Daiyousei Quest - Greater Fairy: Part 21

[Evil_Nazgul0616]

//Where the hell did raf go?

[Monarda]

//Yes ?

[Kilgamayan]

//Also, if possible, can I get some clarification on what is meant by being "more cautious with your actions concerning how the other players would feel about them"? Should I just not do anything that has any chance of offending someone, or what?

[Evil_Nazgul0616]

//I was just wondering where you were. You've been quiet for a while.

[Neovereign]

//Also, if possible, can I get some clarification on what is meant by being "more cautious with your actions concerning how the other players would feel about them"? Should I just not do anything that has any chance of offending someone, or what?

//If you're planning to do something that the others might not agree with. Preferably ask if it's alright to do "so and so" if you think it'll have a big impact. Like touching the moon with Miko, or

> "The super big purple lady won't lend me her bigness! She won't even trade it to me! But she said you could help with that!"

convincing Sanae to do the thing that started all of this power gain.

Whatever Dais are watching the fight:

> What hit Indiana this time?

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MyonBug, Myon:

> Exert our will harder.

Dream Ghost Wisp Prismrivers:

> Try harder as well.

> You note that a laser was under you as you were frozen, while Mary travelled to your behind.

> You try harder to get in, aiding the other and managing to get her in.
> Where did they even come from? Youmu pauses a bit as she swallows the second Prismriver.
>_

[Kilgamayan]

//Wow. That's crazy. I'd much rather just bow out of the game.

[Monarda]

//I just needed to have a break too, so i went for a bote marathon (World of Warships).

[Evil_Nazgul0616]

//Wow. That's crazy. I'd much rather just bow out of the game.

//See what I mean when I say Kilga would rather pursue his own actions than compromise?

//I am perfectly fine with the current compromise.

//But... I guess since we don't want anyone to think they have to leave, we're back to the drawing board.

//Hey raf, do you have any ideas of a middle ground that will somewhat satisfy everybody and make it so nobody feels they have to leave?

[Kilgamayan]

//How is that a compromise? Who is giving up anything other than me?

[Evil_Nazgul0616]

//How is that a compromise? Who is giving up anything other than me?

//Well I'd be forced to give you more leeway... As much as I don't like the big stuff that'll potentially backfire on us... Not to mention that a lot of it is morally wrong and disturbing to a great number of people including the parser himself.

//Though, Raf has freedom, since he was never covered under the compromise.

[Monarda]

//How about:

Say we have a conflict on a certain action, and we gotta solve it, what if we make a list about the pros and cons such action would cause ? If the Pros have a significant outweight over the cons, parse it. If the cons have a significant outweight over the pros, drop it. If it is on a practical tie, keep the core of the action but modify parts of it so that it gets rid of a con or adds another pro, or both.

Like this case just now, it was an example of the third situation, the main con of it was that forcing our will on Youmu to make her accept it could cause some irreversible changes to her, so when Kilga removed the part that created such con, the action was able reach a level of agreement, without sacrificing the core of the action.

[Kilgamayan]

//And how is that going to be be enforced? What's to stop you from, say, acting more offended and appalled than you actually are in any given situation in order to stop an action I've put forth?

//It is also true that Raf has full control of my actions without ceding anything to me. And then there's the fast that I'm locked out of doing anything of consequence if no one else is around. Plus it's exceedingly humiliating to be the only person forced to ask others for permission before doing anything of consequence.

//Fake edit: What do you mean "the core of the action was not lost"? It absolutely was lost when I had rescind it entirely.

[Monarda]

//Plus it's exceedingly humiliating to be the only person forced to ask others for permission before doing anything of consequence.

//Well what about the actions i post where i ask for an objection from any of you ?

//Fake edit: What do you mean "the core of the action was not lost"? It absolutely was lost when I had rescind it entirely.

//You said that it was meant to be a "prank", a prank wouldn't need to manipulate her thoughts, please explain us what was the *true* intention of that action.

[Kilgamayan]

//You're not forced to do it.

//The point of the will exertion was to improve the quality of the dream by making the enjoyment more permanent.

[Kilgamayan]

//With regards to possible alternate compromises, I'll put forth what I alluded to earlier: Any time there's a disagreement of any weight about parsing or not parsing an action, the GM decides if the action is okay it not okay, and then parses it or doesn't parse it, and the game goes on. No complaining or arguments from the side that was ruled against. This is easily enforceable, resolves arguments quickly, and doesn't favor any player or group of players.

[Monarda]

//If you wanted to improve the quality of the dream, then you would have respected Youmu's wishes to not have that happen to her, and allowed her to eat something like... i dunno... ACTUAL food ? That would have given her the same kind of pleasure.

//And that would be giving more work to the parser, along with the always existing bias factor that would affect the choice.

[Kilgamayan]

//It's no extra work for the parser than reading 20 posts of arguing. And what bias factor is present?

[Monarda]

//He doesn't have to read it if it's not directed to him.

//Also a bias by the parsers' side of course, no one in earth is completely impartial, and because of that he might be inclined to give more weight to the opinion of one of us, not saying he will necessarily, just that ir could happen.

[Kilgamayan]

//If nothing else, it would be irresponsible for a GM to not read arguing in their own game for the sake of forum rule enforcement.

//And of course the GM will have their own thoughts and opinions. Here's the thing, though: they're the GM. This is the GM's game. Not mine, not yours, not any players', the GM's. The GM is, by definition, the rule maker, and the players are expected to follow the rules. Any "power" over the rules owned by the players is granted to them by the GM, and can be revoked by the GM at any time for any reason, because the GM is in charge. This is such a core concept of gaming that I have no idea why it needs to be explained.

[Monarda]

//First, please don't ignore the question about the dream issue i pointed out.

//Second, although yes, it's the GM's game and he wills on the rules, the game however is aimed to please the players, of nothing matters the GM having the last word if the game starts to be unpleasant to a sifnificant part or even whole part of the playerbase and people start to leave, that's why GM's don't or refrain from interfering (at least not directly) on the players' ideas, actions and thoughts.

[Kilgamayan]

//Whoops, missed that. It was important to keep a theme with Youmu's recent interests.

//And yes, I'm fully aware players can leave based on the GM's decisions. That's happened twice in the last 24 hours in this game! At the same time, the players have no game without the GM, and the GM puts a LOT more effort into the game than the players do. As such, the GM deserves the most respect, and should have the final decision on all rulings. To deny the GM this is very disrespectful. So I don't see any problem whatsoever with a GM's personal leanings being a factor in decision-making - on the contrary, since the GM is putting the most effort into the game, their personal leanings should be a substantial factor in the decision-making. Why should a GM do things that aren't what they want to do and take the fun away from their own game?

//Do you know what I'm hearing when someone says "the GM should have final say on parsing decisions because they can be biased"? I'm hearing "I can't handle it if the GM rules against me". Which would indeed seem to be the case, with how much disrespect was shown to the original decision by multiple parties, compared to how I immediately accepted that my action was not allowed when I was told it was not allowed. I'm also suddenly not hearing "the GM is biased" anymore either since the reversal of the decision. Are you really concerned with this (fictitious) bias? Or are you only concerned with getting your way and only resorting to calling 'bias' when rulings on commands may/do go against you?

[Monarda]

//Fair enough, although you should have still respected her wishes, maybe suggesting another thing to try on the dream that she would be fine with.

//There, both arguments presented, questions answered and minds satisfied, and i never said the bias was only against me, it's just that bias in general can suck very badly when the own creator is the one with it, either way, i know that all the urgent issues were dealt with, and no other viable compromise ideas have come to light yet, so we should just let the game resume i guess ?

//And yes, you have a point of course, at least on this topic.

[Neovereign]

//I'd like for the game to continue. Also, if me trying to let everyone have their fun and parsing actions is biased, then there's either something wrong with the person's actions, or the others just hate to consider them if it's happened enough to be considered biased.
There's been more arguments than I would've liked to see in this game. Would everyone please go about playing normally and have fun? Please?

[Evil_Nazgul0616]

//I agree that this game has had way to many arguments... So much that it should be renamed Argument Quest *shot*

[Tashi]

So much that it should be renamed Argument Quest *shot*

//*Daiyousei Argument Quest - Greater Argue.
Hello, a bystander passing by  :V

[Kilgamayan]

//I have no problem stopping my half of the arguing. However, if it is confirmed that this system is to stay in place, then I will be bowing out of the game entirely, as stated before. (I still hold that this is a perfectly fair compromise.)

//I won't hold it against you if you say it is to stay in place in the interest of making what you feel is the fairest and best decision for your game, I'm just letting you know.

[Neovereign]

/The other two of you. Are you alright with Kilga's compromise?

[Kilgamayan]

//One other thing I perhaps should have mentioned before, no matter what we all decide: I believe any GM is well within their rights to veto disputed actions (or any actions, really) that make them personally uncomfortable. I realize that we can't really undo anything that happened in the past in this game, but it is something to keep in mind for the future, particularly if the compromise I proposed is generally approved.

[Monarda]

//Well i think i can trust Miniking with that.

[Evil_Nazgul0616]

//Let's try it and see if it works out.