Topic: Touhou 15.5: 東方憑依華 (Eastern Blooms of Possession) ~ Antinomy of Common Flowers  (Read 212418 times)

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Then again, many tag team fighters tend to have a single character as a final boss. Example would be like in Street Fighter X Tekken, where the final boss is either Akuma or Ogre.  Not the two at the same time, one or the another.

But they're still two bosses in that game... Maybe there are two new characters, and you fight with them separately in the others story mode (Like how you fighted with Iku first then with Tenshi in SWR) but they're a team in their story mode?
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Hmmm...dumb speculation time. 

This incident's origin might be related to Sumireko.  I think someone else has latched on to the rumor spread by her "humaning away" effect from WaHH and is taking it as far as they can with the Urban Legend power.  I really don't expect Lunarians involved.

Though if it's a duo tag system, and flowers are a thing of note...Yuuka teamed with herself for penultimate boss?  That'd definitely explain why the villagers are flipping out.  The final's got to be a new character or characters, of course, that's just how ZUN does it.
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*sniff* it smells nasty, Yukarin gonna be in this mess.

No she isn't.

She said she wasn't interested in the Urban Legend stuff in Marisa's LOLK ending.
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No she isn't.

She said she wasn't interested in the Urban Legend stuff in Marisa's LOLK ending.

Damn! i just wanna say it! i thought it was a chance! damn you old man

edit : sorry about that, i didn't mean to say "damn" to you old man
I meant to say "Yukarin complicated anyway" in effort to avoid off topic
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Since the title contains 依, it is reasonable to expect Yorihime (依姫) this time. In fact, the name of Tamayorihime, the dragon princess/priestess-goddess she is based on, means "the Noblewoman (hime) Possessed (yori) by Spirits (tama)." Being a vessel for spirits is exactly the goddess' specialty, and consequently Yorihime's.

But we are talking Touhou here. If you expect Yorihime, an all-new character may be what you get.No, ULiL is not needed.

Also the ULiL PS4 story specially stated that all users of Occult Balls are vulnerable to the effect.
Remember when some people expected Shinki in HM because the Japanese title contains a character found in her name?
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I wonder how the gameplay will look. Tekken-style character switching, or Marvel-style assists? Or both?
If the combo system holds up, the game will look pretty crazy, and that'd be really cool.
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I wonder what they are going to do for the music.
Will they reused the remixed tracks from ULiL?
Will they ask more artists to remix tracks for the new characters?

It be cool to see the same soundtrack remixed again, but I can see that being more of a hassle than just reusing tracks.

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I'll bet the final boss we're going to fight the other one in our team-up somehow, before fighting the clone of the duo, before facing down on the boss. That would definitively be appropriated with the theme.

Edit: Hopefully ZUN could deliver it though. The idea of a tag-team fighting game have too much potential to be used, it's maybe too hard to program it.

About the Duo itself though:
1. Reimu/ Marisa
2. Miko/Hijiri
3. Kokoro/Koishi
4.  Kaguya / Mokou
5.  Kasen / Sumireko

other are pretty much too at odd at each other to think of a proper pair-up.
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Duos speculation:

1. Reimu/Sukuna - they already live together basically.
2. Marisa/Nitori - history. Besides, Reimu/Marisa together is way too op and unlikely story-wise.
3. Ichirin/Hijiri
4. Futo/Miko - obvious pairs.
5. Kokoro/Koishi
6. Kasen/Mamizou
7. Mokou/Sumireko - friendsies!
8. Reisen/?

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If it's going to be something like counterpart pairing, i think Kasen would be with Mamizou. Sumireko is lackeys

I think it's right to expect Kaguya, along with Wriggle, or only one of them. Hisoutensoku wiki said ZUN had planned for them.

Spiritual/Mystic
Buddhist/Taoist (boy, freakin hilarious lmao)
Buddhist lackeys/Taoist lackeys (even more hilarious lmfao)
Deceitfull Tanuki/Goody-Goody Hermit-in-Name
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How much do you wanna bet that its going to be characters that NO ONE expected?
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Somehow, I get the feeling that the title will make perfect sense in the end, but in a way we'd NEVER be able to come up with until we see the story. Like "Hopeless Masquerade". I don't think many people here called that the plot of it was a menreiki (masquerade) stealing hope (hopeless) in order restore her lost mask of hope!

The plot already has me in its clutches. I MUST KNOW WHAT HAPPENS!

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My flipping brain if Yuuka moe gonna be one of them.

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About the Duo itself though:
4.  Kaguya / Mokou

other are pretty much too at odd at each other to think of a proper pair-up.

... :U


In the end, though, all this speculation will be completely thrown out the window when the new characters are announced and we find out none of them make any sense and ZUN/Tasofro just added them because they thought it'd be cool.
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Somehow I almost feel like Medicine is more likely to be involved than Yuuka.

If Yuuka is in the game, it would be neat to see her paired with Doremy as a Dream World team, even though I realize Doremy's probably pretty unlikely.

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Somehow I almost feel like Medicine is more likely to be involved than Yuuka.

If Yuuka is in the game, it would be neat to see her paired with Doremy as a Dream World team, even though I realize Doremy's probably pretty unlikely.
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Makes me wonder if ULIL's reveal had such an overwhelming negative reaction here, how bad was the reaction there.  This place is taking this game nicely.
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Makes me wonder if ULIL's reveal had such an overwhelming negative reaction here, how bad was the reaction there.  This place is taking this game nicely.

Well, 4chan only like the Touhou games that are Danmaku, they act a lot more violent and they have more trolls, haters and other awful things. There are rules here that aren't in 4chan, that's why is so chaotic there and here is much more smoother and pacific.
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I just had a thought about something...

Kosuzu recently got a musical theme, believe it or not, and she had been possessed before in FS, so maybe maybe the final boss is someone who's possessing Kosuzu? I know that the ones who used the Occult Orbs are the ones vulnerable here, but it would not surprise me if this actually happened, given Kosuzu's habit of accidentally stirring up trouble...
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In the end, though, all this speculation will be completely thrown out the window when the new characters are announced and we find out none of them make any sense and ZUN/Tasofro just added them because they thought it'd be cool.

It might be this or another one of those instances where a character(s) is added based on a remark, dialogue scene or something obscure in one of the print works. This is how Koishi got in HM after all. As for Kosuzu, I could imagine her fighting with books which she opens to do various effects although that would involve inserting something completely new that hasn't been established and I guess there's no way she'd want to risk damaging the books.  :V
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If Yuuka is in the game, it would be neat to see her paired with Doremy as a Dream World team, even though I realize Doremy's probably pretty unlikely.
Windows Yuuka has no relation to dreams or the Dream World whatsoever, tho.

Also, unless something changed, Sumireko should be unable to visit Gensokyo physically, and outside her sleep time.

Adding Rumia, Wriggle, and Kaguya, would finally complete Soku's initial idea.

Is it somehow confirmed to have playable teams? Otherwise i'm guessing you only have teams as opponents when playing the story.

The rumors about this unbeatable enemy are similar to how Taisui Xingjun in Soku was also supposedly invincible. Probably a call back?

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I still remember how much chaos and negativity there was here when ULIL's gameplay was revealed.  Someone even cried Christmas is ruined...  Surprised the same hasn't happened for this game.
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And then people realised many of the issues they had with Hopeless Masquerade were eliminated, except for those who didn't even want to try.  :V

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Write or fight, same thing. You might as well come out swinging either way.<3 Just not too hard, as that's no fun.

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I mean, I'm never particularly enthusiastic about fighting game spin-offs, and even less this time around because it's like the third in such a short time (fourth if you include the ULiL re-release, I guess) 
But the playable roster might make me change my mind (or make me meh even further, depending.)
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For the record, my one favourite thing from this series, other than the soundtrack, is character interaction. Competitive fighters are perfect for that purpose. :V

So when ZUN said he had a new game in the works, is it safe to assume this is what he was talking about? Or should we expect another announcement sometime this month?
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Write or fight, same thing. You might as well come out swinging either way.<3 Just not too hard, as that's no fun.

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I'm going to make a guess and say one of the teams is Reimu/Mokou, since we already saw them switching places in ULiL extra.

As for the new old characters, I'd guess at least one person from LoLK, maybe 2 since we have the team system. Junko would be interesting to see, Clownpiece is already getting some spotlight in the manga and would also be interesting to see, I can't imagine how Hecatia would play but she's the next one I'd imagine.

I'd expect read: hope Nue and/or Seija too, though I expected them last game and that didn't happen.

ZUN's recent return to the old games makes me think we might be getting a character from 6-9, though I feel like he's already given the IN crew their spotlight.

I don't think the pairs are going to be obvious a la Reimu/Marisa or Ichirin/Byakuren, so I don't really have guesses on that.
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Although story mode will most certainly be concrete pairs, I wouldn't be surprised if normal play lets you mix n' match.

It could go either way though (If all play is concrete teams there may be some duo moves, such as a finisher ala last words)
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Fixed teams would be horrible and I don't think they will go that way.
Even if the system allowed you to just play one character all the time with no penalty, that would be a terrible waste of potential.

That said, there are a lot of possibilities to consider when designing a tag team system. Would the characters have separate life bars or a shared one - and if separate, will the loss of one team member equal KO or not? How vital will switching out be to resource management? If not very vital, then will simple ULiL-style 1v1 battles be a viable option for Versus Mode? If vital, then what kind of variety will it bring to the gameplay? Switchout moves? Tag cancels? Assists? Combo breakers? Some character-dependent passive benefits on switch like in Ougon Musou Kyoku? There is a lot to consider.

Too bad a hypothetical 2 player vs 2 player mode is unlikely, if for the sheer hassle that would bring to configuring the keybinding on PC. That would be an incredibly sweet PvP option...

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Has there been any confirmation this is a tag battle/two character system?  Or is that just speculation based on the limited info given?
 

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