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Touhou "Voice Actress" Threatened, Suspect Arrested
« on: July 03, 2014, 11:12:14 AM »
 http://www.japancrush.com/2014/stories/game-fans-death-threats-to-woman-who-dubbed-characters-voice.html

I know its actually a month ago, the news, I wanted to post this earlier but my computer broke and had to be repaired. What do you think of this insane fan?
« Last Edit: July 03, 2014, 04:36:18 PM by Tengukami »

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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2014, 03:56:19 PM »
Really? That's just sick, not to mention how people will see the fanbase. "She destroyed the character" huh? Not sure which dubbing was being talked about, I have my suspicions,but to say that about someone who even took the time to dub it is something that should be praised. At least touhou made it on the news... Yay?
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Re: Re: Miscellaneous Questions 5: Ask Question, Receive Answer
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2014, 04:01:37 PM »
About the news, sad thing is I'm actually not surprised. Every fandom's bound to have "that guy."

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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2014, 04:44:24 PM »
At least touhou made it on the news... Yay?
A dubious "yay" indeed. Otaku-related stuff gets in the news pretty much exclusively when fans behave like assholes, especially when they break the law.

The sad thing is, threatening to douse her in kerosene and set her alight isn't even the worst thing I've read said about voice actress (see also: /jp/).

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Re: Touhou "Voice Actress" Threatened, Suspect Arrested
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2014, 04:49:29 PM »
I don't really understand the hate really. Sorry if I shouldn't ask this but if I knew what she did then maybe I'd not feel as confused. Alas it is still wrong of them to do that. Was she a bad voice actress?
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2014, 05:55:46 PM »
People are idiots...there's always at least one moron of this caliber or worse in any fandom...

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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2014, 06:17:06 PM »
While it's true that a number of voice actors have ruined the characters ( ::)), common sense would tell you you should blame the director instead. Also never make death threats ever.

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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2014, 09:13:49 PM »
Sad story... pretty much like said by others here, every fandom is bound to have ''That Guy'', it's sad that others hear more about them because they get the most media coverage and are also generally the most active online in their hate/ranting... but i'm convinced there is 100 awesome people for every guy like this, well, maybe even more than this for Touhou :D

was she really that bad tough? i know voice actors preferences are always something that tend to have the biggest differnece of opinion between individuals, kind of like music genre preferences, it's very subjective... at any rate it can't be worth making death threats over it... or over anything really... no one deserves to die...


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with some confusing the ?Tohou? in the headline with the popular Korean boyband, Tohou Shinki.
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Re: Touhou "Voice Actress" Threatened, Suspect Arrested
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2014, 09:59:07 PM »
I don't really understand the hate really.

An overzealous and undeserved sense of entitlement, very likely laced with misogyny (which its own undeserved sense of entitlement, really). Nothing more, nothing less. This is, sadly, a more common mentality amongst people of this ilk than one would hope.
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2014, 11:46:27 PM »
An overzealous and undeserved sense of entitlement, very likely laced with misogyny (which its own undeserved sense of entitlement, really). Nothing more, nothing less. This is, sadly, a more common mentality amongst people of this ilk than one would hope.

I guess I never really seen it much or been around that kinda stuff, maybe I was lucky to never seen that side of the internet very much... except youtube comments...
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Re: Touhou "Voice Actress" Threatened, Suspect Arrested
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2014, 12:07:14 AM »
Something similar happened here (those are kinda old news as well, but not so old):
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-05-25/akb48-idols-anna-iriyama-rina-kawaei-attacked-at-fan-event/.74888

Some otaku are really crazy if you ask me.
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Re: Touhou "Voice Actress" Threatened, Suspect Arrested
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2014, 12:32:03 AM »
eh... Now I feel less inclined to call myself an Otaku...
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Re: Touhou "Voice Actress" Threatened, Suspect Arrested
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2014, 01:42:48 AM »
Huh, so this finally makes it to MotK.

I'm not an expert of NicoNico subculture, and have done little to wrap my head around it. However, AFAIK this incident is completely misreported in Japanese mainstream media. Japanese media treated it as another case of otaku hate speech for voice actors, which makes it easy to digest.

A tl;dr summary:

First of all, a major branch of NicoNico videomaker subculture has always been using gay porn ironically as video materials. And one of the most prominent memes in this part of the internet is "A Midsummer Night's Lewd Dream", or "Inmu" for short. In 2010, a Touhou fan video Cookie☆ was made. Its stiff voice acting happened to caught the attention of Inmu fans, and become their new favorite subject of mockery. And then...
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Every Touhou voice drama since has been overrun by Inmu fans. In particular, since 2012, one woman nicknamed TIS has been organizing a series of voice dramas, known for the reason above by the unofficial name Cookie☆☆. TIS actually seems to be using the Inmu fandom to gain attention, to the harm of the unsuspecting participants. This gasoline thing is a threat against a participant in one of the Cookie☆☆ voice dramas.


For further reference, below are some informative posts by tohosubs on its background (source).

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KnowYourMeme entry on Cookie☆ has some info (written (or probably translated, actually) by mona_jpn, as always).

It's because of this, for example, that there are hundreds of non-circle arranges of Dichromatic Lotus Butterfly [potentially NSFW]. A lot of them are actually really amazing: emo-punk(?) shrine, loud rock shrine.ptsd, d'n'b shrine, Final Boss shrine, Celtic shrine, ....

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It's definitely a sensitive corner of the Touhou fandom. On the other hand, Inmu, through Cookie☆, has generated a lot of great content that non-Inmu Touhou fans can enjoy. For example, I only basically follow Touhou and otoMADs and don't find the sounds in pure Inmu otoMADs that great (Gachimuchi Wrestling has nicer sounds), but I really enjoy Cookie☆ otoMADs. The rest of the gay porn Touhou stuff is also very amusing to watch.

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The voice drama in question, known as Cookie☆☆ (or Cookie☆☆☆). The woman is KNN姉貴. There's info on the Nicopedia article on Cookie☆☆, but you really need to read about Cookie☆ first to understand all this.
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Re: Touhou "Voice Actress" Threatened, Suspect Arrested
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2014, 05:32:34 AM »
Wow thank you cuc! A lot of things now make sense. I remember reading about cookie a long time ago when I first got into touhou! Also now I know what Inmu is... still creeped out from it.
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Re: Touhou "Voice Actress" Threatened, Suspect Arrested
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2014, 06:14:04 AM »
That's awesome knowing the back story, but is the main fact unchanged that at least one person was issuing threats like this against this woman?

Because I dunno, the whole "oh this is just how this community acts" thing doesn't minimize so much as underline the problem here.

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Re: Touhou "Voice Actress" Threatened, Suspect Arrested
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2014, 06:45:13 AM »
That's awesome knowing the back story, but is the main fact unchanged that at least one person was issuing threats like this against this woman?

Because I dunno, the whole "oh this is just how this community acts" thing doesn't minimize so much as underline the problem here.
The motive also matters. The point was that the motive behind the case isn't what people would assume from the way it is reported in Japanese media. It's not a fan raging about "she ruined my favorite character", but rather a bored guy hating what is popular to hate. (Admittedly, my old post was not well-organized enough. I've made some adjustments.)

To rephrase what tohosubs said, 2 years after Cookie☆ coincidentally got big, some other Touhou videomaker deliberately and foolishly tried to make a series of videos that ride on its internet fame, which dragged all her unwitting collaborators into the mud, turning them into prime targets, including the woman being threatened here.

EDIT: I've added more stuff in my post below.
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Re: Touhou "Voice Actress" Threatened, Suspect Arrested
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2014, 08:21:35 AM »
With the gay touhou porn stuff, do they refer to Aniki / Forest Fairies with Billy Harrington and such?

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Re: Touhou "Voice Actress" Threatened, Suspect Arrested
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2014, 11:22:47 AM »
There's a wiki dedicated to this where you can see these voice actor's personal info that the people on 2ch had found, which can be seenhere.

It's sad that these innocent people would be targeted by thousands of people and get their personal info publicated and spam their twitter, facebook, nicovideo accounts with death threats and hate comments on how bad their voice acting was. I also heard that one of them called UDK姉貴 commited suicide because of this.

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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2014, 01:05:48 PM »
With the gay touhou porn stuff, do they refer to Aniki / Forest Fairies with Billy Harrington and such?

Oh that's what I was thinking of, according to know your meme the two are similar in the gay porno thing but I think that's about as far as it goes. Then again that's all I was able to find anyway.
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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2014, 01:23:53 PM »
Except the ForestFairy / Aniki is a huge NicoNico meme thing and not really on 2ch afaik. Unless there are images going around.

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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2014, 03:06:08 PM »
The motive also matters. The point was that the motive behind the case isn't what people would assume from the way it is reported in Japanese media. It's not a fan raging about "she ruined my favorite character", but rather a bored guy hating what is popular to hate.
Eh, doesn't really change much for me what the motive was. And this doesn't seem like much of a distinction, either, considering the end result.


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« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2014, 03:32:07 PM »
Smelly Japanese trolls, thank you for creating a phenomenon of negativity so big I can't even avoid it! That's some well wasted time reading and writing about it.

Also, 'with some confusing the “Tohou” in the headline with the popular Korean boyband, Tohou Shinki.'
Guess which is more famous in Japan at this moment, a geeky fandom where the fans build everything they enjoy themselves, or a chart-topping Korean boyband?

Except the ForestFairy / Aniki is a huge NicoNico meme thing and not really on 2ch afaik. Unless there are images going around.
The Fairy and Aniki circles are generally harmless, while Inmu fans are internet roaches who crawl all over any place they decided should be incorporated into their mythos. Since the Cookie incident, this has included Touhou fan videos on NicoNico, too. If you become part of their pantheon, they would cyberstalk the shit out of you and your family.

Here is more background info + speculation:

It must be noted that names like KNN and TIS are not the actual screen names of these people, but nicknames invented by Inmu fans, modeled after the screen name of their No.1 victim in the Cookie☆ incident, UDK. (UDK committing suicide should be a baseless, if nasty rumor.) Neither are the videos themselves called Cookie☆ or Cookie☆☆. There's also Cookie☆☆☆, which seems to refer to videos further derived from them.

Cookie☆, or "Old Testament" according to Inmu fans, was a Valentine-themed video, "Marisa and Alice’s cookie kiss". You can read about it at the earlier KnowYourMeme link.

Cookie☆☆, or "New Testament". refers to a series of three 2012 Touhou fan videos produced by Taisu (TIS), that are completely unrelated to 2010's Cookie☆: "Christmas project", "New year project", and "Christmas 2013 project". "New year project" was the one video that created the new Inmu sensation. However, Taisu's works had already been parodied by the Inmu fandom before it, and apparently she did use them to promote her works, which would make it reasonable to suspect she expected the Inmu fandom to latch onto her work again. But her collaborators knew nothing about that.

Kanna (KNN) voiced Reimu in "New year project". By the time the death threats happened, she had already been the No.1 victim in the Cookie☆☆ incident. Since the Inmu fans are all cheery bros who do everything for the lulz, death threats actually don't seem like their modus operandi.

It is entirely possible that the perpetrator in this case is an Inmu hater, perhaps even a Touhou fan, who put the blame on Kanna.

Of course like Tengukami said, in the end he's just another jobless misogynist. But his case is far from the only thing ugly here.
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« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2014, 07:12:36 AM »
Somebody is more crazy than me, huh.

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« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2014, 02:31:12 PM »
I don't really understand the hate really. Sorry if I shouldn't ask this but if I knew what she did then maybe I'd not feel as confused. Alas it is still wrong of them to do that. Was she a bad voice actress?
Who knows what goes on in the minds of japan's neckbeards. They are on a level of their own.
On the other hand, if this was just an offhand post on an imageboard then it's stupid to take it seriously in the first place.

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« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2014, 03:04:17 PM »
On the other hand, if this was just an offhand post on an imageboard then it's stupid to take it seriously in the first place.
Yes, why should the police ever take seriously someone claiming they are going to douse someone in kerosene and set them on fire, especially when the person in question is already the target of a bandwagon of hate? Boy would that ever be stupid of the police to investigate.
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« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2014, 06:19:15 PM »
Maybe that was a bit too much sarcasm. Its like putting too much cheese on your pasta, you don't need that much. You are correct though, a internet threat should never been laughing matter since you can't tell how serious the other party actually is.

I've been wondering and its not that I don't trust your info cuc but how on earth did you find all this info about the two topics? I wouldn't have even seen the two related.
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« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2014, 07:45:14 PM »
I really hate reading about things like this on any fanbase that I'm apart of because it gives the fans a bad name in the eye of the media. I know every fanbase has its fair share of crazies no one can really control that but when you are saying that you are going to kill someone because they "ruined" your favorite character, you need to seek mental help because there maybe a few screws loose up there.

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« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2014, 11:15:55 PM »
How is the touhou fan base viewed? I've heard from like two people that we either hate others or we are stingy about touhou stuff. From what I've seen in this forum it doesn't appear that way, granted this is only from one site and don't really know the Japanese fanbase are.
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« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2014, 11:40:59 PM »
I guess the question is more, "viewed by who?" I'm not sure there's really a consensus. There's so much overlap in these fandoms that I wonder if people even make the distinctions.

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« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2014, 01:36:47 AM »
Well I can't really figure out how to ask it. I guess I just wonder how people view the touhou fan base, like after watching a vlog one time they make the fan base out to be a super critical cry baby, which is no where from what I've experienced.

Actually now that I remember, I was reading the yahoo comments about this threat and one was just simply "oh god the touhou fan base is at it again" or something very close. Kinda just got me thinking is all.
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