Author Topic: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Game Over  (Read 48057 times)

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #480 on: April 16, 2015, 10:57:20 PM »
After what I just made of Zak, and then looking back at BT's post, I really wouldn't want to lynch BT over Zak today, so at least there's that. Hmm.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #481 on: April 16, 2015, 11:05:20 PM »
Yo. Reading up nowish, I suppose.

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #482 on: April 16, 2015, 11:11:36 PM »
I want to sleep aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

SB, from what you said yesterday, NNR and Elie had the same alignment. Your read and case on Elie is "the same as yesterday" so I believe this is a point you need to address.

iirc there was a weird thing with how both seemed to avoid each other despite being LD1 wagons. NNR is pretty obviously not scum now but Eli is still scummy so w/e. I was never that certain on it anyway and reads change so idk why you think this is relevant?

BT's Zak case isn't bad but it feels uninspiring and I townread him for the post so whatever. I also think Shadoweh's recent post is town because I feel like she'd be fighting harder to avoid PoE instead of going with the flow unless she has a buddy in a really strong position who she's confident can carry, but I don't think anyone fits that description atm.

Oarfish having no townreads right now is bizarre considering we had a scumlynch. I'm starting to think he's scum playing the most ridiculous game ever but I need to reread him... and pretty much everyone else.

Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #483 on: April 16, 2015, 11:21:48 PM »
I lied. I'm cooking dinner instead.

Don't worry, Serela, I am getting a bit of flak for my votes. Like BT's response to my vote on him
Or your response to my vote on you.

I think I would honestly go back to BT of you, though. And over Oarfish. for all the circling I talked about yesterday on Oarfish, I don't think I picked up on any actual scumtells on him.

Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #484 on: April 16, 2015, 11:28:40 PM »
Votals
Elieson (3): SB, Serela, Refa
Zakeri (2): BT, O4rfish
O4rfish (1): NekoRex
Refa (1): Elieson
Serela (1): Zakeri
Not Voting (2): Sky Paladin, Shadoweh

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #485 on: April 17, 2015, 03:47:38 AM »
REfa give me like a bullet list or something becaues i thought I spent like 6 lines responding directly to you
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #486 on: April 17, 2015, 08:51:00 AM »
I'm still concerned with Shadoweh.  The 'thing that I was waiting for' was Serela to react to Shadoweh suspicion from day 2, but it didn't happen.  On day 1 when Mitsuki, and then I, suspected Serela she went absolutely frothing mad, yet when Shadoweh said something Serela went out of her way to say Shadoweh's suspicion was justified. 
I imagine that your suspicions were more firm then mine? I was telling Serela to get his act together in the special way we talk and I'd say he responded. Also his response to you just now about bonkers conspiracy was obvtown, ScumSerela would think your conspiracy theories were right.

Skype already supports an Elie lynch. How is there no counterwagon being pushed here? These trash wagons are quite sleepy, I guess the closest thing is Zak being pushed for voting Serela. Which just seems desperate to me (he did a weird thing lynch him!). Zak be serious here. Do you want Elie lynched? If not, do you want BT lynched? That last option might be out of reach this late, but dude you could try a little harder to care about who's being lynched today even if being the counterwagon isn't really making you lynchable in comparison.

Time to read back pages doesn't seem to be happening, so I'm playing why what's on the pages after I replaced in, playin it by ear awh yeah. I'm gonna be the one to posit it, there's support, it's a better lynch then a wagoner(Zak). Put your money where your vote is:

##Vote: BT

You know, if I'm so concerning, you guys could always try to lynch me for lurking. ::) I suspect some of you will actually try tomorrow when there's more day phases to rally against 'isn't posting much' without referencing my posts, which you know, I think have actually been pretty informative of my thought process while I'm reading through this.


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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #487 on: April 17, 2015, 12:25:21 PM »
Zak is very audacious about his barely playing >:T

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #488 on: April 17, 2015, 12:27:23 PM »
Like seriously, his d3 posts just read as polite trolling, and his D2 content was halfway there as well.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #489 on: April 17, 2015, 12:32:30 PM »
Zak's D2.

1.Random(?) BT vote and skips out
2."Oh, I was sheeping O4rfish! Now let me dance around O4rfish whilst I try to sound like I think he's scum, although I'm not really sure but I guess I do probably, also I'm still sitting on BT even though I just deconstructed my own (already sheeped) reason to actually be voting him."
3."Wow, rawr said "I think NNR is town, !Vote NNR"? And look at that wagon. I guess he's scum. Bye!"

Zak's D3.
"lol vote serela just because"
"lol I'm not actually rereading, don't worry serela I actually -am- getting flak! well. a tiny bit. from like two people? hee. By the way I don't actually really have any opinion about o4rfish, even he was the only thing I paid any attention to d2! ~~~~~~"

LYNCH IT LYNCH IT LYNCH IT
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #490 on: April 17, 2015, 12:33:30 PM »
even though he was the only thing I paid attention to d2*
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #491 on: April 17, 2015, 12:36:41 PM »
Whilst I heavily paraphrased and the way it was presented is obviously quite biased, I don't think I really left out much if anything significant (the only notably condensed part was the dancing around o4rfish, since he used logic there, even if never addressing about he basically said he didn't even believe in his vote anymore) and I didn't twist anything too much (Again in the o4rfish part; at the end of the post he says "I guess I'm just trying to convince myself to vote o4rfish." Yeah, that'd be an audacious thing for scum to say, but Zak looks so heavily Refuge in Audacity I don't even.)
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #492 on: April 17, 2015, 12:42:26 PM »
Zak currently has: 0 opinions

Past "I'd consolidate on BT over you Serela", which is funny, because there's almost no drive behind a Serela lynch and Zak had no given reasons when voting me, and most of the reasons other people presented I deconstructed pretty hard. :T It really looks like the vote was purely dropped as to increase the wagon's power as he said, which still doesn't really make any sense. He just discredited his own stuff about O4rfish from d2 in his previous post, and that's the only non-d1 stuff there was from him, not that his d1 is particularly notable.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #493 on: April 17, 2015, 12:49:23 PM »
okay nevermind Zak did say he "liked the serela-ellie pairing" when he voted me but

still

that doesn't change things very much
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #494 on: April 17, 2015, 02:35:26 PM »
I think Bard was a bizarre night kill; scum!me would have shot Refa or basically any of the swing voters from NNR onto Rawr.  So iirc that's Bard, Oarfish...and then Oarfish would have been seen as the designated scum mislynch in lylo, leaving Refa or Bard.  Refa is basically conftown for his unnecessary hammer of scum so him not being hit in an absence of town docs means scum deliberately left him alive to hit Bard.

Considering you and SB are the only ones townreading me (uh, that I'm aware of), scum probably viewed me as a more viable mislynch (and honestly, as a matter of pride I'd prefer not to get townread on because of one action over my overall play anyways) over Bard.  What really confuses me is why scum killed Bard over NNR, because I figured NNR was obvious town after Rawr countervoted him.  The whole situation just makes me paranoid about the possibility of scum/scum wagons on D2, although hopefully that's just me reading way too deeply into scum's night kill choice.

The main issue I have with scum!Eli is that it means Eli attempted to start a new wagon when an NNR lynch seemed most likely, while Rawr was voting NNR.  It would seem to me scum!Eli would have voted NNR instead of Sky.  Not only did Eli not vote, she didn't list NNR as a viable lynch.  That suggests to me that a scum!Eli was more concerned about getting pressure off of Rawr by making the lynch seem inaccessible than addressing the key issue of 'is NNR scummier than Rawr or not?'.  Incidentally, that's the issue I raises when I said "Let's keep NNR over Rawr", and that earned me a vote from Eli. 

Honestly, that's some bad play regardless of alignment (as either, he'd want his vote on an active wagon after the 24 hour mark), so I'm reading it as null.

Oarfish consolidates on Rawr but importantly fails to actually give any reason he thinks Rawr is scum. In fact he seems to subtly try to dissuade the wagon at deadline...or not so subtly.

The fomer isn't scummy; I pretty much did the exact same thing and it was purely for the purposes of consolidation (as you can tell, I was pretty conflicted on the slot as a whole).  It's the latter that worries me more, because it comes across as him basically giving up on his scumbuddy rather than a townie pushing their reads.

We can rely on Refa, SB and Skypal to be active this phase, maybe BT as well, but I would really appreciate it if players such as Zak and Shadoweh got off the couch and posted some good content.

Hahahahaha, me being active this phase.  Good one.

I don't really think I want to try to lynch O4rfish for his case on me, but I think Refa really needs more scrutiny than SB thought he deserved. It'd be really bad of him to just let the Dr.Rawr lynch go unfulfilled after saying he was there and would vote on it, and when Rawr inevitably flipped scum Refa would have been turbolynched.

Yeah, I don't really get why people would townread me for the hammer either haha.  It's like, right conclusion, totally misguided thought process.

Oarfish/NNR tunneling each other is completely obnoxious.  I'm more inclined to believe NNR because not only is he way more likely to be town (considering scum tried to counter wagon him and all), but his case is legit sheepable and he's ACTUALLY VOTING Oarfish (I cannot stress how important this is; Oarfish's posts imply a scumread on NNR and he's continuously discrediting the dude without even voting him.  The disconnect between his words and his actions is real)  Not to mention the dude is literally trying to scumread everyone, which is at the very least bad play (it's more the way he's going about it that bothers me...not sure how to explain it exactly, it's more like his tone, what specifically is coming to mind here is his replies to Serela/BT saying that they weren't posting due to IRL concerns).  The only problem here is that Oarfish/Elieson are most likely not scumbuddies, for reasons I pointed out earlier (go read Elie's LD1, or my post analyzing said content).

So I skimmed Zak's ISO and I'm not really bothered by him?  His posts read as genuine (by this, I mean the few reads posts he does have), and really my only issue with him is his vote on Selery (which came out of nowhere).  Also don't see why he'd make a lazy vote bussing his scumbuddy when he'd get barely any towncred for doing so.  Like maybe I dismissed him too easily earlier on, but he's still not someone I'd be cool with lynching this phase.

After actually analyzing her posts, Shadoweh is probably town; basically I agree with most of her reads and more importantly, I can get the thought process behind them.  Funnily enough, the only part I'm not so sure on is her current vote;  she never really explained her reasoning behind it..  Care to do so now?

Elieson gets his own post for replies, lucky him!

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #495 on: April 17, 2015, 02:58:40 PM »
I'm pretty sure Serela is scum but I've tried lynching Serela so many games now and it never works.  Even when we were scum together, we bussed so hard and I still couldn't kill her.  I'll just wait for the sweet embrace of death and pray that I'm the one that gets to pull the trigger. 

I'm kind of busy so I'm just going to go with day 1/day2 interactions/follow up on Eli/sheep my main town read ol' Refa.  You're town not just for your hammer; I was town reading you for your content and some other stuff and generally being a good player.  The hammer was just a nice finisher that made me go :V when Eli voted you. 

Anyways

##vote Elison

BT is in the same boat for me as Rawr.  That is, yeah I can kind of see why people think he is scummy, but it seems more like an afk lurker lynch.  Of course that netted us scum last time so maybe I'll get to consolidate there later, zee zee.  I'm not really interested in Zak because he's not being interesting.  Shadoweh still has me spooked. 
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #496 on: April 17, 2015, 05:04:20 PM »
I got hit with a case of apathy yesterday ^^;;

I probably won't really be around for deadline but I can at least try and pop in to put down a vote if a hammer is needed?

Anyway reading up.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #497 on: April 17, 2015, 05:05:25 PM »
Also I kinda got stuck not being sure who I'd want to switch to which is probably why I feel apathetic since there's like four people I could vote and I dunno who I like the least.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #498 on: April 17, 2015, 05:15:59 PM »
I realized I don't really want to lynch BT. He hasn't been here much but I feel this actually is a case of RL and not powerlurking. Also his posts don't seem really bad to me.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #499 on: April 17, 2015, 05:25:27 PM »
Yeah I'm gonna switch to Zak. Serela's last post is pretty much on the mark and the fact he's making such ridiculous posts "Counterwagon Serela just because" "My defense is that I'm not scum" don't really fly.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #500 on: April 17, 2015, 05:34:01 PM »
Oh whoops ##Unvote ##Vote: Zak

@Skypal I'm not really seeing Serela Scum this game, though. His posts have been generally not horrible sans that D1 ridiculousness and he drove the Rawr wagon pretty hard. What do you think about Serela in relation to Rawr? Just a scum bus? It didn't really feel like it.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #501 on: April 17, 2015, 05:46:48 PM »
I don't think Oarfish is town by any massive stretch due to reasons I have stated over and over but in this case if feels like there's a lot worse people right now (namely Zak) and his attempts to scumhunt aren't bad, per se, just really wrong for the most part.

Actually rereading him yet again though I feel like it is bad, though.

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I still ultimately lean scum on Oarfish though. Really liked NNR's case. It also occured to me that the parts I remember the best from Oarfish's ISO is him on the defensive, like in this post. I think his cases this game are underwhelming, in general and in contrast to the amount of effort put in. Serela and NNR are pretty much the only two slots I'm comfortable reading as town and it rubs off very badly on his Serela vote and his NNR interactions.
Weak. You aren't saying WHAT you like about NNR's case.  And my cases suck compared to the amount of effort?  Are you trying to say that your tiny amount of effort is a good thing?
BTW, claiming a townread on NNR is funny considering you haven't mentioned him at all this whole game.  Other people you haven't mentioned all game: Rawr, Zak.
I think this is a pretty weak argument against BT. He's basically right about you, your defense hasn't been bad but your reads and cases have been pretty shitty. Your main gripe with BT here he is townreading me (conflicting with your read) and that he's voting Zak despite having no earlier read on him.

What's hilarious about the Zak vote is that not only are YOU YOURSELF voting Zak (why are you voting someone who your scumread is voting??), but you expect BT to have mentioned Zak earlier when Zak has barely posted all game.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #502 on: April 17, 2015, 05:51:35 PM »
Your inherent refusal to accept me as town or even provide a good case on me (not just refuting everything I post) is also concerning Oarfish. Yes, you can be ridiculously paranoid about scum bus wagons, but do you really think Rawr would really make such a weak countervote on me just to try and bus a buddy in a last ditch effort to save himself (which even if he did wasn't going to last)?

You question literally every townread people have on me. Isn't that a little bit insane?
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #503 on: April 17, 2015, 05:54:32 PM »
Yes we can make the counterargument that I'm voting Zak when Oarfish is, but Oarfish's vote is basically just "you made a shitty post that I can't ignore over my better reads" whereas I agree with the actual case on Zak (as well as for the bad Serela vote) and I think Zak is legit more likely to flip scum then Oarfish.

Still really want to vote Oarfish again tho.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #504 on: April 17, 2015, 06:04:07 PM »
Town:
Serela
Skypal
Me

Leaning Town:
Refa
SB (my earlier case on him felt a lot weaker after I wrote it and he doesn't feel scummy?)
BT (mostly boils down to gut, but I haven't really seen a major problem with his posts, albeit they're sparse)

Scum
Shadoweh (don't agree with anything he's posted, votepark on me D2 was bad)
Oarfish
Elieson

Kill It With Fire
Zak

I too have a lot of scumreads but it's just so hard to put down any one because they're all so ostentatiously bad.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #505 on: April 17, 2015, 06:27:34 PM »
After actually analyzing her posts, Shadoweh is probably town; basically I agree with most of her reads and more importantly, I can get the thought process behind them.  Funnily enough, the only part I'm not so sure on is her current vote;  she never really explained her reasoning behind it..  Care to do so now?
Droopy dog lurker posting. Also to see if anyone would actually move like they keep saying they will (three no's so far so I doubt it)

I favor lynching Elie over Zak. Voting Elie would put him at L-1 with Zak not having voted though so I'm going to leave my vote here. I -might- be here before deadline again but no promisses.


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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #506 on: April 17, 2015, 07:25:34 PM »
People raised a lot of good points about Elieson, most of which I hadn't picked up in my read, and when I looked back I agreed with a lot of them. I also agreed with the points that Serela looked pretty bad, and figured I'd see where people would go with support for lynching Serela.
I still think Elieson may be a good lynch, but between that and my remaining main read from day 2, I still feel stronger about BT.

##Unvote: Serela
##Vote: BT


BT's involvement has mostly been surface level, and the only parts I strongly remember is still the part that Oarfish brought up where he distantly pushed one of the day one wagons.

Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #507 on: April 17, 2015, 07:46:14 PM »
The only good post BT has in this entire game is his vote on me and judging from NNR's reaction to Serela's vote on me, that's not a hard thing to make look good at this point in the game.

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #508 on: April 17, 2015, 07:50:29 PM »

Since no one seems to realize just how scummy Refa is, I'll put my vote on my other scumread (and since I've been accused of just trying to get one person lynched after I failed to get a different person lynched, go back and reread my posts to see that I townread BT pretty hard, I scumread Zak and I'm not gonna vote myself sorry to disappoint everyone who thinks I'm mafia)

##Unvote
##Vote Zakeri
Votals


Sage Zakeri (5): BT, O4rfish, Serela, NekoNekoRex, Elieson (L-1)
Elieson (3): SB, Refa, Sky Paladin
BT (2): Shadoweh, Sage Zakeri

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.


4? hours left?


@SkyPaladin why are you just sheeping Refa and not really reading anything of my D3 at this point. I understand you're unmotivated but come on.


Of the people not voting for Zak, I highly doubt that my scumreads are going to hammer him if he's down (unless Zak does it himself; that'd be convenient). I still haven't read NNR/Shadoweh/Skypal [again] for what it's worth. I have a new mobile though, so hopefully I can get an opportunity to soon
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 3
« Reply #509 on: April 17, 2015, 07:51:22 PM »
BT's involvement has mostly been surface level, and the only parts I strongly remember is still the part that Oarfish brought up where he distantly pushed one of the day one wagons.

if BT's involvement has been surface level, what's yours been?
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