Author Topic: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Game Over (Read 48045 times)

O4rfish · « **Reply #570 on:** April 20, 2015, 06:20:43 AM »

I think you could judge kill priority based on two angles: the general townness other players view them as, and how effective they are at lynching scum (meaning Scum would have to get rid of them or get lynched).

Actual Kills:
Vhaltz - Seems like Mitsuki was sort of medium on Townness. I haven't played a game with Vhaltz or watched a game he played in, so I don't really have a basis to judge how good a kill on defense this was.
Bard - high for townness, high for defense. I personally have a high opinion on how well Bard can scumhunt, and it would seem that opinion may have also been held by Scum.
SB - According to SB himself, he was obvtown, but I think the number of players who saw him as Town was about average. Very active in late phase organizing the lynches, so high for defense if Scum wants to no-lynch.

NNR: high priority according to obvtownness, but he is only attacking one player so for defense it would depend on whether that player is Scum (which he isn't).
Skypal: high for townness. Moderate to low for defense.
Shadoweh: moderate to low for townness, but pretty low for defense.
Zak: Low for townness (obviously!), low for defense.
Dormio: Fairly low for townness. For defense - I don't really know. When's the last time Dormio survived to the endgame?
Serela: Moderate for townness, really low for defense. Pretty sure Scum don't fear Serela lynching them.
Oarfish: Moderate to low for townness. I can't really speak to my own Scumhunting ability, and I imagine that's true for everybody.
Elieson: Low for townness. Hasn't been influential in the lynches, so probably low for defense.
Refa: Pretty high for Townness at this point.
Rawr: was in fact scum.
BT: Low for Townness, and low for influence even though his scumhunting ability is usually good.

O4rfish · « **Reply #571 on:** April 20, 2015, 07:54:30 AM »

NNR: Let's say someone forced you to entertain the possibility that Oarfish is Town. Who are your picks for Rawr's 2 scumbuddies?
BT: same question, assuming you even read this post.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #572 on:** April 20, 2015, 08:23:37 AM »

Quote from: O4rfish on April 20, 2015, 07:54:30 AM

NNR: Let's say someone forced you to entertain the possibility that Oarfish is Town. Who are your picks for Rawr's 2 scumbuddies?
BT: same question, assuming you even read this post.

My immediate gut thought is Serela and one of Elieson/Shadoweh. From rereading Shadoweh and Elieson, though, my money is going down on Shadoweh.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #573 on:** April 20, 2015, 08:26:03 AM »

Yeah the interactions between them kinda scream scumbuddies and it would be actually really hard to ignore if Oarfish happened to not exist in the game.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #574 on:** April 20, 2015, 08:27:58 AM »

Like, I'm tempted to run a Surprise Gut Lynch on Serela right now just to see what happens.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #575 on:** April 20, 2015, 08:31:49 AM »

Also Oarfish based on your recent post have you finally accepted me as NekoRex your lord and obvtown, righteous defender of all that is good and truthy?

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #576 on:** April 20, 2015, 08:33:00 AM »

because that seems like a weird 180 from yesterday

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #577 on:** April 20, 2015, 08:42:08 AM »

To be clear, though, we're not lynching BT today, because BT probably isn't scum

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #578 on:** April 20, 2015, 08:45:54 AM »

If we're going to throw out insane bullshit here, I'm just going to point out that maybe I haven't been nightkilled yet because I'm tunneling Oarfish endlessly and that's exactly what scum wants me to be doing if Oarfish is town.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #579 on:** April 20, 2015, 08:46:32 AM »

And with that I'm going to bed because it's nearly 5 AM and I wasted 2 hours on random shit again instead of sleeping like I should be.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #580 on:** April 20, 2015, 08:49:07 AM »

(I lied)

Can someone make me a case that Oarfish isn't scum and is just utterly clueless town that for the life of him is completely unable to make a decent scum case on anyone? Is that anywhere in his meta?

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #581 on:** April 20, 2015, 08:50:47 AM »

#JustLateNightMafiaThings

Seriously am going to check back in the morning though

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #582 on:** April 20, 2015, 08:56:31 AM »

Does Bard seriously try and get me lynched every game?

Like, I'm reading back and I swear it happens every single fucking time.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #583 on:** April 20, 2015, 09:03:34 AM »

Apparently the meta of Bard is that either he thinks I'm obvtown or irredeemable scum and there is no middle ground whatsoever

I'm glad I have cleared that up for myself.

Eventually I will go to bed never

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #584 on:** April 20, 2015, 09:10:48 AM »

Actually I forgot I am thinking about Schezo, not bard.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #585 on:** April 20, 2015, 09:11:17 AM »

*Schezo tries to get me lynched every game, I mean

O4rfish · « **Reply #586 on:** April 20, 2015, 11:51:59 AM »

No, the question had a different purpose. Your response doesn't quite fit into either of the two categories I was anticipating, so it doesn't help me decide.

Elieson · « **Reply #587 on:** April 20, 2015, 05:02:04 PM »

I feel like I've fallen behind but when 80% of the posts are SpamSpamRex's posts I suddenly don't feel so bad. I feel like the game's kinda at a standstill SkyPaladin how much longer will it take before you answer your own question with a vote?

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #588 on:** April 20, 2015, 06:14:34 PM »

Elieson · « **Reply #589 on:** April 20, 2015, 07:09:19 PM »

I mean that in the most honest way possible and it's ok you haven't outspammed Manix yet

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #590 on:** April 20, 2015, 10:23:16 PM »

About an hour, I think.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #591 on:** April 20, 2015, 10:58:07 PM »

nah, we still have a day

Shadoweh · « **Reply #592 on:** April 20, 2015, 11:10:27 PM »

Quote from: BT on April 19, 2015, 09:19:22 PM

I'll throw around some questions too. Shadoweh, are you repeating the droopy dragon rhetoric because of my one post with Mafia Depression? I know I've been lurking but do you have an opinion on my play besides it lurks and it droops? The other thing that looks interesting is that Elie / Refa have both posted a bunch so I wonder if they have some sort of meta handle on each other at this point? Just a quick calm summary of their play vs what you'd expect from a town / scum slot.

I can't have just wanted to make you post? If it makes you feel better I thought the immediate follow of votes on you looked horrible. <_<
Do you not know who Droopy Dog is? Your only post yesterday oozed with the feeling you don't want to be here. I suspect you would be apathetic as either alignment but a scum lynch really should cheer you up a little if you're winning as your last game as town, you know? I just want you to get involved. You're the only MotK native left I would call strong and you're not giving me anything to bounce off of. Do you not think Serela's vote on you was worse then Oarfish's?

Neko when was the last time you were nightkilled? >.> On the note of nightkills, I'm asking about Refa because all three nightkills are cross-SF kills so the only person left who knows him and Elie is each other. It's possibly coincidencal (I would have nightkilled the same people) and his big fat posts make me feel like I'm being paranoid.

Usually I use the summary below to affect what I post but right now it's full of Neko's posts so I'm going to post this and look back. <_<

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #593 on:** April 20, 2015, 11:23:31 PM »

Hrmmgblargh. Made it to my break. OK let's dance!

So the reason I asked *those players* for a list is because I felt that the night kills weren't related to current game state, but instead game meta; look at these deaths:
Night 1 - Mitsuki/Vhaltz
Night 2 - Bard
Night 3 - SB.

Look at the player rankings from Neko/Serela/Oarfish;
NNR:
Bardiche - dead
SB - dead
BT
Vhaltz - dead
Dormio Ergo Sum - dead

Selera:
BT/Bard/SB (ok/dead/dead)
Shadoweh/Dormio (ok/dead)
*conspicious absence of Mitsuki*

Oarfish
I can't actually work out his list priority.

Overall:
Many of the players currently in the game have never played with Vhaltz, but it seems we have somebody picking kills based on meta, because why SB. So we're looking for a long time player of the game -> Shadoweh or BT.

Since I'm looking for players who are aware that the deaths were based on meta, I'm looking for a player who tries in some way to obfuscate/edge around this. I generally feel NNR's list is accurate and honest. While I feel Serela is bad for missing a core player in the game, Oarfish didn't properly answer the question.

I'm town reading NNR. I don't think BT is scum despite his low content; and with all three of Serela/Oarfish/Neko all putting BT at a high threat index (note Oarfish put him at low but 'usually' high) I wonder if that's not the basis for the current votes on him.

I am townreading Refa. I'm still out on Eli. Now diving into the thread, brb.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #594 on:** April 20, 2015, 11:53:31 PM »

Day 4.2 - Votals
BT (3) - Shadoweh, Serela, O4rfish
O4rfish (3) - NekoRex, Refa, BT
Shadoweh (1) - Elieson
Not Voting: Sky_Paladin

You have 25 hours and 7 minutes remaining in the day. With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #595 on:** April 20, 2015, 11:59:14 PM »

Sky: Both Elie and Refa have played with them on Serene Forest, FYI. If that affects whatever it is you're doing.

Serela I'm starting to look at BT's wagon as 'is Serela bussing or not bussing?' You called NNR and Sky P town and didn't want to vote BT because:

Quote from: Selery on April 19, 2015, 03:45:53 AM

Lynching NNR or SkyPal is a ridiculous proposition in the first place, you don't go around lynching townies just so they can get a shot. ;_; And most people support that NNR is town? Oh wait. SB died. I'm running out.

Maybe I should vote Ellie over BT because I can better trust in BT's future actions even if they-are- coming from scum? I'd probably be lynching Ellie after BT anyway.

Does Elie seem like a bad player from what you've been seeing here? I would trust him with a vig if he were town. BT is disengaged, I suspect he wouldn't make as good a shot as someone with more time to read. What I'm really wondering is where was your vote yesterday when you were voting Zak for being Zak instead?

Serela · « **Reply #596 on:** April 21, 2015, 12:25:04 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on April 20, 2015, 11:59:14 PM

Does Elie seem like a bad player from what you've been seeing here? BT is disengaged, I suspect he wouldn't make as good a shot as someone with more time to read. What I'm really wondering is where was your vote yesterday when you were voting Zak for being Zak instead?

From Ellie's d2 I came to that conclusion :T I mean it's not that he can't be good since this is a very small frame of reference but the guy sat around doing nothing the whole day voting BT for hammering 5 minutes before deadline.

I'm not entirely sure how to parse the question? I wrote up why Zak looked like bad. His play got lazier each day until on D3 it really just looked like he was trolling people, and looked completely apathetic of game state. Since when is that town zak meta?

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #597 on:** April 21, 2015, 12:26:50 AM »

How would people feel about a Serela lynch? I know Skypal is up for it, but I want to know who else would be.

Serela · « **Reply #598 on:** April 21, 2015, 12:28:38 AM »

You say that BT looks like disengaged town, but disengaged town is what scum would look like if they're playing well but not awesomely, isn't it? The game is a little stagnant anyway so I guess it'd be hard to do more.

Wait, is that supposed to be a point against or towards BT scum, I'm not even sure and I'm the one who just said it. >:T

O4rfish doesn't look like as scummy to me after the last couple days, and I'm not sure I'd trust him with a vig. Oh crap and he might be lynched today. ;_; I forgot who he said he suspects but I remember being on the list, maybe I should reread some of his recent posts.

cut by augh

Serela · « **Reply #599 on:** April 21, 2015, 12:29:27 AM »

You people really think I actively shoved rawr from 0 to turbolynched just for powerbussing? ;_____;