Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Game Over

[Shadoweh]

Geez Serela, if you really insist that badly you can be town this game after all. <3

I'll be active tomorrow, it's a day off-ish. Why are you asking Zak to post good content, I saw him wallposting while I was skimming the thread earlier, and I'm pretty sure they were full of reads on players and not fluff. Also, Serela's scum-flail panic is not usually on a scumbuddy who isn't getting attention at all. He wasn't asked about Rawr first, he just decided to point out Rawr wasn't doing anything on his own. My Serela Radar says he was being genuine.

[Serela]

It should be obvious, but since Rawr flipped red I no longer believe Scum is positioning itself optimally.  Rawr is a straightforward player, and so I will analyze things from a viewpoint of Scum being fairly straightforward.

Huh? So, since Rawr was lazy (as he always is as scum, and whaddaya know, I'm usually the only person actively yelling about it as usual :V) the entire scumteam must be playing badly? :S

During RVS, Rawr makes a crappy post and Serela's whaleface convinces 3 of us to vote him.  Serela never chases this any further, and makes only one other post referencing Rawr, putting him fifth on the hit list.

Are... are... are you serious? ;_; You're saying I look bad because I DIDN'T TRY TO SERIOUSLY GO AFTER RAWR WITH AN RVS JOKEVOTE?

Mitsuki starts questioning him about his sheep onto Dormio, which he never gives a straight answer to.

I still maintain that the question was impossible to answer to any significant degree ;_;

Elie and Serela ride the Oarfish wagon into the ground while Rawr does nothing for the rest of the day.

You make this sound like being on the O4rfish wagon was a bad thing; I was actively putting out reasons that O4rfish looked legitimately pretty scummy, and don't even try to reduce it via the 'scumclaim' shenanigans because I had a legit case vs. o4rfish before that ever happened and the maybeclaim thing didn't really matter.

Mitsuki is killed.  This could point to Serela.

Let me direct you to exhibit A~

Guess what, I don't like my Serela and Bard reads anymore. lol
I'm ok with their more recent posts, specially Bard's. Well, still waiting to see more from them and to see what I think when I reread, but yeah

Mitsuki didn't even think I was scummy in the last part of the day, not to mention she was getting replaced with someone else who'd have different reads. I wouldn't really have any particular reason to nightkill Vhaltsuki.

Skypal and Elie tunnel each other, but Rawr never fights back against Serela and dies.
Based on this, I think Serela has a strong connection to Rawr, and Elie probably does as well when you consider Skypal's case on him.

"Rawr continued ultralurking like he did the whole game already and died." Well, I guess I do kinda see where you're coming from, but TBH after the rawr wagon started shooting up and the nnr wagon became more obviously not worth counterwagoning off, I'm not sure he could have really done anything if he tried. It was pretty incriminating, Elie was the only person who didn't think he was scummy, and when you lurk that hard you can't really make up for it by posting a lot as soon as you're in danger, not to mention the contradictory content he'd been putting out (e.g. "I think NNR is town, ##Vote NNR") heavily implies he didn't have anything good to fight his wagon with either.

I mean, it's something, but "a strong connection" is pushing it a bit. Especially when you consider... even with my powerbussing meta, I mean, this is kinda shaky to push as a big reason that I'm scum. Rawr was obviously not in good graces this game and a possible flashwagon, but no one actually cared enough to push the wagon to happen. If I hadn't stepped in, it was probably very unlikely people would care enough to all consolidate onto him over NNR or BT or something. And the biggest problem with this is, by lynching rawr instead, NNR looks notably more town because he was the counterwagon, taking him off the lynch table when he easily could have been d2's lynch instead.

[Serela]

Any considerations that maybe Elie is just really bad a playing this game? evidently my reads have been absolutely awful since i thought Dormio was scum and Rawr was town.

I do think that's possible, but honestly, I actually think bad play moreso points to scum giving a townread on their buddy in danger of lynchings, rather than town really having had a townread on rawr.

However, your post/investigation/etc is the best thing I've seen from you all game, so I may need to reconsider o: Shadoweh needs to get her Real World Content out too, because her slot's got nothing and she's on the chopping board as well, so after both of you two finish I'll see if I want to move my vote.

I don't really think I want to try to lynch O4rfish for his case on me, but I think Refa really needs more scrutiny than SB thought he deserved. It'd be really bad of him to just let the Dr.Rawr lynch go unfulfilled after saying he was there and would vote on it, and when Rawr inevitably flipped scum Refa would have been turbolynched.

[Elieson]

ffs I'm just building my posts in GoogleDoc, then copypasting them over. I'm having a hard time adjusting to this forum's UI/skin


@SkyPaladin
#437: Townread on Selery started early on when, and it?s progressed through until now because:
+His response to Mitsuki?s double-edged question was the response I feel was similar to how I would?ve reacted
+The sort of lack-of-attention-to-detail in #117 reads as town operating on gut+memory, rather than scum looking for all sorts of citation. In fact, the majority of the little debacle between you (SkyPaladin) and Selery read to me as someone being backed into a corner reacting the way that someone would naturally if they didn?t have anything to hide. The effort to defend himself wasn?t as high as I would expected scum to present
+His statements in #160 either ring no alarms, or now in hindsight, look favorable with his presence regarding Dr Rawr. There was no reason to bring him up at all at this point for points other than lurking; all Selery did was point out his strange behavior. It?s too weak to be a scum bus IMO
+I feel like the position he had on O4rfish, while one I don?t agree with, makes sense to me as probably half of the game agreed that he was claiming scum, which I can?t argue since the majority of that case was built on meta of an apparently confusing player.
+His first post on D2 assaults O4rfish and Dr Rawr, which wouldn?t be necessary as he?s done so little, then parks a vote on him pretty early on. Again, I can?t see this being a bus.
=I feel like he?s being called out a bunch for doing things that he just isn?t doing, like the likelihood of him killing Mitsuki (thanks O4rfish for this) doesn?t make sense with Mits was townreading him
-I think his (his?) case against me is nothing more than PoE which sucks but I feel like he?s covered reads on everyone bar maybe Refa at this point so idk?
Analysis: Comes across as a stronger player, and reacts to cases against him in ways that I feel are similar to what I?d do; they read as natural, which I support natural presentation and I scumhunt by semantics. I can?t find much in terms of reasons to scumread Selery at this point.
 
#438: I?m not sure if you read my entire post but I?m townreading BT now that I reread him with a level head, so I?ll answer this question about Refa. My concern with Refa isn?t his vote on Dormio (well, it kind of is, but it wasn?t a hammer vote and he?d called out Dormio a bit during the game), but it?s the unvote on Oarfish, in particular a response of
 

Just going to come out and say that I didn't actually believe that Oarfish really scumclaimed

In the post where he votes for O4rfish, Refa just sheeps Bard?s case, in addition to ?what he already said about O4rfish?, implying that there was a hefty pile of reasons as to why he thought O4rfish was scum. The Unvote came with the justification of ?Well I never actually thought the things he was doing were that scummy so yea? which goes against his previous stance of conviction pretty hard.
 
@O4rfish?s #445
If it?s halfway through Day three and your scumreading over half of the game, I think you need to re-analyze your thought processes. Can you not agree with me here?
Also, you list NNR as your first scumread, but vote for your third listed scumread. This rings a bell.
 

[Serela]

This is neither here nor there but tbh I'm being a lot lazier than normal, not really bothering to reread to confirm most of what I say or to examine people or even really properly case the people I am voting. Several times I've voted someone and only gotten decent justification -afterwords-, by stuff brought up by other people, actually that's all my non-rawr votes this game I think.

I just don't really have the proper motivation/hype this time around D; RL is being really blegh which doesn't help. Thankfully by bouncing off others picking up important details that I'm completely missing the slack gets picked up, but, it's not a very town-minded attitude to have others pulling most of the weight for you

[NekoNekoRex]

Your case on me is laughable.  What about your ED2 case still applies? 

Well until this post you've had basically nothing to say about who you think is scum (besides me), why you think they're scum, and actually using post content to hunt scum. Bravo. I suppose that my ED2 case no longer applies. Not that it's the only part of my case. I've been on your ass all game  about your weak and nonsensical case on me. It's caused me to flip flip purely because I thought scum couldn't be that bad at trying to get someone lynched. Apparently I'm wrong though since Rawr proved so!

You must have a really high opinion of my persuasive skills if you think I could have gotten you lynched LD2.  Let me give you a hypothetical: 1 hour left, I try for a wagon swap, not enough people switch over.  No lynch, Town is punished.  Another hypothetical: the Scum version of me disappears rather than vote for Rawr, no lynch, Town is punished, I look slightly more scummy than I did before, but Scum still has 3 living players.
If I were scum, either of those would be much more preferable.

This is extremely shallow thought. If you caused a no-lynch on D2, you'd be powerwagoned instantly for letting it happen. You were around at deadline, you would have had no excuse.
As far as the wagon on me, there were already votes on it, it could have worked. Hell, there were players on it that agreed with the wagon at the time (SB, Refa). You just flip-flop however.
The problem is, you failed to actually put anything down on me, you failed to explain why I was scum until now. You had a weak case and so instead you went and bussed rawr while crying 'woe is me'.

Let's examine Bard's death as well.  Scum Oarfish kills Bard because I like to get rid of allies and keep around people who want to vote for me.  Bard was voting for me because I didn't have much content, but when I started producing he changed his mind.  What would make Bard go after me, except laziness or hypocrisy?  Or, Scum NNR kills Bard because you're tired of losing debates against him.  Bard was voting you because of multiple reasons.  He never even mentioned a reason to leave you alone.  What could you do to change his mind, except kill him?  Really, if Scum killed the people who believed in them and left alive the people who thought they were scum, how would they even survive to LYLO?

Bard was your only town read. Since scum benefits from killing the most obvtown players, there's no other logical choice for you. I could be scum killing bard, yes, that's a good way to frame me too, and obviously I'm not scum since Rawr tried to counterwagon me.

I'm not going to defend Serela, but I'm pretty sure Serela got Rawr lynched, and a 0-lynch scum wagon as scumbuddy when there's already viable town wagons around doesn't make sense. I don't have to look farther then your confusing sheets to confirm it.

[NekoNekoRex]

where are posts

[BT]

I think people noticed, but I'm barely dedicating time to this game. I CAN physically play the game but I have one, two hours of -free- time per day and I consistently prefer to do other things than read mafia during that time. It's like every time I join a game I forget I don't actually want to play mafia. "But it's good memories right? And it's fun sometimes? So go join."

/rant

##Vote Zak

This post was bad. For one thing, it's ultimately there just to establish that he's fine with the Oarfish lynch. "... I guess this post is just me convincing myself that I want Oarfish to be lynched." Zak was never part of the Oarfish wagon and at the same time supported it from LD1, so it read funny, like he needs to justify staying on the wagon, except he's not on the wagon. Then it hit me that there's a huge case of apathy here. There's the fact that the post stops without achieving much of anything - I can imagine Scum Zak losing the motivation to post once the Oarfish read was established - and there's how he parked his vote on me, apparently, because of Oarfish's post (source: the same post). Sheeping a guy and then cheerleading his wagon is a gigantic disrepancy.

He then shows up to vote rawr once the wagon picked up steam. "I think NNR is cop town, ##Vote NNR" is such a simple and clean reason to flashwagon a dude that can see scum submitting to it pretty easily, especially on lurkrawr.

The sucky thing about my situation is that my reads aren't near the strength I want them to be. I keep reversing my opinion on Sky because I think him prodding Oarfish/Elie is townie, but then I remember that he basically namedrops me as scum whenever it's appropriate but never does anything about it, so, like, is Sky just being hyper? I can't tell and I don't have the time to.

I still ultimately lean scum on Oarfish though. Really liked NNR's case. It also occured to me that the parts I remember the best from Oarfish's ISO is him on the defensive, like in this post. I think his cases this game are underwhelming, in general and in contrast to the amount of effort put in. Serela and NNR are pretty much the only two slots I'm comfortable reading as town and it rubs off very badly on his Serela vote and his NNR interactions.

Elie/SB/Refa require High Level Analysis and oh boy there's no way I'm doing that today. Basically I think I'd need to take a good look at their activity (mostly macro, interactions etc.) to figure out if they're scum and I pretty much have no handle on that at the moment. Unless I'm missing someone, all that's left is Shadoweh, but she isn't posting yet.

Good night.  :colbert:

[WHMZakeri]

##Vote: Serela for competing wagons' sake.

I support the Elie-Serelie pairing, and I would say more on it now but a special someone (who is completely off-site) has been abusing my creative thinking skills lately.
got no response to BT other than insisting that I'm not scum. It's a valid line of thought, so I don't fault it for being on the wrong side of chance.

[Serela]

##Vote: Serela for competing wagons' sake.

ಠ_ಠ

[Elieson]

Unofficial Votals
Elieson (2): SB, Selery
Selery (2): O4rfish, Sage Zakeri
O4rfish (1): NekoNekoRex
Refa (1): Elieson
Sage Zakeri (1): BT

Hammer = 6. Phase Time remaining is like 50-ish hours from now.

[/b]

Zak...umm what?, your vote is barely a vote...i don't even

[PX]

Co-mod Votals

Elieson (2): SB, Selery
Selery (2): O4rfish, Sage Zakeri
O4rfish (1): NekoNekoRex
Refa (1): Elieson
Sage Zakeri (1): BT
Not Voting (3): Sky Paladin, Shadoweh, Refa

You have 47ish hours left in the day. With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

[O4rfish]

Working on several posts atm.

[O4rfish]

Bard was your only town read. Since scum benefits from killing the most obvtown players, there's no other logical choice for you.

Insane troll logic.  As we all know, Scum don't need reads.  They already know who is Town and who is Scum.  If I were Scum, I'm pretty sure I would have left Bard alive until much later, seeing as how he had a Townread on me.  You remember how I almost got lynched twice this game, and could have easily predicted I would be a target today ESPECIALLY after getting rid of Bard?

You make this sound like being on the O4rfish wagon was a bad thing; I was actively putting out reasons that O4rfish looked legitimately pretty scummy, and don't even try to reduce it via the 'scumclaim' shenanigans because I had a legit case vs. o4rfish before that ever happened and the maybeclaim thing didn't really matter.

Let me direct you to exhibit A~Mitsuki didn't even think I was scummy in the last part of the day, not to mention she was getting replaced with someone else who'd have different reads. I wouldn't really have any particular reason to nightkill Vhaltsuki.

These are both true, and I did not remember them when I was making my interactions case which doesn't look as strong now.

And the biggest problem with this is, by lynching rawr instead, NNR looks notably more town because he was the counterwagon, taking him off the lynch table when he easily could have been d2's lynch instead.

I don't see it that way.  Counter-bussing could be pretty effective.  By lynching Scum Rawr instead of Scum NNR, scum loses an extremely weak member and keeps a reasonably active member whom several players believe to be Town. 

[O4rfish]

This is neither here nor there but tbh I'm being a lot lazier than normal, not really bothering to reread to confirm most of what I say or to examine people or even really properly case the people I am voting. Several times I've voted someone and only gotten decent justification -afterwords-, by stuff brought up by other people, actually that's all my non-rawr votes this game I think.
I just don't really have the proper motivation/hype this time around D; RL is being really blegh which doesn't help. Thankfully by bouncing off others picking up important details that I'm completely missing the slack gets picked up, but, it's not a very town-minded attitude to have others pulling most of the weight for you

"I'm playing recklessly because RL and low motivation."

I think people noticed, but I'm barely dedicating time to this game. I CAN physically play the game but I have one, two hours of -free- time per day and I consistently prefer to do other things than read mafia during that time. It's like every time I join a game I forget I don't actually want to play mafia. "But it's good memories right? And it's fun sometimes? So go join."

"I'm playing to my scum meta for RL, plus low motivation."

(Quote from: Zakeri) Then it hit me that there's a huge case of apathy here. There's the fact that the post stops without achieving much of anything - I can imagine Scum Zak losing the motivation to post once the Oarfish read was established - and there's how he parked his vote on me, apparently, because of Oarfish's post (source: the same post). Sheeping a guy and then cheerleading his wagon is a gigantic disrepancy.

You know what's a giant discrepancy?  Casing a guy for doing essentially the same thing you did!  You voted me and a day later told me to provide more content -- then noticed I HAD, and supported me doing that but admitted not reading it and apparently you never went back and did so!  There's no evidence you even read anything from d3 aside from a couple of hyperlinks.

I still ultimately lean scum on Oarfish though. Really liked NNR's case. It also occured to me that the parts I remember the best from Oarfish's ISO is him on the defensive, like in this post. I think his cases this game are underwhelming, in general and in contrast to the amount of effort put in. Serela and NNR are pretty much the only two slots I'm comfortable reading as town and it rubs off very badly on his Serela vote and his NNR interactions.

Weak. You aren't saying WHAT you like about NNR's case.  And my cases suck compared to the amount of effort?  Are you trying to say that your tiny amount of effort is a good thing? 
BTW, claiming a townread on NNR is funny considering you haven't mentioned him at all this whole game.  Other people you haven't mentioned all game: Rawr, Zak.

[O4rfish]

and Shadoweh.  I mean, I can understand why it would never occur to you (BT) to mention Zak, ActionDan or Shadoweh when you're only skimming the game, but while someone gets lynched I would hope you would at least say SOMETHING about it.

[O4rfish]

At one point NNR had four votes on him, but of course BT said nothing about that one way or the other.

Maybe I've just got too high of an opinion on him from Mirai Nikki and VA2.

[O4rfish]

+I feel like the position he had on O4rfish, while one I don?t agree with, makes sense to me as probably half of the game agreed that he was claiming scum, which I can?t argue since the majority of that case was built on meta of an apparently confusing player.

The reasons for me being confusing are probably that I don't have any scum games, and that I like to try new approaches because I don't have any nonasterisked wins.

Seeing as how Elie's townread on Rawr came within a minute of Rawr's "vote NNR against gut because Bard" post that got him killed, either Rawr thought that post was good or Elie and Rawr are not scumbuddies working together, or both.  Not a solid defense but it's what I see. 

I've ISOd Elie, and I'm just not getting anything clear.  I disagreed with his case against Skypal, feeling the "I don't believe 100% Serela is scum" quote was taken out of context. 
His posts backing off my lynch are not good, as both I and Refa pointed out (for different reasons). 

D2, Elie votes BT and defends me, then when BT supports my amount of content but keeps his vote on me, Elie says BT is still scum and Oarfish is too, for "poor justifications".  Meanwhile, people vote Elie and he just complains.

I try to read his D3 posts but my eyes just glaze over. 

[O4rfish]

I started typing the post about Elie, but completed the other posts first.  I think he isn't playing strongly, but there's nothing I can really point to for casing him. 
Serela's case against him is pretty weak.
Refa's case boils down to voting without having good reasons, and asking other people for justification rather than coming up with his own.  Valid, but not exciting.
Skypal's case is detailed. Seems like kind of a list of minor bad-play things.
SB's case is weird actually.

I feel like if one of NNR/Elieson is scum the other probably is too based on how they've interacted today. Rawr is probably the better lynch between them still especially when valid reasons for voting NNR aren't really in his posts.

But, come D3 and Rawr's flip, SB treats NNR as obvtown and Elie as obvscum.
SB, some elaboration on this?

Zak's post looks pretty bad.  You realize this is essentially similar to what got Rawr lynched, right?  I mean, I'll give you a chance to explain yourself, but ... good luck with that.
I think I'd rather lynch someone I have a fairly solid read on, like NNR or BT, but come on.
##Unvote, Vote: Zak


Heh heh, this recurring database error is pretty scary.  If this post doesn't go through, I'm going to hear a lot of "how about a conclusion" and "why did you not switch your vote"

... Looks like we're back!  We should probably get a time extension though. 

[Serela]

Yeah the forum was down for like a day, so reasonably there'll be an extension.

Esp. after Zak's egregarious vote on me, I might want to get behind that wagon. :T I'll look over his other content tomorrow (there's only like 2 non-dodge posts anyway!) but I'm crawling in bed, my last forum refresh just happened to suddenly turn up with an actual non-error page (along with O4rfish getting in gear, hot damn)

[Serela]

I mixed up gregarious and egregious, I mean the latter

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

uhhh is this site still alive

I'm gonna give you guys a 24 hour extension since the site was down for a good chunk of today, don't use it all in one place even though that makes no sense

Elieson (2): SB, Serela
Zakeri (2): BT, O4rfish
O4rfish (1): NekoRex
Refa (1): Elieson
Serela (1): Zakeri
Not Voting (3): Sky Paladin, Shadoweh, Refa

You have 40 hours and 30 minutes left in the day. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[SB]

Busy, lynching Serela sucks, @Oarfish NNR is town because Rawr tried to push him as his counterwagon. This is like... basic interaction based reads.

More later.

[Shadoweh]

I'm really sorry guys, I was reading the game last night and tried to hit reply, and the forum crashed, I'll try never to post in mafia again in the future. :<

Seriously though this sucks, I didn't have to work at 11am yesterday. <_< I'm having to reread again because I don't remember my thoughts from yesterday, wheee. I changed my mind on Serela entirely, there was no worries about saving his 'buddy', which he would have imo paniced about when it started to look like Rawr wouldn't happen. It's easy to say all the wagoners look good, tbh. Oarfish was forced to vote via being seen there near the end and Refa was kind of in the same boat. Actually what I'm saying is p much a carbon copy of SB's post right after the flip, lynching should be between Elieson, BT, Sky P and me.

I kind of like Elie's posts, but both Refa and SB seem to hate what he's doing, and I expect them to know him best so I'm going to look at what their case was on him again. BT's last post about hating all life was pretty bad though. Cmon BT, I practically joined this game just so your last sendoff wouldn't have a long replacement time, show some enthusiasm. :} I want to say I agree with him on oarfish's posting but uh, I haven't been able to read Oarfish's posts since they're full of huge distracting charts that make my inner votecount analyzer cry tears of blood. Now that he's not posting them though his stuff seems logical? I certainly wouldn't lynch Oarfish today, he'd make a good venge-killer if it came down to it.

Zak's vote on Serela isn't unusual and you guys are jumping at shadowehs. Cross wagons between Zak and Serela after yesterday are shameful. What do you two think of Elieson and of BT's lack of will to live? I haven't.. seen any of Sky's posts yet so I'm not sure how to quip at him, but these are the people that should be getting attention. And me, since you wanted my beautiful attention. It's weird to be ignored when I'm mimicking my Inaction slot but okay, here's something you can actually talk about and say Shadoweh wrote that. I'm not going to vote yet since I really can't actually read the people I want to target yet.

[NekoNekoRex]

On phone so small posts.
@oarfish what happened to your serela vote?

Finally warming up a bit to oarfish effort but annoyed still it took him this long to put down good posts. Still think his read on me is weak andor influenced by mu tunneling but w/e.

Its enough to want to make me switch tho. Prob shadoweh or elie but maybe zak or bt? Dont want to switch while on phone atm

[O4rfish]

SB, from what you said yesterday, NNR and Elie had the same alignment. Your read and case on Elie is "the same as yesterday" so I believe this is a point you need to address.

[Sky_Paladin]

To be honest at the start of this day phase I was totally down for an Eli lynch because I went through day 2 going "Eli and Serela are scum with Eli's sweet 'I will never, ever, ever, lynch confirmed Scum-Rawr and totally scum Serela".  Seeing SB and Serela both open up on Eli at the start of the day was unexpected and I don't like surprises. 

I think Refa/Zak/Oarfish are town, although Zak's vote on Serela is terrible and I want to look in to that in as much detail as possible in a little bit.  NNR appears to have been a counterwagon to scum on day 2 so my feeling is that he is probably town unless we had dual scum wagons which I think is unlikely because scum would have pushed for the comparatively easy mislynch of Oarfish.  Unless the team is Oarfish/NNR/Rawr, but today we have Oarfish/NNR going head to head so that seems unlikely. 

I'm still concerned with Shadoweh.  The 'thing that I was waiting for' was Serela to react to Shadoweh suspicion from day 2, but it didn't happen.  On day 1 when Mitsuki, and then I, suspected Serela she went absolutely frothing mad, yet when Shadoweh said something Serela went out of her way to say Shadoweh's suspicion was justified. 

I guess I feel that a lot of this games mystery can be resolved with a Serela flip.  OTOH I think all of Eli's pushes have been bad and lined up with scum!Rawr's activity so I'll probably vote there. 

I have some other things to do then I will come back and re-read some things here. 

[Refa]

Sorry, I just lost a huge post and am feeling really demotivated at the moment.  Going to try and recreate that later when I have more time, but I figure that it's better for people to get a vague idea of my reads rather than just leaving them in the dark.

Elieson- Nothing that he said substantiated a townread on Dr. Rawr; I can get being confused on him because he's a lurker and barely had any content (I mean, that's pretty much me), but that's not what he did.  Also don't agree with like, any of his scumreads (although his townreads are fine), and he hasn't actually adequately responded to my issues with him.

Oarfish- I was townreading him for their spreadsheets yesterday, but today it just seems like he's making them in lieu of actual content (well, earlier on)?  I haven't actually bothered to read them though, so I'm not sure if this is just bad play or if there's scum intent behind it.

Townreading basically everyone else except Shadoweh and Zak.  Shadoweh's posts seemed fine initially (although I'd like more impressions on the current wagons, but whatevs), and I was townreading Zak earlier but his current play is baffling me.

[Refa]

Forgot to do this.

##Vote: Elieson

[Serela]

I didn't react to Shadoweh previously because she hadn't caught up with the game to the point of posting real content yet. Refa is just kinda, there, but not only do I have no energy but no one is interested in him so I'm not going to bother with him today. Also I got mad at you because your case was the worst combination of smug gotchas and bonkers conspiracy theories.

BT's d3 content continues my previous opinion of lukewarm suspicion. Yeah, I can see this being scum, it makes sense from scum, there's minor things that suggest it's somewhat more likely scum than town, but it's stuff that could just be coincidences, such as who his town/scumreads are falling on and a more low-ish degree of content but still acceptable and not suggestive of outright lurkscum or anything.

Okay, I guess I need to decide who I actually want to lynch, since it's nearing deadline and I'm not super hyped about any single candidate in particular. Right, need to reread Zak. (This is pretty easy since he only posts in mafia, so his account's posting log is clean~)

There's... really not much here :S His post about BT d2 isn't bad but there's only that and him wanting to lynch Dormio d1. Even in terms of interactions this won't be helpful later because it'd be perfectly fine to do whether BT is a townie he'd mislynch or his buddy that he'd like arguably town looking interactions with after an eventual lynch, since it doesn't actually put BT in much danger.

Actually, wait, no, most of the stuff he's talking about in that post is wanting to lynch O4rfish. That makes the BT vote look even weirder if he's scum, but considering the tier of audacious laziness his play has hit, he could just be ballsy scum that really doesn't care if he's being weird? I mean he sure isn't getting a whole lot of flak, a lot of people don't want him lynched.

I don't actually know what to make of that. The Zak situation is really weird right now.