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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2013, 05:51:19 AM »
Suwapyon 2010 - Easy - B
Karisa - 492,715,200 - C - 0.00% - Replay

I need more consistency on some of these patterns. There's just too much of a PIV penalty for getting hit.

Also I experimented with some supergrazing on stage 1. I'm not sure how much of an effect graze has, though.

I wrote a few more notes about the gameplay mechanics here.

Suwapyon 2012 - Very Easy - B
Karisa - 3,148,081 - C - 0.00% - Replay


I decided to try the sequel, since it seemed to have a better camera angle and soundtrack, among other things. It's much more fun than the first game. At least from my impression so far.

It seems point items on Very Easy (why does this mode exist anyway?) are worth 100 points, plus 1 per 100 graze. It may seem like very little, but I think it adds up. If you can gain 1500 graze off Kogasa's and Shou's nonspells (simple enough if you don't overshoot Shou's second nonspell like I did here), times 8000 point items, it'll be worth 120,000 extra points, more than an average spell bonus.

Anyway, I had some silly spell failures here, and haven't learned a consistent method for collecting point items on stage 4 and 5 yet, so this is easily improvable by at least 300k. Iku's star spell seems like it's just surprisingly hard, though, unless there's a trick I'm missing.

Suwapyon 2012 - Very Easy - B
Karisa - 3,579,783 - C - 0.00% - Replay


Ooh, I found a glitch!

Actually, I've seen it before in... Uwabami Breakers, I think it was? But I discovered it accidentally here.

Anyway, the idea is that if you bomb a spell while it's activating, you'll still deal damage, but won't lose the spell bonus (in contrast with the official Touhou games where either you fail the spell anyway, or the bomb deals no damage after the spell begins). It's not fully utilized yet, since I wasn't always thinking about it. It's probably good to bomb as many spells as you can, though there are some places (e.g. both boss Yuyuko and Iku use 4 spells in a row) where it doesn't look possible to suicide for the bomb refill without losing a capture bonus.

Suwapyon 2012 - Very Easy - B
Karisa - 3,595,284 - C - 0.00% - Replay


Please excuse the extremely silly and costly mistake at the end. After getting hit on the final spell (cost ~130,000 from the spell bonus), I decided to stall for graze to increase the value of the final point items by a few ten-thousands, but forgot that this game's patterns time out the instant the displayed timer reaches 00 (as opposed to 1 second later). So 500 point items didn't spawn, costing an additional 142,500 points right there.

Anyway, aside from that, I think I have a decently polished scoring route for Very Easy now, that should be worth at least 3.8m without mistakes.

Edit: Fixed Very Easy PIV-- it should be 1 per 100 graze, not 1 per graze.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2014, 07:26:50 AM by Karisa »

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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2013, 06:13:32 AM »
Suwapyon 2012 - Very Easy - B
Karisa - 3,826,384 - C - 0.00% - Replay

Looks like I underestimated, as usual. Failed Iku's first spell because this was like the first time she ever aimed at me in all my attempts, so I wasn't expecting to need to dodge. Everything else was captured, though I think there were a few spells where I planned to bomb but forgot.

Suwapyon 2012 - Easy - B
Karisa - 6,666,799 - C - 0.00% - Replay

3 failed spells. The first one was from unfamiliarity with the Easy version after playing the Very Easy version (the difficulties are for the most part not that different, probably because this game's range is spread over 7 difficulties instead of 4), but the other two were rather silly (the final one was from failing to press X when I was trying to bomb).

I sort of wish there was a clear bonus for remaining lives, around the level of DDC, that way there'd be not as much incentive to spend lots of bombs on easier collection during stage portions (even still finishing with 3 lives with my current route)... well, this route will have a use for a few more bombs on Normal, at least.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2013, 07:52:07 AM by Karisa »

Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2013, 03:13:24 AM »
I decided to give the first game a try, and here's what I got so far:

Suwapyon 2010 - Easy - A
SomeGuy712x - 352,494,100 - C - 0.11% - Replay

Suwapyon 2010 - Easy - B
SomeGuy712x - 383,227,140 - C - 0.13% - Replay

Suwapyon 2010 - Normal - A
SomeGuy712x - 755,888,070 - C - 0.08% - Replay

Suwapyon 2010 - Normal - B
SomeGuy712x - 796,791,400 - C - 0.08% - Replay

Suwapyon 2010 - Extra - B
SomeGuy712x - 1,480,063,730 - C - 0.02% - Replay

I haven't 1cc-ed Extra with Shottype A yet, but I was surprised that the game let me use continues on Extra. Also, I haven't tried the other difficulties yet.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2013, 03:16:23 AM by SomeGuy712x »

Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2013, 08:15:59 PM »
Alright, I've now 1cc-ed Extra with shottype A, as well as the Hard difficulty with both shottypes:

Suwapyon 2010 - Extra - A
SomeGuy712x - 1,438,731,780 - C - 0.01% - Replay

Suwapyon 2010 - Hard - A
SomeGuy712x - 1,226,175,930 - C - 0.05% - Replay

Suwapyon 2010 - Hard - B
SomeGuy712x - 1,208,519,620 - C - 0.04% - Replay

Now I believe I just have Lunatic and "Hidden" left to play.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2013, 08:18:06 PM by SomeGuy712x »

Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2013, 03:42:53 AM »
Suwapyon 2010 - Lunatic - A
SomeGuy712x - 2,431,292,900 - C - 0.07% - Replay

Wow, that True Last Boss... Took me a few tries to beat him!

Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2013, 05:22:13 AM »
Suwapyon 2010 - Lunatic - B
SomeGuy712x - 2,347,230,280 - C - 0.09% - Replay

Had a subpar stage 1 here, but decided not to restart for some reason, and ended up going the distance.

Now all that's left is Ultra...

Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2013, 03:30:42 AM »
Suwapyon 2010 - Ultra - A
SomeGuy712x - 2,817,583,770 - TLB - 0.04% - Replay

Suwapyon 2010 - Ultra - B
SomeGuy712x - 3,406,528,890 - C - 0.09% - Replay - Video

Holy crackers! Ultra is truly insane! I don't know if I'll ever be able to 1cc it with shottype A, but at least I somehow managed to with shottype B! (Also, bombs actually HEAL the true last boss on Ultra!)

EDIT: I decided to update this post with a link to the video of my Suwako B Ultra 1cc.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2013, 08:45:23 PM by SomeGuy712x »

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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2013, 07:44:58 PM »
Nice scores everyone!

Just a quick update to the submitting format to make it consistent across all the scoreboards:

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If you have cleared the game, please label as C! If you died on Stage 7 (only applicable for Normal difficulty and above for Suwapyon 2012, Lunatic and Ultra for 2010) then please put 7.

Would people like a distinction for runs that defeat the TLB (and TTLB for 2012 Four Dimensions)? For instance, C-ALL or something similar.

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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2013, 08:12:19 PM »
Stage 7 is only applicable in the 2010 game, actually... The TLB(/TTLB) is still in stage 6 in the 2012 game.

Labeling runs that do/don't defeat the TLB in the 2012 game (the 2010 game forces it in Lunatic/Ultra 1ccs, apparently) seems fine with me... Though perhaps it should instead be whether or not you defeated the book in stage 3? That not only triggers the TLB on Normal or higher, but also triggers rainbow Patchouli in stage 3, and Lily Black in stage 4, on all difficulties.

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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2013, 09:05:07 PM »
Correcting it now. What notation would work best for signifying whether or not you defeat the book? *-H for hidden? (where * is the Stage number or C)

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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2013, 11:48:38 PM »
@Shimatora:
I'm not sure what notation would would best. Whatever others decide to go with would probably be fine by me.

Oh, and in the first post, you put:
Quote from: Shimatora
If you have cleared the game, please label as C.
If you died at the TLB or TTLB in Suwapyon 2010, please just put 6.
If you died on Stage 7 in Suwapyon 2012 (only applicable for Normal difficulty and above) then please put 7.
If you killed the book in Stage 3 in 2012, please put *-H where * is the Stage number or C.
But, I think you have mismatched info on the middle two lines there. Isn't 2010 the one that goes to stage 7, while 2012 only goes to stage 6? And, isn't 2012 the only one to have a TTLB? Or does the 2010 game have a TTLB as well? Also, is it possible to access the TLB in 2010 on difficulties below Lunatic?

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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2013, 12:56:54 AM »
I'd probably go with 3B, CB, etc (B for Book). Or perhaps even a lowercase b, like with the Cb of IN submissions, so the stage number is more prominent. It could be confused with an IN-style alternate route, but if it's explained at the top I think it'd be fine. Doesn't pretty much everyone defeat the book anyway?

And yes, the TTLB is in 2012, and stage 7 is in 2010 on Lunatic and above... and if you're pretty much saying it's always the stage number (without any difference between dying to the TLB or before it), is there much purpose to including those two lines in the first place? It might be unnecessarily confusing...

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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2013, 10:53:05 PM »
Tried to fix that half asleep haha, sorry about the confusion. Just removing the lines for now. Stage comes up in the replay save screen in any case, so it should indeed be self explanatory.

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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2013, 02:55:33 AM »
Well, I decided to go back to Easy mode in Suwapyon 2010 and see how much I could improve on my old scores, and...

Suwapyon 2010 - Easy - A
SomeGuy712x - 644,066,680 - C - 0.00% - Replay

Suwapyon 2010 - Easy - B
SomeGuy712x - 657,336,760 - C - 0.00% - Replay

...Yeah. I demolished my old scores!

Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2013, 04:46:58 AM »
Suwapyon 2010 - Extra - A
SomeGuy712x - 1,576,027,690 - C - 0.03% - Replay

Suwapyon 2010 - Extra - B
SomeGuy712x - 1,923,705,570 - C - 0.00% - Replay

I decided to go back and try improving on my old Extra scores in this game. I'm surprised I scored so well with shottype B there, especially considering the number of dumb mistakes that occurred during that run!

Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #45 on: January 01, 2014, 03:44:49 AM »
Suwapyon 2010 - Ultra - A
SomeGuy712x - 3,768,207,130 - C - 0.03% - Replay

Finally! This took me so many tries to 1cc Ultra with Suwako A for some reason. I have been practicing the later stages, but I often screw up somehow during real runs. Even in this run, I somehow took several stupid hits against Marisa and Reimu in Stage 6, and it looked as if the run was toast once again. But then, I did unusually well against Reimu's last two patterns and many of the TLB's patterns, allowing me to win in the end!

Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2014, 09:53:18 PM »
Suwapyon 2010 - Normal - B
SomeGuy712x - 1,008,639,710 - C - 0.01% slowdown - Replay (no bombs used)

Ended up achieving a new high score on the Normal difficulty (Yay, a billion!) while doing Arcorann's no manual bombing challenge for Suwapyon 2010.

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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #47 on: January 12, 2014, 06:54:32 AM »
Suwapyon 2012 - Extra - B
Soichiro - 7,148,144 - ALL - 0.00% - Screenshot Replay

Also, sorry for saying it like so, Shima, but I added the replay from my first 1cc a long time ago how did you not notice it yet? >///<
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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2014, 07:17:30 AM »
There's only a notification for post edits if it's the last post in the thread. If you make an edit in an older post, it won't be noticed-- make a new post instead.

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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #49 on: January 12, 2014, 07:38:45 AM »
There's only a notification for post edits if it's the last post in the thread. If you make an edit in an older post, it won't be noticed-- make a new post instead.

Ah, noted. Thanks!
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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2014, 06:38:18 AM »
sorry for necro
Suwapyon 2012 - Hard - B
Soichiro - 7,127,439 - ALL - 0.00% - Screenshot Replay
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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2014, 06:34:33 AM »
Forgot the screenie ;;

Suwapyon 2012 - Hard - B
PMW - 11,875,770 - ALL - 4.45% - Replay

Suwapyon 2012 - Very Easy - B
PMW - 4,862,164 - ALL - 7.53% - Replay

I kinda had a lot of stuff open when doing the very easy run, so the delay got a tad high  :( Still submitting it though, since it's a big improvement over Karisa's run but it's still very unoptimized.

Oh and forgot to mention, 5m is totally possible and shouldn't be too hard with this route.

Spoiler:
I'm going after Jaimers's ultra 17m run next huehuehue
« Last Edit: February 04, 2014, 06:38:12 AM by PMW »

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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2014, 09:56:00 AM »
Oh and forgot to mention, 5m is totally possible and shouldn't be too hard with this route.
Indeed. Thanks for finding the supergrazes.

Suwapyon 2012 - Very Easy - B
Karisa - 5,019,363 - C - 0.00% - Replay

I got confused when bombing Lunachild, resulting in one spell bombed too late (failed the bonus) and two spells not bombed at all. And in stage 6, I failed to properly suicide before Iku, then failed two of her spells. Then I took a lot of hits on Tenshi's final. I also skipped grazing Lunachild's second-to-last spell, and Tenshi's final nonspell, since I was too inconsistent on them, so the run could've finished with at least 6000 more graze. So definitely improvable by at least another 400-500k.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 11:14:54 PM by Karisa »

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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2014, 06:29:50 AM »
Suwapyon 2012 - Very Easy - B
PMW - 5,284,075 - ALL - 0.63% - Replay

I hate myself and Tenshi, mostly Tenshi.

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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2014, 02:45:56 AM »
Suwapyon 2012 - Extra - A
Soichiro - 7,108,267 - ALL - 0.00% - Screenshot Replay
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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2014, 12:39:12 AM »
sorry for necro

Suwapyon 2012 - Lunatic - B
Soichiro - 10,255,846 - ALL - 0.00% - Screenshot Replay

Fucking, FINALLY.  :justasplanned:
« Last Edit: April 07, 2014, 02:35:08 AM by Soichiro W. »
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Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2014, 10:09:46 PM »
Suwapyon 2 is now free! You might want to put that on the thread.

Suwapyon 2012 - Ultra -  B
Nwodatek - 20,890,930 - ALL - 1.40% - Replay

So scoring in this game is basically graze as much as you can? Might give Four Dimensions a try later, and maybe try scoring on a lower difficulty or Extra.

Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2014, 12:50:17 AM »
Suwapyon 2012 - Four Dimensions -  B
Nwodatek - 21,762,561 - C - 0.89% - Replay

Today I decided to give this another shot and I did it. No TTLB because, really, what the hell.

Maybe now I'll try to score on Normal or Hard, I don't know.

Also you might want to change that ALL to C on my Ultra score, I got confused with the formatting.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2014, 12:51:52 AM by Nwodatek »

Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2014, 01:03:53 AM »
In the end I decided to go for Lunatic scoring :V.

Suwapyon 2012 - Lunatic -  B
Nwodatek - 27.090.496 - C - 0.57% - Replay

First try after practicing a bit. Not a good run, I made a lot of mistakes. 30mill should be possible with this route and if you milk every pattern then the potential is even bigger. I'm not sure how worth it some spellcard capture are, it helps of course, but it seems if you milk them you get more points in the end.

Maybe I'll try to score on Extra next. That being said, I'll love to see more people trying this, since this game is now free from the developer website here: http://www.utgsoftware.net/games/suwapyon2HD/patch.htm and the game is pretty good, infact is my favourite Touhou fangame so far.

Re: Suwako no Danmaku Pyonpyon Daisansaku & Suwako-chan Cubic
« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2014, 02:24:40 AM »
I'll love to see more people trying this, since this game is now free from the developer website here: http://www.utgsoftware.net/games/suwapyon2HD/patch.htm and the game is pretty good, infact is my favourite Touhou fangame so far.

Oh, right. I did download this some time ago when I learned that it was free, but I've never made any attempt at actually playing it yet. There wouldn't happen to be an English translation for at least the main menu options available somewhere, would there?