Refa,
remember how well my super duper hours upon hours of tunnel casing worked out for me in Code Geass? I hard-tunneled two town and you, the town-sided ITP. Forgive me for changing up my methods after dropping what was probably my most effort-filled game since FE12, but understand that your frustration with my meta isn't going to net you an accurate scumread/townread. With as much as eclipse and Manix and others go on about how meta is a bad thing, are you holding your vote on me because you're scumreading me or because I'm frustrating you again?
I think we're playing another Everyone-is-mafia-mafia then 
That's uh...actually a reasonable explanation, I hate you. Non sequitur, but you do mean FE11 Mafia, right? Eclipse and Manix and others are dumb because meta is a helpful way to read the intent of people who aren't going by the textbook scumtells (sometimes it's misapplied yes, but to disregard it entirely is like throwing out the baby with the bathwater) and people generally can't easily change their meta on the drop of the hat. I'm believing what you're saying here despite that because I've pretty much had to completely reevaluate my own play (do you remember Inception, fuck Inception), so I can get where you're coming from.
If that's the case, I've rolled the worst EiMM role ever, even worse than Even Night Vigilante.
I thought Rawr's behavior was townie. I couldn't find scum motivation in his actions, and I wasn't going to sheep the obvious "He's so bloody inactive" or borrow other people's cases. Based on my own interpretation of his play, I thought he was acting in a way that scum would never act as. Kinda like Psych
It's not indicative of alignment either way, sadly. However, that's all he did. Had he deathtunneled and done some other things of value, there would be more weight in his words.
I feel like he came up with justification later on. Put down a vote without expecting to get called out for it, then had to produce something to back up the vote he locked himself on to. The dude went on forever with piles and piles of logic and reasoning. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU GO FROM "eh I'll vote X i guess" to "I voted him for reasons 1, 2, 3, 4, 4a-4b-4c and 5". You bring SOMETHING up early on, or state that you have legit reasons and then bring them up. Of course I read his justifications, and they feel like desperate grasping for straws at every little possible thing that could be possible to grasp at
His BT vote was based on O4rfish's case, and he then suddenly goes to scumread O4rfish completely out of the blue. It's https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18246.msg1176397.html#msg1176397 mostly.
I'm still not seeing what you found so townie about Dr. Rawr. If you mean the lack of scum intent, then I can agree because my issues were moreso with his play (another reason I was kind of iffy on that lynch overall). But...why does that make him town?
I...still can't see town deathtunneling on Day 1, mreh (and him having other content would mean that he wasn't deathtunneling by like, definition, so that doesn't really disprove my point). Regardless, this seems like a difference in opinions over something that's actually telling to your alignment, so dropping it. Fair enough on Zak's retroactive justification, for whatever reason I wasn't interpreting it that way at the time. I'd have voted Zak for that myself, actually. The last part isn't scummy, though. Town can, will, and has in the past scumread two people who can't be scum with each other (even if I don't agree with it myself), so uh...yeah.
The first two points are reflections on eachother. Mid-phase, my vote is there to apply pressure while I collect my thoughts. End-phase, my vote is off while I briefly try to collect my thoughts.
I got tired of seeing nobody else finding SkyPaladin scummy and I'm not going to do all of the work myself when if people don't agree with me early on, all they'll get is me repeating myself repeating myself repeating myself
-Just kinda feel like you're locked in place on your two current scumreads and you've got your head in the sand about other players
-Yea, srslybruh. I think it's extremely weird that you put "Dr Rawr" in there specifically. Don't care if it's being overly semantics-based, it's along the same premise of why I found SkyPaladin scummy in the first chunk of the game. Town tend to throw out reads and don't bother with specifics quite as often while scum are pretty much obligated to force their reads and positions on other players. This line reads forced, ergo, scummy.
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though I don't follow how your Nullread->Nullread and my Nullread->Townread are hypocritical of eachother?
-Fair enough on the Dormio unvote, but you still haven't explained why you left your vote on Oarfish despite not seeing what he did as scummy. Explain?
-Makes sense, I suppose.
-Not really? I've been evaluating other peoples' cases and determining how sheepable they are. I get that usually I change my opinion a lot more as town, but I just felt confident about my opinions and prior flips didn't really do much to sway them either way (in retrospect, there might have been some confirmation bias but w/e).
-Uh...what? I don't follow.
-Sorry, that was probably way too strong for a forum game about fictionally lynching people. I just have feelings and I have to express them with the word fuck, OK? =( It's hypocritical because you should have understood where I was coming from. Maybe hypocritical is the wrong word here though, English sucks (much like mafia).
I've come to a decisive conclusion regarding you, and that's that I have no decisive conclusion at all (top tier level scumhunting, send me to the next GoMC). Like you've done things that are similar to your town meta, but you've also done things that I can't see you doing as town, and there's me being an idiot and getting frustrated, and it's all just one big huge mess. I'm...going to stop casing you until another scum flip (I KNOW it's not optimal play to ignore a potential scum, but in this case it's far better for the game state if I do so rather than continuously walling at Elieson and demotivating everyone else in the process...because fuck reading that shit) because everyone seems to have some sort of impression of you (a lot of them are scumreads, which is making me uncomfortable because I figure someone would have defended scum!you today considering town has a shot), which means that hopefully the associative reads will be the key to reading you properly.
Refa:The quickhammer was bad but nowhere near as scummy as you seem to be making it out to be. SB wasn't really an existent scumread of anyone and there actually was quite little danger of Ellie being lynched over Zak if SB voting Ellie didn't actually want Ellie lynched. In fact, SB desiring Zak over Ellie would make it practically impossible to lynch Ellie. There'd be no reason for scum to tactically quickhammer; some risk, but basically no logical gain?
I didn't say it was super scummy, just that it made me doubt my townread on him (which in turn, made me take another look at his posts). Of course he'd have something to gain, he'd be basically protecting his scumbuddy (Elieson) from a lynch while gaining little flak (considering how good he is, he can make obviously scummy plays and get away with refuge in audacity)...at least those were my thoughts. I was basically going to go into today with that mindset (didn't make a case because I figured I'd be the next one to get NKed), so it was pretty...frustrating to see how horribly wrong I was (also what made me decide to reevaluate Elieson, probably wouldn't have even bothered without that flip because I'm good, I swear).
My capacity for 11/11 associative reads aside, I also read through the Zak wagon. BT's vote was good (this is my problem with reading the dude, actually; he makes legitimately good cases that I can agree with, but he never follows up on them enough for me to feel more comfortable townreading him over most of the other players), Oarfish's vote on him was awful (he basically scumread Zak for being lazy which is NOT a scumtell), Serela and NNR's votes seemed more for consolidation than anything else (they had minor issues with the dude, but I feel like they both had stronger scumreads), Elieson was a "not me over me" which is strictly null (and I thought his actual case was fine for the most part), and SB's hammer was bad but he ended up flipping town anyways. Didn't end up reading into his death after all because he might just have been killed for not being an easy person to mislynch over his actual content, and I'm not really sure which one it was.
Would like people to explain their reasoning regarding their BT votes (basically the only reason I'm willing to vote BT at all is because almost every other player reads as townier to me), because it is INCREDIBLY frustrating for people to just say "##Vote: BT" with no explanation whatsoever. Work with me here, how am I supposed understand why he's scummy when basically my only issue from reading his content myself is "eh...other people look better, so I can see him as scum on PoE". If this is a meta read, then say something.
Anyways, voting Oarfish because of my reasoning yesterday (which he has not adequately responded too), and because it's the best place to put my vote. If he's scum, then not only am I the best but I can also safely rule out NNR and Elieson from being scum once and for all (NNR isn't as valuable since the only reason that I'd scumread him is just paranoia, but Elieson being psuedo cleared would be a godsend to me). If he's town, then he can just shoot BT or whatever. Probably could do the reverse as well if Town!BT promises to shoot Oarfish, who is pretty much the only scumread I feel confident on at this point in time. :3
As for who I'd shoot, it'd be either Oarfish or BT (...obviously); Oarfish because he's a scumread of mine and BT mostly because of PoE/townreads casing him (I was townreadng him previously, but everyone else except Elieson reads as townier at this point). Probably wouldn't be comfortable with shooting Elieson at this point unless he pulls a "Hey Refa, did you like my sunglasses?" out of nowhere, but if people take anything else from my reads, it's that he's most likely NOT SCUM with Oarfish (so if I drop dead on one of the following days and Oarfish has flipped scum, then no lyncherino).
##Vote: Oarfish
