Author Topic: FTL: Faster Then Light: Advanced Mafia (Sector 4, Scrapping Cycle) (Read 115306 times)

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #750 on:** July 23, 2015, 02:51:11 PM »

Serela is fine. If you're talking about scum Shadoweh then first you have to explain Conq's cop claim - which I could abide by because I'm dubious of Conq's day 1.

DNAbc · « **Reply #751 on:** July 23, 2015, 02:57:32 PM »

I think I just got stuff jumbled up/disorganized because phone shenanigans.

The point to be made here is that Dan is essentially soft cc'ing shadoweh, given they are both claiming protective roles and whatnot, and I personally don't really believe both protective roles to exist in the same setup where theres already a vig, a redirector and 2 investigative roles. But I see that Shadoweh as scum is basically impossible because if that is the case Dan could've cc'd early but instead he held off and did nothing. Shadoweh is also backed by a Conq cop confirm, but techincally, like Dan, haven't saved anyone from death yet, so that places them both in -unconfirmed claims- territory. My haphazard wall was more of a summation of what the claims imply and a preemptive point made that I will not lynch Shadoweh, because I do remember a wagon being launched against Shadoweh, but if a wagon on my listed candidates become possible, I will lean towards lynching them in the stated order Sky P>Dorian>Dan>Serela..

Also, Serelas goof up does't seem to come from scum, so I adjusted my lynch order accordingly, I will be damn impressed if thats a scum tatic though.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #752 on:** July 23, 2015, 02:59:05 PM »

I'm back and reviewing day 2. Just as a reminder, I was not allowed to post all of day 2.
About my claim: my main ability is supposed to be bullet proof vest maker, which is why I was suspiciois of shadowehs claim. However the ability requires missiles to function (the ability is called "heal bomb" ) and I have zero missiles.

Other thoughts are that DNAs response to me suggesting that the conversation with Shalako was fakes seemed a bit extreme, I merely said DNA reaction seemed genuine and that he wa in the right. It doesn't town clear him. Now reviewing day 2.

DNAbc · « **Reply #753 on:** July 23, 2015, 02:59:28 PM »

Oh great, the man is here.

##Unvote
##Vote Sky P

Preemptive apology if you are really busy, but wheres the day 2 read you promised?

Patorikku · « **Reply #754 on:** July 23, 2015, 03:00:01 PM »

At the moment, I feel safest going against my biggest scumread, which atm is Dorian. I would understand ignoring an uncontested roleclaim on D2 - or at least reading beyond that - but being the only claimed protective role by D3, trying to get a Shadoweh lynch feels like a really weird push to make. By this point, it seems more scummy than anything. In fact, for one reason or another, Dorian has been awful quiet, particularly since Conq claimed cop and gave an inno report for Shadoweh.

For me, any other possible lynch (which seems to narrow down to Sky, Serela and Dan atm) is low priority. My read on Dan is still leaning to scum, especially since he's being secretive about his roleclaim, but I've been more focused on interactions throughout N2 and D3, and everyone but DNA and I feel he's town!Dan right now, so that's not even a read I want to trust anymore. Serela has the same case as far as roleclaim, but he makes a strong case as to why such a fishy claim in his position wouldn't be advantageous for scum, or at least why my point of the claim being fishy isn't so strong. I'm not 100% convinced he's town, but if either he or Dan are telling the truth, I'll pass on lynching them to see what comes of it. Besides, I might still be at odds and ends over the rolespec N2 and where we both stand on it, and that's probably more the two of us having differing opinions in general. That really only leaves Sky, and I want to reread a few cases before I put down a clear read, but for now, I'm sheeping DNA on him likely being scum.

Cut BY 12 JESUS CHRIST GIMME A SEC TO READ ALL DAT

DNAbc · « **Reply #755 on:** July 23, 2015, 03:00:24 PM »

oh shit sky p did you claim flavor

Serela · « **Reply #756 on:** July 23, 2015, 03:05:00 PM »

SkyP only has internet when he's on a train, and I think also is using a phone? Which would mean I'm not sure he can just open all the pages at once for later.

and yeah claiming flavor is very taboo in this game *coughs*

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #757 on:** July 23, 2015, 03:16:31 PM »

I'm on an iPhone so I can't read and post. Perhaps DNA can explain how Serela goofed? And why he is voting me the moment I hinted I'm suspiciois of him? It seems like you have walls of analysis pointing elsewhere so I'm suspiciois of your motivation here.

I thought claiming ship name was taboo. Oh well. If I die I die. I'm pretty busy and was only supposed to advise Bard, not actually play.

DNAbc · « **Reply #758 on:** July 23, 2015, 03:18:48 PM »

Serela thought Shadoweh didn't claim a unique clause in her role, which Shadoweh did actually claim.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #759 on:** July 23, 2015, 03:21:45 PM »

Today I woke up at five am to catch a train from Hiroshima to Himeji. I arrived at 11:39 and took my friends to their hotel. I then went to lunch until 2 and then helped my friends send all their souvenirs back home until 4. Then I slept until seven and had dinner with my friends, then went to my old house to pick up some garbage with my friends, then went shopping with my friends, then came home and put my wife to bed at midnight and started here. If you look back and see how many of those things are with "our friends" and not "my wife" and consider that "our friends" are really my mother in laws friends, you can see his this honeymoon is going and why I don't really care too much about the game. But hey I am devoting every scrap of my train time and its now after midnight so I hope that answers your question DNA.

Serela · « **Reply #760 on:** July 23, 2015, 03:24:56 PM »

DNA thinks you're suspicious because you haven't caught up on the game yet, but it's awkward because it's difficult for you to do so :V For now just concentrate on catching up imo

DNAbc · « **Reply #761 on:** July 23, 2015, 03:28:41 PM »

╯?□?）╯︵ ┻━┻
Okay, fine. I know I am the only one needlessly addicted to mafia.

I quit for the night, sympathies to your meatworld burdens sky pal.

##Unvote
I will get more sleep and reread everything tomorrow for the millionth time. 'Xcuse me.

Serela · « **Reply #762 on:** July 23, 2015, 03:38:34 PM »

Even past the fact that my PoE and analysis already made it almost definitely true (from my point of view where I am definitely town) one of Dan or Sky is most certainly not town with all these protective role claims. Keep in mind with Jailer that town already had a redirector that could screw up scum's night actions, and that skypal can also potentially give out bulletproof vests. Since Shadoweh's role is weaker than I thought, I could see her coexisting with one of these ones. But both?

Serela · « **Reply #763 on:** July 23, 2015, 03:49:52 PM »

(I am okay with saying things like this since I already heavily analyzed all the stuff before moving onto role shens, normally I'd go "BLEH" at doing role stuff this heavily even if I totally wouldn't stop)

Dorian White · « **Reply #764 on:** July 23, 2015, 03:50:32 PM »

Oh well, with Conqueror's clear on Shadoweh is my case on her out of the window but it also means one less to worry about.

##Unvote
##Vote: Sky Paladin

Currently based on process of elimination but I'll look into Sky, as soon as I get this out, to see if I can find a more solid base for my vote.

And to finally finish my claim, my least shoot is jailer, funny isn't it?
I also recall a few questions pointed at me, I'll try to come to it when I'm done with Sky.

Now off to read.

Serela · « **Reply #765 on:** July 23, 2015, 03:52:39 PM »

another jailer shot

I feel bad about lynching SkyPal in this situation but seriously, his role is getting harder and harder to justify against the others. XD Of course, his role would be okay if Dorian/Dan are both scum, which admittedly would almost definitely be the case if he's town, so

so

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Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #766 on:** July 23, 2015, 04:03:52 PM »

Hey i found out how to read and post! brilliant
Dans 331 against Shalako looks great but no vote + possible handholding "I want a list of reads ASAP"
Conq not scum reading Shalako in response.
DNA devotes an entire post 341 to say why Bard is town. Interesting that he read Sky as scum and the key difference is that I said DNA might have faked his argument ^_~
Dorian gets town vibes from Shalako in 343.
DNA 345 something something idol master really?
DNA 372 why Bard is town

DNA 395 is the post I want to look at greater detail when I get up and had some sleep. I skipped over this post earlier because *walls* and it was later content that I beleived in. But here is where DNA states his case and votes so if there's deception it will be in here.

I really like Serelas 405 case expansion on Shadoweh. It shows she is not just making general statements but is actually picking out specifics to quantify her position.
Shadoweh claims doc in 427 which contradicts her bodyguard claim (I guess? I dunno? But cop clear so

w.e)
Up to end of page 17. 1 am I'm too tired.

Current thoughts:
Dan/Conq both pushed Shalako but didn't vote til late (as in near phase end, Conq was actually the second wagon vote though)
Serela looks better from day 2. Dorian looks worse - there's nothing really bad, just...he doesn't feel connected or invested somehow. Not making a splash or being memorable.
I raised the DNa town!Bard because I wanted to highlight to DNA that he's being reactive not critical here. I don't necessarily think he is scum for it - I do find his energy and desire to push town around feels like it could be scum agenda but I want to read that case in detail first.
I'm pseudo clearing Shadiweh until we get a flip on Conq. Kathy is also clear in my book becuase I can't see scum wasting a shot on their buddy.
I'm dubious of Conq's claim because 1 shot cop seems pretty weak given the current flips and claims on the table.
Ill sleep on it.
The next major window for play will be in about 20 hours but I will check the thread when I can.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #767 on:** July 23, 2015, 04:11:23 PM »

I dunno, it seems like a lot of roles are overlapping. I'm specifically told that I am not the only one with an ammo shortage but if nobody is going to speak up and vouch for me then it must be scum missing out. And therefore you probably need to see my flip to know what I know.

Dorian White · « **Reply #768 on:** July 23, 2015, 04:27:28 PM »

@Sky as long as you are still around, could you explain this jump?

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on July 22, 2015, 10:25:11 PM

I think Dans handwave townclear on Dorian is extremely forced. All he has established is that yes, he was redirected by SB. This is not alignment indicative and with a flipped tracker/claimed cop/claimed doc I doubt Dorians last ability is auto town.
This seems to be an uncharacteristically poor announcement coming from Dan.
##target Dan while I review day 2.

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on July 23, 2015, 01:00:02 AM

...
Other that thank generally agree with Dan's assessment of Dorian. This doesn't mean I think either of them are conf town, but I'm more willing to accept the statement came from town!Dan.
...

Cause I can't follow this turn around.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #769 on:** July 23, 2015, 04:58:20 PM »

When I read that Dan was town clearing you because you were "surprised" that it wasn't Mirren in the QT, that looked to me to be a too-easy clear. The type that scum throw out to fake content and make friends.
I asked Dan to clarify, which he did. I then reviewed day 1 and found that I generally agreed with his day 1 assessment of you, although ill be interested to see his day 2 assessment.

Dorian White · « **Reply #770 on:** July 23, 2015, 08:03:08 PM »

Well, I'm not sure if it was mentioned before but it was Dan greeting me in the QT with a town read on me before I even had time to be surprised. Makes you wonder what he saw that everyone else was missing? But it isn't the right time to get paranoid, so I'll sleep about it

And now to my read on Sky, I mostly focus on flaws and contradictions in my suspects opinions which proved itself difficult here since Sky is still in the process of forming opinion.
But I can say that his first post strikes me as opportunistic, he distanced from his own slot by disagreeing with Bards most controversial point and spend a good part of the post to say how he would have totally voted Shalako if he would have been able to do so.
Sure I can't blame him for his absence but that's quite easy to say.
I also looked into bards post again, vote park on Serela, Dormio case for disliking a post that I found actually good myself and the ?effort equals Town? clear. I admit that my timing point was likely biased but to sit all day on a Serela vote all day just to clear him, and Shalako, for effort while at the same time distancing from their content was scummy back then and I still think that's scummy.

That has to do for now, cause it's getting late and I'm in desperate need of sleep. Sorry but the questions have to wait till tomorrow.^^;

Serela · « **Reply #771 on:** July 23, 2015, 08:52:51 PM »

I don't think you can really blame Sky for not having the same opinion as Bard :V That's just silly

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #772 on:** July 23, 2015, 11:24:08 PM »

Battlemap Update 2
Skypal (4): ActionDan, Conq, Dorian, Modvote (L-1)
ActionDan (3): Serela, Skypal, Patorikku (L-2)
Out of Combat: Shadoweh, Darkninja

It takes 5 ships targeting another one to destroy it.
There are 36.5 Hours left in the Combat Cycle[/b]

This one is accurate, I think...

DNAbc · « **Reply #773 on:** July 24, 2015, 01:35:03 AM »

Sky p is scum rb, given he basically implied to have roleblocked raitaki before, and is now claiming to have a 0 shot vest to prevent role overlapping.

By exclusion, if sky p flip scum, Dan should be innocent.

Dorian is likely hard bussing sky p, or its Serela who's been futzing with us all along. Eother way we get enough Lynches to lybch them both

DNAbc · « **Reply #774 on:** July 24, 2015, 01:36:22 AM »

Or I sppode sky p could br busding Dan, but I will need their claim tmr to decide

Serela · « **Reply #775 on:** July 24, 2015, 01:38:16 AM »

imply? didn't he outright claim targetting raitaki

DNAbc · « **Reply #776 on:** July 24, 2015, 01:59:53 AM »

That too, but my memory is hazy over that part and I don't want to look Serela

DNAbc · « **Reply #777 on:** July 24, 2015, 02:00:15 AM »

So I used a weaker word

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #778 on:** July 24, 2015, 02:03:25 AM »

Because at some point I do make an effort of actually reading my games, I've adjusted the votecount to reflect recent actions.

Serela · « **Reply #779 on:** July 24, 2015, 02:06:54 AM »

SUDDEN URGE TO RANDOMLY HAMMER SKYPALADIN HNNNNGGGG

that'd be retarded though because if he flipped town I'd be turbolynched and we'd lose so yeah no I'll be a responsible person :C