Author Topic: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Game Over  (Read 48052 times)

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #330 on: April 11, 2015, 02:21:48 PM »
New things besides the NNR vote? Well that's at least something. Reading Comprehension.

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #331 on: April 11, 2015, 03:00:06 PM »
I can buy into Bard's case. It feels like most of NNR's content has been kind of vague (finding Bard's usage of meta bad but not giving a reason for it) or pushing obviously after things that are obviously scummy (Zak saying he was going to lurk, etc). The way he constantly flips around on SkyPal that also confuses me and feels kind of exaggerated? Reads change and stuff but at the same time flipping around every time a new post shows up feels very wrong.

I kind of want to vote Rawr because his content is really sparse and uninspiring where it exists. I also remember his alignment generally being transparent in some of his town games but I haven't seen Town!Rawr in forever so I dunno.

I don't even know about Oarfish. I think I was townreading him at deadline yesterday because the cases on him that caused the near turbo were terrible but at the same time I caught a Serela post I missed the first time around that actually had some stuff I can agree with in it? Mafia sucks.

Refa's Eli case is good and I feel like Eli's BT vote today doesn't make sense. Cutting out five minutes of discussion time isn't incredibly anti-town unless you think BT blocked scum!Oarfish's lynch... except Eli states that he's townreading Oarfish. I also don't think that the way he seems to have dropped Sky (by not mentioning him at all) is realistic if he was scumreading him because he was Eli's top suspect yesterday. So the fact that he didn't even give Sky a passing mention on it's own is really weird, and when his reasons from voting BT aren't very solid it makes even less sense.

Eli > NNR > Rawr? I'm kind of unsure on the first two right now  to the point that I waffled on my vote right before posting so yeah.

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #332 on: April 11, 2015, 03:57:30 PM »
I admit to apathy due to the volume of lurkers in this game.

Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #333 on: April 11, 2015, 05:05:28 PM »
cant quite say i agree with oarfishes spreadsheets seeing as scum can roll around and do what ever they want. i also like to think scum wouldnt actually go and make a spread sheet explaining who they think could possible be scum and then voting someone completely different so oarfish is pretty town in my book for that reason.
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As I said, going for the no-lynch wasn't apparently something Scum wanted to do: they wanted to lynch Town
@oarfish in what situation would scum go for a no lynch with this kind of game setup? i cant understand why you would bring something like that up


not going to go back and see if i should reread and see if i should comment about something sky paladin say very early day one so ill forget about that and move on.

ill look back at bt and nnr when i have time later butt for some reason im not really feeling either of them as scum atm.

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #334 on: April 11, 2015, 05:11:32 PM »
I've spent the past 12-ish hours battling extreme nausea and what I think is food poisoning from improperly prepared seafood from last night's dinner. You'll get more from me tonight when my stomach doesn't feel like removing itself from my body

quick notes though @sb Sky's done like nothing this phase, and BT's justification is really lame at this point. I think I'm just frustrated with BT at the moment for cutting me off mid-post yesterphase with his hammer. I clicked Post with a @@VoteDormio and the thing that says "There have been X new posts" came up, including his post with the hammer, and prims calling PhaseEnd. I don't know what else to tell you

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #335 on: April 11, 2015, 05:13:29 PM »
So... because you're frustrated because you wanted to be the hammerer, BT is scum? Explain this to me.

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #336 on: April 11, 2015, 07:50:15 PM »
I'm frustrated because I'm being called out for having my vote on nobody when as I said before, people were cramming out posts every couple of seconds.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #337 on: April 11, 2015, 08:01:23 PM »
alright I'm feeling a little better today, not that there's a whole lot I can do to put it off any longer.

I think Oarfish is town because there are two scenerios that could be at play here

1. As town he gave up after being a heavy wagon and panicked, and is throwing out wagon analysis at that start of the day to try and give every single last bit of info he has to help town.
2. As scum he gave up and panicked, and is flailing around pretending to be useful with by recording the votes down and regurgitating them.

...actually, last night I somehow made this sound like the first option made more sense because it was the more natural course of actions, but now It sounds like the latter is more natural. Especially since I feel like town is more likely to pick themselves up and try again with real effort.
My vote on BT was largely based on Oarfish's point of how scum would act at the end of the day. Thinking back, the reason I liked it so much was because it was the only part of Oarfish's post that resembled Oarfish having his own sense of agency in what the town wagons are doing.

I also don't like that after reasoning through his scumteam based on the votecount, and based on the few points of logic he put towards how scum would act at the end of the dayphase, yet puts a vote on someone he didn't talk about at all for a rather slight gut reaction. Not sure if this is scummy bad, but even if you discount it as a pressure vote, I don't see how it could advance information in any real manor.

There's not been a whole lot of new information being presented in day 2 so far, so right now I guess this post is just me convincing myself that I want Oarfish to be lynched.

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #338 on: April 11, 2015, 08:41:30 PM »
Ellie that still amounts to "I'm frustrated and that's why I'm voting BT" :S

Yeah, the game is already kinda stalling. Normally it takes until d3 for that to happen, at least. This early, it makes it hard to have much to go on for lynches... ;_;

...fuck, I got distracted and now it's time for work. I have to just go ahead and post this as-is then. :T I was doing some rereading but I'm already late

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #339 on: April 12, 2015, 12:33:42 AM »
I've been/am really busy this weekend. Prod dodge or v/la til Monday Us.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #340 on: April 12, 2015, 12:34:14 AM »
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #341 on: April 12, 2015, 12:55:04 AM »
Day 2.3 - Votals
BT (2) - Elieson, Zakeri
Elieson (2) - Refa, SB
NekoRex (2) - Bardiche, O4rfish
O4rfish (2) - NekoRex, BT
Not Voting: Dr Rawr, Serela, Shadoweh, Sky_Paladin

You have ~21 hours remaining in the day. With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #342 on: April 12, 2015, 01:39:36 AM »
cant quite say i agree with oarfishes spreadsheets seeing as scum can roll around and do what ever they want.
This is true, however I was imagining what the ideal scum team would be, assuming they attempted and succeeded in manipulating the events of LD1.


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@oarfish in what situation would scum go for a no lynch with this kind of game setup? i cant understand why you would bring something like that up
- Town must lynch and scum must kill. Failing to reach majority or failing to send in a kill will result in a pseudo-random kill - pseudo-random because if necessary, I may rig it to harm the responsible faction. So don't rely on this as a gambit.
It seemed obvious that Scum COULD benefit from Town not lynching.  I also think it's obvious that they decided not to do it.


1. As town he gave up after being a heavy wagon and panicked, and is throwing out wagon analysis at that start of the day to try and give every single last bit of info he has to help town.
2. As scum he gave up and panicked, and is flailing around pretending to be useful with by recording the votes down and regurgitating them.
Well, my case is predicated on the fact that I am Town. 
Usually, less credence is given to the opinions of dead people.  I was trying to present my information and case in such a way that it could still be followed after I am lynched.  Or killed, but I started today with the reasonable assumption that I would be lynched, and it seemed like I could bring a unique perspective to bear. 

My case on BT as an individual is flimsy at best, and yes my vote for NNR was more a pressure vote for scummy behavior than a gut reading -- I started this game with a strong townread on him.  However, Bard at least believes my pressure vote on NNR found some results, so ...

Not sure what to think about this.  Who are NNR's buddies?  Are there indications to which players he's working with?  I'll post later with thoughts.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #343 on: April 12, 2015, 03:20:41 AM »
I'm pretty sure I want to lynch more people than there are scum at the moment.

So I really like my NNR case, and I definitely don't like the O4rfish wagon anymore. With 21 hours left, it's time to toss down chips. Tell me why the Elieson or BT lynches are superior to NNR, who also overreacted heavily to being voted by O4rfish and seems too bothered to just be a simple townie!

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #344 on: April 12, 2015, 04:05:01 AM »
I'm mad because Oarfish's case is bad and nobody cares about it, and Oarfish isn't doing anything about it, or even giving a better reason to vote me. In fact Oarfish pretty much ignores everything I post about him.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #345 on: April 12, 2015, 04:06:06 AM »
Very little has happened since my last post, which is kind of awful, but let me go at least read what's there.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #346 on: April 12, 2015, 04:15:25 AM »
actually fuck it, I'm going to do a 180

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I don't think Oarfish is scum any more. It doesn't even make sense to me now. I think he's just horrible at scumhunting. His vote on my is absolutely ridiculous, but then he has the audacity to follow up and assume that not only Bard is sheeping him (as opposed to voting me for a completely different and unrelated reason), but also that he already assumes I'm going to flip scum and has totally given up looking for more reasons to lynch me in favor of finding my buddies. I honestly think scum wouldn't do that just because it doesn't make sense to even 'pressure' me that way.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #347 on: April 12, 2015, 04:30:34 AM »
##Vote Shadoweh

... Wait, what do you mean? Shadoweh isn't in the game?
Nonsense! It says right here in my role PM that I'm a lyncher and need to lynch Shadoweh to win!

You're not a lyncher, you're a prophet.  Also post coming soon (TL's note: in a few hours).

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #348 on: April 12, 2015, 04:41:02 AM »
oh my god no i said i would sub in as a joke WHY IS THIS HAPPENING TO ME
Uhm, the only thing i remember is glancing at a bunch of hilarious gif charts. I was under the impression Oarfish was spam-posting scum at first <.< So I guess I should.. actually read BT and Neko's posts.. *sobbing*


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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #349 on: April 12, 2015, 04:56:39 AM »
##Vote: SB

I ISO'd SB and I'm noticing a pattern that he switches sides constantly on people he's voting, and switching his reads far too often, and sheeping wagons while not giving solid opinions on anyone else he's not voting.
On Mitsuki D1, he initially votes Mitsuki
, then unvotes to vote Bard (voting Mitsuki). He still [ur=https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18246.msg1174970.html#msg1174970l]voices dislike of Mitsuki[/url] though doesn't vote her. Then nitpicks her again despite his vote on bard, but his vote on Bard feels like a pressure vote more then actual scumread.

Notice how he's on the fence about Serela and Skypal. It's early in the game, yeah, but all of his posts lack solid conviction on a scumread.

He drops Bard and votes Dormio in an apparent bandwagon hop, then vanishes. Even his Dormio vote seems to lack conviction,

After he tries to snipe Oarfish at deadline, he continues to post not to push a Dormio lynch, but to dissuade an Oarfish lynch with more weak stances and reliance on meta as opposed to quoting game content and really casing Oarfish.

His D2 content is so far a single post that completely lacks a single solid and original opinion.

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I can buy into Bard's case. It feels like most of NNR's content has been kind of vague (finding Bard's usage of meta bad but not giving a reason for it) or pushing obviously after things that are obviously scummy (Zak saying he was going to lurk, etc). The way he constantly flips around on SkyPal that also confuses me and feels kind of exaggerated? Reads change and stuff but at the same time flipping around every time a new post shows up feels very wrong.
He criticizes me in a way that fails to give an actual stance that I'm scum, instead toeing it and saying 'NNR feels bad and I'm sheeping Bard'.
Made even more forced-sounding with the criticism on my lack of reason for disliking Bard's meta. SB loves to follow meta, so he should know that I kneejerk all the time at the mention of meta because it's lazy and unreliable. He thinks it's vauge now though? I haven't even scumread Bard either, so his whole criticism doesn't make sense.

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kind of want to vote Rawr because his content is really sparse and uninspiring where it exists. I also remember his alignment generally being transparent in some of his town games but I haven't seen Town!Rawr in forever so I dunno.
I don't even know about Oarfish. I think I was townreading him at deadline yesterday because the cases on him that caused the near turbo were terrible but at the same time I caught a Serela post I missed the first time around that actually had some stuff I can agree with in it? Mafia sucks.
Then, hypocritically, he proceeds to be completely on-the-fence about Rawr and Oarfish, flip-flopping on Oarfish in particular after fighting against his lynch yesterday.

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Refa's Eli case is good and I feel like Eli's BT vote today doesn't make sense. Cutting out five minutes of discussion time isn't incredibly anti-town unless you think BT blocked scum!Oarfish's lynch... except Eli states that he's townreading Oarfish. I also don't think that the way he seems to have dropped Sky (by not mentioning him at all) is realistic if he was scumreading him because he was Eli's top suspect yesterday. So the fact that he didn't even give Sky a passing mention on it's own is really weird, and when his reasons from voting BT aren't very solid it makes even less sense.
Finally, today's vote is just a bandwagon sheep, showing SB just isn't going to scumhunt himself this game.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #350 on: April 12, 2015, 08:40:19 AM »
Holy shit we suck at mafia.

I didn't get much out of Rawr's recent post the first time around, but it reads similarly to his stuff in Draft to me? Where he didn't seem to do much until he became a wagon and just threw out a townread or so until people noticed he wasn't doing anything.

Zak's post on Oarfish feels genuine which kind of reinforces my townread on the slot.

NNR's case on me kind of sucks. It's based on me changing my opinions in early stages at the game (and not explaining WHY the changes are scummy), not wanting Oarfish lynched (which is only bad if Oarfish is scum, which NNR doesn't think now) and his analysis of my recent content is really reaching. If he'd bothered to actually read past the first sentence in both my reads on NNR and Eli he'd see that my points against them are different to what Bard/Refa said on them and I just said I agreed with what they had to say. Also apparently my vote is very scummy bandwagoning... onto a person with one vote. Because that makes sense.

Bard, what do you think about what I posted about Eli here?

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #351 on: April 12, 2015, 10:09:37 AM »
NNR can't be right about SB being scum and just sheeping everyone else, because why would he agree with Zak's post about me being Town when Zak's post is actually backing off of a townread on me, unless you think scum would just skim a third-party opinion and agree with it without bothering to grok it first.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #352 on: April 12, 2015, 10:21:42 AM »
If there was a scum player who ONLY sheeped cases and joined wagons, that would ...
Actually I was about to say that person would be less dangerous than a different type of scum, but it doesn't sound as good written down than in my head. Still haven't examined NNR interactions; Saturday is busy for me. I'll try to do that when I get up tomorrow, if nobody else does it first.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #353 on: April 12, 2015, 11:17:01 AM »
So uh having time to read didn't happen. >_> I'm also going to be gone until after deadline lynch, so:
I think Bard is town, and if Oarfish's charts aren't just made up (and I assume they aren't since he only has two voters) he's likely not scum as well, plus both possible counters piling on him makes me think one of them is weak scum. Zakeri seems passingly legit, I haven't the foggiest how to read Elieson though. So instead of voting nowhere I'm going to throw out a vote on Neko and catch up on the game when there isn't a mad deadline for me to meet.

##Vote: NekoNekoRex

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #354 on: April 12, 2015, 12:22:02 PM »
I can't blame Shadoweh's read on me because I'm sitting around doing practically nothing. :T It feels like almost as much has happened since I went to work last night as had happened in the ~50 hours of d2 beforehand, aka when no one does anything I'm just like "ugghhh."

Haha that makes me feel bad when I come back and go "I really, really think we need to lynch Dr.Rawr for his nonexistence." >_>; Does it help that his meta encourages that him doing that makes him very likely to be scum? Even in this game of lurkers, he's extra-guilty, he's posted like once d2 and twice d1, both his d1 posts are as bare as possible and his d2 one isn't much better, and I recall -multiple games- where Rawr was ultralurk like this and flipped scum afterwords.

It's kinda late for me to be trying to get the rawr wagon going but I'm going to be around for deadline so I can always change my vote back. (My workshift will have me gone until a couple hours before, though.)

Honestly it's harder for me to want to vote NNR just because he's one of the least lazy players we have, which makes him look better in comparison even if his content might actually be scummy? Scum has it pretty easy this game unless the scumteam really -is- like, NNR/Rawr/___ because we've got so many lazytowns and no offense meant but half of the other town is ineffectual enough that... welp. (Me included ;_;) It's even easier for town to trip over the players actually trying to post and play whilst scum cruises by, when there's only a few that actually have significant amounts of content to look at.

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #355 on: April 12, 2015, 12:23:21 PM »
MAN EVERY TIME I POST D2 I COMPLETELY FORGET TO VOOOOOOOOOOOOOTE

##Vote Dr.Rawr

I meant to vote the last two times too. ;_; At least on the last post it wasn't just because I forgot, it was because the meat of my post got cut off due to distractions and then having to go to work
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #356 on: April 12, 2015, 01:10:31 PM »
Ya im replacing out

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #357 on: April 12, 2015, 01:25:55 PM »
Yes Dan, we noticed when the moderator told us you've been subbed out and Shadoweh started posting as your slot's new player. o.o
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #358 on: April 12, 2015, 02:03:38 PM »
I would vote Rawr if we had the players for it.

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 2
« Reply #359 on: April 12, 2015, 02:13:55 PM »
You do realize the biggest wagon is at a stunning ~*~3 votes~*~ right? Okay, I guess it's true there's been little discussion about a rawr lynch.

But that's probably just because he's so drastically nonexistent no one actually thinks about it.
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