Any considerations that maybe Elie is just really bad a playing this game? evidently my reads have been absolutely awful since i thought Dormio was scum and Rawr was town.
If people were scum for being wrong, then this game would have 3 townies and 11 mafia. I'm not even bothered by your Dormio scumread (the issue there is more how despite scumreading him and having ample opportunity to vote him, you did not do so), but you have given no reasonable explanation for why you were townreading Rawr. Yes, I read that post explaining it, but nothing there is strong enough to have Dr. Rawr as one of only two people in your "would not lynch" category.
Let me start with a precursor of I had no opinion of the sparse and unmemorable Zakeri ( whom, on a preliminary glance, hasn't done much of anything ). Upon a closer look at the handful of posts that Zak has made; how the fuck do you bulletlist on this forum, clicking List gives me two why do i have to type out the bbcode for everything here why can't this forum just have WYSIWYG god
-Contributions amount to Day one's deathtunnel on Dormio
-Vote on BT was absolutely terrible but during Day 1 it just looked like what he called it; lazy. To see justification after the fact of the magnitude that was presented just doesn't look right. It's justification, sure, but it's a lot, which makes me wonder how a "lazy vote" could possibly have had such a foundation holding it up
-A townread heavily based on a Day 1 scumread which wasn't really a scumread until Day 2
Analysis: Upper tier scumread, held back only by lack of presence.
OK.
- Why is this scummy? Generally town is more likely to deathtunnel than scum on Day 1, when scum KNOWS they'll look bad when town flips town.
- You're scumreading him because his vote had too much justification? Seriously? What about the actual justification itself?
- Uh...No idea what you mean here. Please explain.
Not a good case. Barely analyzes his posts worth analyzing. Opts to nitpick over very few points which are not scummy. Why have you not analyzed his later posts today?
Your SB/BT (SBT?) townreads are fine, no real issues to speak of there.
Next up, Refa.
=For starters, some responses.
---I unvoted and didn't vote Dormio 9 minutes before phase end because like i've said four times, I didn't want to rush phase end early when people were around discussing things.
---When I have no idea how to read X player, and someone is evidently putting up a decent yet questionable case on X player, I might agree with it (and sheep it) but that doesn't mean I agree with it 100%. Mits had a decent case on O4rfish at the time but I didn't have any more confident reads at the time except SkyPaladin, but I wasn't 100% sold on it and I didn't think that she was either, hence my inquisition
---Why would I ever have a reason not to vote (unless it's like, an unnecessary phase end hammer or something)?
---Yes, I did drop my case on my #1 scumread at the time, because I couldn't get him lynched. People didn't agree with me and were voting elsewhere, making my vote on SkyPaladin neigh useless. I wasn't benefiting anyone by holding a vote where it wouldn't yield any fruit. I already argued my casing, and if the others don't agree with it, then that's their preference. We can't always lynch our #1 scumreads.
And onto thoughts
-I don't feel like Refa's reads are solid. Like, they have continuity, but they feel more or less locked in place
-Questionable position with Dr Rawr, especially this line:Not currently relevant, but I don't see this as scum v scum interactions. Can't really get any reads off of Dr. Rawr individually though.
which was a direct response to Dr Rwar. It just doesn't read right...I can't put my finger on it exactly
-His ISO of Dr Rawr produced such nonconclusive thoughts that it almost reads like Refa's not sure if he should push who might be his buddy
-Presented a bad position on the O4rfish, granted you only retracted your vote because you thought it'd be silly for him to give up when you admit to never buying the "scumclaim" to begin with
Analysis: Mild null-leaning-town read that's become an unexpected scumread
-Dormio wasn't at L-1 for the longest time, so this is wrong.
-That's fine. What's not fine is when you say "I CAN'T SEE SCUM SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THIS" *keeps my vote on Oarfish regardless*. Why leave your vote in that case?
-...If both of the wagons were town. I already said this. Why would you need to make an empty unvote as town?
-Dropping your #1 scumread isn't scummy, it's the fact that you never deigned to mention this until you were called out for it. Again, why?
-How are my reads locked in place at all?
-Seriously?
-Fuck you, I already explained why I was non conclusive. It's because a player I was null on for the entire game was still null after I ISOed him. This is such a farfetched conclusion, like how would I not know whether or not I'd want to bus him as scum when he was the leading wagon. Probably wouldn't annoy me as much if it wasn't hypocritical as fuck considering your own read on Dr. Rawr.
-How is my position on Oarfish bad.
You're literally just nitpicking several of my points (most of your scumread is based off of like one post) without bothering to analyze the rest of my content (no, reads being locked in place isn't good enough). This is a far cry from when you analyzed literally all of my posts in Code Geass (obviously not expecting you to make a similar level on analysis because of time reasons but yeah). You're either scum or caught up in a serious case of confirmation bias.
In the post where he votes for O4rfish, Refa just sheeps Bard?s case, in addition to ?what he already said about O4rfish?, implying that there was a hefty pile of reasons as to why he thought O4rfish was scum. The Unvote came with the justification of ?Well I never actually thought the things he was doing were that scummy so yea? which goes against his previous stance of conviction pretty hard.
Are you reading my posts? I unvoted Oarfish because I didn't believe his scumslip was a scumslip, and SB's explanation of what he was actually saying didn't seem like something I could see scum saying. That's also why I cut the dude a lot of slack on D2, although some of his posts today are just ugh. Never did I say "wow, my case on Oarfish is now invalid", fuck I even said that I still viewed his earlier posts as scummy.
