Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 11F (Read 277125 times)

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #60 on:** August 27, 2013, 09:40:33 PM »

Okay, something I want to know, but won't be able to test without making a new file. If I use

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Anyone have any idea?

ViciousYukkuri · « **Reply #61 on:** August 27, 2013, 09:41:35 PM »

Quote from: DarthNoob on August 27, 2013, 08:59:46 PM

I can't seem to find Mokou on 4F. I've already beaten Kaguya and recruited Wriggle, but she hasn't shown up yet. Is there anything else I have to do to make her appear?

I ran into this same problem. You have to talk to Reisen on 3F. She's at the bottom of the map.

Quote from: MysTeariousYukari on August 27, 2013, 09:40:33 PM

Okay, something I want to know, but won't be able to test without making a new file. If I use
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Hourai Elixir and Healing Limit Breaker to overheal Byakuren, what will her passive HP regen do? will it try to heal her up to that Overheal amount if she falls below it? Stop working until HP falls below her normal max? Bring her down to her normal max?
Anyone have any idea?

I just tested this. It just stops working until she comes below normal max. It doesn't reset her HP, either. It's safe to assume this is true of all HP regen skills.

Xarizzar · « **Reply #62 on:** August 27, 2013, 10:54:13 PM »

So,

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Cogwheel · « **Reply #63 on:** August 27, 2013, 10:57:09 PM »

Quote from: Xarizzar95 on August 27, 2013, 10:54:13 PM

So,
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these orbs on floor 18 and one boss in F20. Did I just instant death 2 of these orbs and that boss? Seriously?

...What?

What?

That... that's beautiful. I wish I had tried.

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #64 on:** August 27, 2013, 11:04:59 PM »

Quote from: Xarizzar95 on August 27, 2013, 10:54:13 PM

So,
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these orbs on floor 18 and one boss in F20. Did I just instant death 2 of these orbs and that boss? Seriously?

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So it is certainly possible that is intended to happen... Lucky You! XD

Xarizzar · « **Reply #65 on:** August 27, 2013, 11:15:08 PM »

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MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #66 on:** August 27, 2013, 11:21:58 PM »

Quote from: Xarizzar95 on August 27, 2013, 11:15:08 PM

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Is there any other boss not immune to instant death?

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Anything else, you would have to find out by actually trying.

CloverNaght · « **Reply #67 on:** August 28, 2013, 01:18:48 AM »

Finally found the artist in charge of character potraits ingame http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=146732

ViciousYukkuri · « **Reply #68 on:** August 28, 2013, 01:50:03 AM »

Quote from: AkurouNyan~ on August 28, 2013, 01:18:48 AM

Finally found the artist in charge of character potraits ingame http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=146732

Someone really likes Tokiko. If you know what I mean...

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #69 on:** August 28, 2013, 07:42:40 AM »

So, I have been grinding my butt off, for the heck of it! And what do I have to show for it? Level 300+ that's what!

ViciousYukkuri · « **Reply #70 on:** August 28, 2013, 07:51:17 AM »

I'm going to laugh/cry when 21F and 22F come out and we need to be that high to do anything. You'll be ready, at least.

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And I'm stuck on Komachi again. :ohdear:

Also, does anybody know what this guy actually does? I've let him go for 3 or 4 turns before and all I've seen it do is focus.

Anima Zero · « **Reply #71 on:** August 28, 2013, 11:25:16 AM »

Didn't play much, but it was enough to find

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on 5F and get her to join my team.

Time to go finish map out what I can of 5F, then I'm going on another F.O.E nuking phase since I need to get this lovely 30k item in the shop.

Xarizzar · « **Reply #72 on:** August 28, 2013, 02:20:38 PM »

So, how many

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are there in the current version? I've found 10, so far...

MewMewHeart · « **Reply #73 on:** August 28, 2013, 03:39:54 PM »

Ok NOW I see why people call Kasen broken early in game, I managed to steamroll Kaguya and didn't die at all! On top of that Kasen's self buff, Keine's ATK/MAG buff ,and Reimu's Hakurei barrier made her a killer tank machine on the first phase along with Momiji. Second phase of Kaguya's battle Youmu and Kasen was like "LOL NOPE!" and I killed her.

My comment: I BROKE THE GAME!

Kirin no Sora · « **Reply #74 on:** August 28, 2013, 03:54:53 PM »

Quote from: Anima Zero on August 28, 2013, 11:25:16 AM

Didn't play much, but it was enough to find
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Nazrin
on 5F and get her to join my team.

Time to go finish map out what I can of 5F, then I'm going on another F.O.E nuking phase since I need to get this lovely 30k item in the shop.

...how many FOE's have you slain thus far? You should really check in the achievements in between trips to see if you qualify for the "FOE's Annihilation Crisis" one, as it'll grant you 80,000 yen once you get it.

Also, if you can get over 10,000 BP for a character, then you can get another achievement, "All Around an Outstanding Performance", which gives 128,000 yen for managing to pull it off.

Quote from: MewMewHeart on August 28, 2013, 03:39:54 PM

Ok NOW I see why people call Kasen broken early in game, I managed to steamroll Kaguya and didn't die at all! On top of that Kasen's buff and Keine's buff and Reimu's Hakurei barrier made her a killer tank machine. Second phase of Kaguya's battle Youmu and Kasen was like "LOL NOPE!"

My comment: I BROKE THE GAME!

...wait. Youmu?!? As in, naturally low in MND Youmu? Because Kaguya is a pure magic attacker, which Youmu shouldn't be able to handle her attacks well, if at all.

Kasen, I can understand, though. Hell, Kasen would be useful for the Komachi fight, provided that you boost her SPI affinity to neutral and give her the same equips that you would of given Youmu(Kasen even has Guts to give her a 50/50 shot at surviving a lethal hit), and is faster to boot...

By the by, I have a question. Where can you find

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?

MewMewHeart · « **Reply #75 on:** August 28, 2013, 04:04:41 PM »

Quote from: Kirin no Sora on August 28, 2013, 03:54:53 PM

...wait. Youmu?!? As in, naturally low in MND Youmu? Because Kaguya is a pure magic attacker, which Youmu shouldn't be able to handle her attacks well, if at all.

Kasen, I can understand, though. Hell, Kasen would be useful for the Komachi fight, provided that you boost her SPI affinity to neutral and give her the same equips that you would of given Youmu(Kasen even has Guts to give her a 50/50 shot at surviving a lethal hit), and is faster to boot...

I switched her in after Momiji took a few beatings from Kaguya's second phase and I finished her off with Slash of Eternity since Kasen already got her regular attack in that's why they were like "LOL NOPE".

Anima Zero · « **Reply #76 on:** August 28, 2013, 04:11:23 PM »

Quote from: Kirin no Sora on August 28, 2013, 03:54:53 PM

...how many FOE's have you slain thus far? You should really check in the achievements in between trips to see if you qualify for the "FOE's Annihilation Crisis" one, as it'll grant you 80,000 yen once you get it.

Also, if you can get over 10,000 BP for a character, then you can get another achievement, "All Around an Outstanding Performance", which gives 128,000 yen for managing to pull it off.

Don't remember the exact number of FOEs I've slain, but I know it's over 10 at the very least, probably closer to 15 or so. I was going to shoot for that achievement anyways since I'll be able to snag that item I want as a result plus have some extra funds leftover to boost character stats.

That other achievement though? I'd sooner leave my game running for a grand total of 60 hours for the extra money that provides than do that one right this moment, heh.

I also need to get some achievements that give Treasure Chest Keys because I've got about 3 or 4 chests that I need them for. That or figure out where else I can get those keys, one of the two.

Kuilfrayt · « **Reply #77 on:** August 28, 2013, 04:14:04 PM »

Quote from: Kirin no Sora on August 28, 2013, 03:54:53 PM

By the by, I have a question. Where can you find
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the first Stone of Awakening
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Kirin no Sora · « **Reply #78 on:** August 28, 2013, 04:46:37 PM »

Quote from: kuilfrayt on August 28, 2013, 04:14:04 PM

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Top right of 6F, there's a stair going down to a small area to 5F which only has a chest, it's in there

Thanks for the info. By the way, I asked this because I couldn't find said info on the wiki. Figured that I should point that out.

ViciousYukkuri · « **Reply #79 on:** August 28, 2013, 07:28:18 PM »

Allow me to go off the handle about Cirno for a moment. Some :wikipedia:

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/end rant.

At least I won't have to worry about saving over anything. I backed up my saves this time, and keeping backing them up regularly.

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Pesco · « **Reply #80 on:** August 28, 2013, 07:38:29 PM »

Cirno is kinda suppose to be slot 2 for Team (9). Her skills were never really meant to do damage. As long as they did their debuff or PAR then it did its job.

MewMewHeart · « **Reply #81 on:** August 28, 2013, 08:27:16 PM »

Got Chen, Parsee, and Nitori in one go. Thankfully stock piling stuff for crafting got me Nitori early.

Fun fact: Dropping the boss for Chen recruitment's MND with Kogasa and Kasen managed to help my Marisa to pop him after he decided to finally kill my buffed up Rumia. Jerk, he deserved it although I should of taken a screenshot to show proof, I must went overboard on him.

Xarizzar · « **Reply #82 on:** August 28, 2013, 08:31:51 PM »

Quote from: ViciousYukkuri on August 28, 2013, 07:28:18 PM

Allow me to go off the handle about Cirno for a moment. Some :wikipedia:

*rant(?)*

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At least I won't have to worry about saving over anything. I backed up my saves this time, and keeping backing them up regularly.

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Oh, and her skills suck. Forgot to mention that.

She's more useless than

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O_O OK maybe, maybe not. Both of them aren't really that useful, especially after you recruit

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woghddla · « **Reply #83 on:** August 28, 2013, 08:51:12 PM »

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was actually my best character in the original labyrinth, with a higher speed than

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and burst damage intervals higher than

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(not to mention she could stay in back lane and swap out people repeatedly.) I dropped her this game, but I'm highly considering taking her back since

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ViciousYukkuri · « **Reply #84 on:** August 28, 2013, 09:06:08 PM »

The planets aligned and the stars converged. I beat Komachi...again. :toot:

Anyways, Cirno's not without a saving grace. The reduced Ice damage skill will come in handy on the following floors, especially against the Kraken (dat 8 ice hits) and the hydra leech thingie (DAMN ICE BITE). And her auto speed debuff could act as a maintenance debuff to slow the degradation of her own slow.

I know the next time I go through this game on a normal playthrough, I'm going to use Chen to see how she holds up. In the brief time I did use her last time, I thought she was pretty good; the speed self buff helps her not only lay on hits, but recover faster, too. It also served as a maintenance buff so any speed buffs you put on her don't degrade as quickly, and level out at a certain point. Combine with the new speed formula (I noticed this when super high level; when your speed is much higher than the others, you actually get to go more. That sounds obvious, but in the first game, it simply wasn't so. Something about the speed formula made it where even the 1F enemies could kinda keep up with Aya or Chen) and I think she has a lot of potential.

woghddla · « **Reply #85 on:** August 28, 2013, 09:13:51 PM »

I'm having trouble recruiting

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. Does BP work in this game like it did the last (2 per fight as long as they stay in)?
It's 300 pts for

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correct?

ViciousYukkuri · « **Reply #86 on:** August 28, 2013, 09:22:37 PM »

Quote from: woghddla on August 28, 2013, 09:13:51 PM

I'm having trouble recruiting
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Flandre
. Does BP work in this game like it did the last (2 per fight as long as they stay in)?
It's 300 pts for
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Marisa, Remi, Meiling, Patchy, and Sakuya
correct?

We're assuming that the BP system is the same, though part of me thinks you might get more per battle...

Anyway, yeah, those are the people you need. Don't forget that you also need to have killed 30 FOEs and have 60 Achievements.

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #87 on:** August 28, 2013, 09:25:41 PM »

Quote from: ViciousYukkuri on August 28, 2013, 09:06:08 PM

Combine with the new speed formula (I noticed this when super high level; when your speed is much higher than the others, you actually get to go more. That sounds obvious, but in the first game, it simply wasn't so. Something about the speed formula made it where even the 1F enemies could kinda keep up with Aya or Chen) and I think she has a lot of potential.

IIRC in Laby1, every 100 speed an enemy got, you would need to double your own speed to match up. So you needed 400 Speed to match up with 300, and 800 to match up with 400... or something crazy like that o_o

Level bonuses also seem to have WAY more sway on your stats then they did in Laby1. That Level 302 Minoriko, from my above pic? her current setup gives her almost 3000 Speed. Yeah. If you invest level bonuses in a stat, it *will* beat out that same stat on a lot of characters who don't invest in it. Anything you don't invest in will thus also likely fall short of expectations.

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MewMewHeart · « **Reply #88 on:** August 28, 2013, 09:30:54 PM »

HA! Killed Komachi on my first try by luck, THANK YOU MAG boosting item from Nitori's shop, thank you Keine ATK/MAG buff, and Rinnosuke buff for making Rumia hit 1k magic damage with Moonlight Ray. I'm pissed she got lucky with Ferriage in the Deep Fog and killed my Youmu so, I had to resort to Kasen but, then on Komachi's second phase she killed her and Guts kicked in trololololol, then to piss me off she killed Cirno and Rinnosuke, while Rumia had to recharge more MP, but then I got back at her with a buffed Kasen, muahahahahaha.

My two cents about Komachi: GAWD DAMN! :V

RegalStar · « **Reply #89 on:** August 28, 2013, 10:20:12 PM »

In LoT1 SPD works kind of like this: For value 100-200, you get its face value. Afterwards it's 2 panel SPD stat to get an actual point of SPD, until after real SPD 300 (panel SPD 400), then it becomes 3 panel SPD to get a point of SPD until real SPD 400 (panel SPD 700), then 4 panel SPD for one actual point, and so on. The database (and the bestiary page on the wiki) lists actual SPD, but the floor walkthrough pages, when mentioning notable enemies, tend to use the panel SPD they would map to.

And yeah, Cirno is damn slow in this game which is really annoying. In LoT1 she's basically the same thing, but she can actually outspeed many things, so she can multi-target PAR for slower nukes for example. In this game she is just so slow.