossible to preserve the social order merely by excluding people. At best it’s an illusion. And doesn’t Gensokyo take pride in accepting anyone? That’s its whole appeal.

Which naturally leads us to the Lunar Capital, that most obvious example of “order by exclusion”. Of all the worlds, they are literally the worst. They exclude everyone to construct a false paradise for themselves. They love insulting people, but have the thinnest skin of anyone. And more to the point, they don’t respect other ways of living. Hell and Gensokyo have their differences, but ultimately they can get along, but the Lunarians can’t get along with anyone. One of them has the power to twist the truth to serve their own ends, using lazy reporters like Aya to spread falsehoods (“hey!” says Aya) and change the perception of what “truth” even is. She goes on to insult the magazine.

Changing the subject, Clownpiece. Hecatia basically sent her to Gensokyo as a reward for completing a big job (the siege of the moon). Aya is skeptical, saying it’s clearly an aggressive move by Hell. Hecatia emphasizes that she only sees the moon as the enemy, and would like to get along with Gensokyo. Going back to Clownpiece, Aya notes that fairies are basically just background noise on the surface. In Hell though, they truly believe in the strongest rising to the top, so there are irrelevant Kishin and super-important fairies. Clownpiece is strong for a fairy, so Hecatia values her highly. Aya wishes tengu society were like that, because no matter how hard she works she’ll never move beyond her caste. Naturally, Hecatia invites her to come live in Hell, but points out that it’s not all good. At least Aya is guaranteed a position: in Hell people who fail even once usually sink to the bottom and can’t ever climb out of it. And those who aren’t blessed from the beginning would probably be happier dead. It is, after all, Hell.

Hecatia personally would like to have peaceful relations with Gensokyo, but Hell is all about freedom so everyone has different ideas. Some want to conquer it, some want to destroy the entire universe, etc etc. It’s Hell. But as long as she’s attaching herself to Gensokyo it’ll be difficult for anyone to make a move on it. Not because she has any control over their society—she describes herself as an “outlaw"—but because she’s super-strong and no one wants to mess with her. The absolute freedom of absolute power. "Goddess” is just a title given to such absolute powers.

She ends the interview with a summary of her points: you can’t isolate any society completely, so building a wall or excluding others is pointless. Just think of them as neighbors. Just some advice from a goddess.
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For the record, these are incredibly rough summaries, maybe even "impressions". I would not recommend thinking of them as an actual translation.

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Oh? Then i guess its really:

*interview with Hecatia*

Also, Clarste has been posting stuff about this book on his tumblr, for example, a summary of an interview with Hecatia:

Nice to see that Hecatia wants to establish diplomatic relations between Hell and Gensokyo. Perhaps as an apology for dragging Gensokyo into the events of LoLK?
Also, I guess its hard for someone who's anti-racist to live in a society of pro-racist people...
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Can I ask if you have charts like that for precious years? I always thought we had a low amount of porn even before we had a competitor. I've been looking for statistics like these since I had an argument with a fan of our competitor who claimed that porn gave them staying power.

Not to mention it's a source of pride to not be reliant on such things - given that I'm somewhat disappointed that the porn ratio for Vocaloid has gone up.
That particular series of charts only goes back to C87, it seems that data was the not being collected, so it is hard to compare with Kancolle.

C85 is the last chart with Touhou in front, at 2258 circles. Kancolle has 1178 at this time, before it really blew up.
C86, Kancolle blows past everyone, Touhou drops to 1938.
C87, now separated like that, Touhou second place at 1791.
C88, Touhou second place at 1523.
C89, Touhou third place behind Touken Ranbu, at 1666.
C90, Touhou second place at 1625.
C91, Touhou second place at 1623. (Kancolle at 2824!)

Any idea that "Touhou is dying omg" is just, plain, flat out wrong; it's holding steady. (also Granblue's fanbase sure looks healthy!)

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Touhou's got its own doujin events across the country not to mention Reitaisai too so it's not like it needs an overwhelming presence at Comiket anyway.
So Hecatia really is one of the strongest characters, so much that Gensokyo will be safe from threats if she is watching over it.

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So Hecatia really is one of the strongest characters, so much that Gensokyo will be safe from threats if she is watching over it.

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She describes herself as super-strong (超強い) and it's implied that no one in Hell would want to mess with her or anything she has her eye on. That's only her strength relative to the other denizens of Hell though.
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So Hecatia really is one of the strongest characters, so much that Gensokyo will be safe from threats if she is watching over it.

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I hope Hecatia acting as watchdog doesn't exclude other people from Hell appearing in Gensokyo.
She describes herself as super-strong (超強い) and it's implied that no one in Hell would want to mess with her or anything she has her eye on. That's only her strength relative to the other denizens of Hell though.
Still mean she's really strong, right?
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Still mean she's really strong, right?

She is, in fact, super-strong. You can quote me on that.
And BTW, Clartse, I asked this on your Tumblr, but might as well ask it here too.  Anything on Sekibanki, other than the smartphone neck article?
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Someone said she shows up in another page without them.  ZUN has never been consistent with this.
He was specifically asked about Momiji's ears and Aya's wings at AX.  His reply was "I don't know."  This is one mystery that shall not be answered.

All in all I'm liking what I see of this book.  It seems more like BAiJR, which I guess makes sense because it's an Aya book.  But the little ads and stuff that took the place of some of the interviews are superb.

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Any idea that "Touhou is dying omg" is just, plain, flat out wrong; it's holding steady. (also Granblue's fanbase sure looks healthy!)

If you are interested in only official games, then this is possible. But, ha, recently there has been a significant amount of pretty good doujin games.
So... I have no reason to think so.

i don't get the fuss about sopm. even when it came out i didn't think more than a small handful of people cared. characters are contradicted continuously in this franchise and fans haven't exactly stopped from interpreting them the way they like one way or another. and people definitely like the new games' content. (i quite like the casts of ddc/llok, personally, and i was not a big fan of ufo/10d)

people like to make up a lot of pointless drama where there really isn't any because it's more fun than thinking people get along fine, which they do, so i think people are drastically overrating how much various 'factions' exist and fight. people take what they like from it, ignore what they don't, and move on. touhou's a very, very diverse franchise with a little something for everyone and zun's own attitude of not taking it too seriously pans over to fans interpreting things how they want.

It's enough just to take Manga, and you'll immediately see how many inconsistencies in the temperament of the characters.
It just needs to be taken for granted, Zun does not take much care of the "storyline".
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If you are interested in only official games, then this is possible. But, ha, recently there has been a significant amount of pretty good doujin games.
So... I have no reason to think so.

It's enough just to take Manga, and you'll immediately see how many inconsistencies in the temperament of the characters.
It just needs to be taken for granted, Zun does not take much care of the "storyline".
Wrong, ZUN said before that he takes priority in the storylines when making the games.

And nowhere does it says the official games are dying and becoming less popular.  One of the biggest attractions of the series are its characters, so every time a new game is announced, people get excited about looking forward to new casts.  That is enough to keep interest in the series high.

Sure, ZUN may not be as active as before, but that's because he's a family man now and is too busy to be working on games all the time, not because he's lost interest due to the popularity waning, which was never the case.

Those complaining about the death of the series are the minority, and even then, they are proven wrong.
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It's enough just to take Manga, and you'll immediately see how many inconsistencies in the temperament of the characters.
The inconsistencies are due to the different PoV characters giving a different perception of the characters.

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And BTW, Clartse, I asked this on your Tumblr, but might as well ask it here too.  Anything on Sekibanki, other than the smartphone neck article?

No.

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So has there been any translation effort other then Clarste and the few pages that got danboorued?  I've noticed the raw text isn't even up on the wiki, which seems slower then normal.

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Masuo usually does the transcribing of the text, but it seems like he's been busy so he hasn't gotten around to it. Otherwise I probably would've knocked out a few articles by now.

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Masuo usually does the transcribing of the text, but it seems like he's been busy so he hasn't gotten around to it. Otherwise I probably would've knocked out a few articles by now.
Ah that makes sense.  Wish my kanji was better so I could help, but it's good to know it's not completely off everyone's radar.
 

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