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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2009, 06:54:19 pm »
I don't take the fandom that seriously, since anyone who does that is pretty silly. It doesn't matter what you do or where you go, there will be people who have never played the games and think fanon is canon. However, what someone said back somewhere is true: It's stupid to treat the fanbase like one big unit. I used to think most fans were all the same, but I've learned that many are quite likable (hugs you all <3).

And if nothing else, at least it's not as bad as the Fire Emblem fanbase. *shudders*
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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2009, 06:59:17 pm »
In some cases. In this case, there is and always has been one solution to this non-problem - ignore the idiots.
Tries that, it just end in the idiots keep on trashing you when he have a chance. I don't mind them continue doing it, but it is my reputation and people's view of me being trashed, eventually everyone will believe I am a xxx or xxxxxxxxxxxx.

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The only thing you can really do is report them to a mod and/or ignore them. This is pretty basic stuff.
When one are smart enough to minimize it to calling you stupid, retarded every 15 posts in a  way(or other ways) that won't give the mod enough reason to stop him or when it is not in forum.

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no one's holding a gun to your head forcing you to associate with anyone online.
Yea sure, let's give up something important to you since some jerk happen to associate or integrated into it.

Sorry, Ignore failed me, and I had gave up too much to give it up again.

I don't really know what to tell you in terms of dealing with trolls apart from "report/ignore them". But I do want to clarify that I'm not suggesting if you're being trolled you should leave a forum. What I was responding to here was the judgement that Touhou fandom has HIV, has turned to shit, etc. If a person really feels this way, why stick around in it? If I went to my neighborhood bar and it slowly became an Applebee's or TGI Fridays, I could keep going, every weekend, and complain about how awful it is or I could ... find another bar. Freedom of choice is nice like that.

I admire your desire to want to keep things on a higher plane, and I like to think MoTK is devoid of the kind of inanity you'll find on some other Touhou-related forums. This is due in part to the userbase and also to active moderation. But don't make the mistake of seeing the fanbase as Borg. This here is a nicer corner of the fanbase. Don't let the cretins on some other forums spoil the whole thing for you.

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2009, 07:00:17 pm »

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2009, 07:07:10 pm »
I'm confused, I don't really see a whole lot of idiot fans, though I'm a new fan myself I admit. Are we talking about new fans that actually create doujins and remix music and art about Touhou or something?  I wouldn't really know anything about that, I'm a fan of the games.

I don't really care for anime, though I admit that there are probably some out there that I would actually enjoy watching, probably more than some people in the world that label themselves anime fans. I simply have just chosen to not spend my free time trying out something new on watching anime rather than trying something new that I KNOW I'll enjoy (such as new games).

I'm a bit of a jaded soul here, but people are saying the internet is full of idiots, but I honestly don't really think it's any worse than humanity as a whole. Arguing on the internet really isn't any more stupid than arguing with someone that isn't directly related to you irl. But generally when I find myself arguing over the internet, my goal isn't meant to try and convince the other party that I'm right and they are wrong, but more so to point out that I'm right and they are wrong to 3rd parties that aren't really decided about the subject.

I suppose I'm rambling on randomly but really the op's post is a bit odd itself. Regardless of if you think someone is stupid or wrong or whatever though, I find alot of people have a very hard time maintaining any level of objectivity however. For example if someone you perceive to be an idiot says something, it's generally automatically assumed to be idiotic and wrong, regardless of what it says...Which in itself is dumb.

In the end however we are talking about fans over fictional entertainment. It's almost a matter of liking one color over another (speaking of which why do more people paint their cars 60s puke green, puke brown, puke orange, than something like purple? whyyy >=P ). Just enjoy the fact that there are more fans about something you appreciate, since it only supports the production levels of future products.

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2009, 07:16:07 pm »
It's really more a matter of recognizing that there are people who are faggots and people who are not faggots.  You talk about the fanbase as if it's a single monolithic thing, but individual people should be able to not associate with those they don't like.  And the suggestion that you can turn annoying idiots into people who are actually bearable by being friendly to them is pretty damn stupid.

This is just the "Us" and "Them" mentality I was talking about. I'm not saying you can solve the problem by being nice to them, I'm saying you're making it much worse by not doing so. When you act like a dick to them, they're going to take a look at themselves, take a look at you, and prefer to be the annoying weeaboos because frankly it's much better. You're not presenting them with a good alternative.

You can solve the problem by setting a good example. Don't like Touhou fan fiction? Write your own, or find someone you know is a good writer and get them into it. If the Touhou fandom isn't up to your expectations, take real measures to make it better instead of taking it out on people that have done nothing wrong.

You're kidding, right? I think you're the one taking Touhou too seriously.  I'm saying I can both like Touhou and not associate with the Touhou fans who happen to be shitheads (I'm not mean to them or nice to them, I just ignore them.)  You're saying I have to associate with these people because... why?  "Fandom" is a retarded idea, honestly.  I don't define myself by my enjoyment of Touhou and its related works any more than I do my enjoyment of baseball or drinking or listening to Chopin.

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2009, 07:27:48 pm »
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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2009, 07:38:29 pm »
Note that I argue with people even if they're incredibly stupid/delusional/arrogant just because I'm insane like that.

Also note that even if the Touhou fandom isn't entirely monolithic, we have the right amount of people for us to have only a few different places where groups of similar tastes, attitudes and opinions gather together. Whether it be /jp/, Poosh, DStyle, Shrinemaiden, Walfas, [and other japanese communities that I do not visit], these groups are how people attribute the idea of the entire Touhou fandom being similar. People who aren't interested in a subject obviously won't spend huge amounts of time in a place where the subject is talked about, and also won't spend any extra time finding other places that have differing opinions from the rest of the fans. And as such we label. Just thinking in a microcosm for a second, check the "Unread Posts" link at the top of the page. You will check certain threads for new posts and some you won't, just because you aren't that interested. It works the same, except for the fact that you see the same people elsewhere and you get a feel for their personality anyways. It's just that when others see the side in Touhou fandom where there's just a shitload of porn and perverts (which there are, you can't deny), they look away and keep that judgment. And for a fandom whose fame comes from doujin works, it's obvious to see how people can't see anything but.

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2009, 07:40:51 pm »
Sounds like something a Chopin fan would say.

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2009, 07:48:22 pm »
I do like Chopin, but many of them are too scattered for my liking. I also like some of Liszt. Feux Follets hell yeah.

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2009, 07:50:39 pm »
At these kind of moments (such as this thread now) I thank god there is NO anime of Touhou and I hope it never ever happens.

Else we would have massive outbreak of threads.

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2009, 07:50:43 pm »
Also note that even if the Touhou fandom isn't entirely monolithic, we have the right amount of people for us to have only a few different places where groups of similar tastes, attitudes and opinions gather together. Whether it be /jp/, Poosh, DStyle, Shrinemaiden, Walfas, [and other japanese communities that I do not visit], these groups are how people attribute the idea of the entire Touhou fandom being similar.

Sure, but that doesn't mean people necessarily have the same or even similar attitudes or opinions on everything.  Otherwise there wouldn't be so much petty rivalry between /jp/ and pooshlmer etc.  But naturally people who aren't fans will see it that way whether or not it's true.

Sounds like something a Chopin fan would say.

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2009, 07:53:19 pm »
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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2009, 08:01:23 pm »
Also note that even if the Touhou fandom isn't entirely monolithic, we have the right amount of people for us to have only a few different places where groups of similar tastes, attitudes and opinions gather together. Whether it be /jp/, Poosh, DStyle, Shrinemaiden, Walfas, [and other japanese communities that I do not visit], these groups are how people attribute the idea of the entire Touhou fandom being similar.

Sure, but that doesn't mean people necessarily have the same or even similar attitudes or opinions on everything.  Otherwise there wouldn't be so much petty rivalry between /jp/ and pooshlmer etc.  But naturally people who aren't fans will see it that way whether or not it's true.

Sounds like something a Chopin fan would say.

I thought the rivalry was from /jp/ gettin trolled by some idiot using Touhou pictures more than different tastes. /b/ doesn't seem to mind Touhou so much, well the little of it that was posted there at the time. >.>; /a/ doesn't like Touhou neither, but I'm sure it's more from that troll than them not liking the series.

(Umm...why was my post sandwiched into that quote I made?)
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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2009, 08:07:25 pm »
Also note that even if the Touhou fandom isn't entirely monolithic, we have the right amount of people for us to have only a few different places where groups of similar tastes, attitudes and opinions gather together. Whether it be /jp/, Poosh, DStyle, Shrinemaiden, Walfas, [and other japanese communities that I do not visit], these groups are how people attribute the idea of the entire Touhou fandom being similar.

Sure, but that doesn't mean people necessarily have the same or even similar attitudes or opinions on everything.  Otherwise there wouldn't be so much petty rivalry between /jp/ and pooshlmer etc.  But naturally people who aren't fans will see it that way whether or not it's true.
Well yeah. I meant it as the different groups have different opinions, which is why Poosh and /jp/ naturally don't get along (even though picking apart 4chan takes a hell of a lot more thought, whatever). The point was that other people who aren't involved with Touhou don't see the difference, or even check the different groups to begin with. In reality the span between the different groups is extraordinarily large (partly due to the lack of canon material).

but wait that's what you're saying too though
i hate it when people reiterate what you're saying in a quote it makes it feel like an argument

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2009, 08:08:27 pm »
I thought the rivalry was from /jp/ gettin trolled by some idiot using Touhou pictures more than different tastes. /b/ doesn't seem to mind Touhou so much, well the little of it that was posted there at the time. >.>; /a/ doesn't like Touhou neither, but I'm sure it's more from that troll than them not liking the series.

My understanding was that /jp/ is the split-off part of /a/ that likes Touhou and visual novels and stuff like that, so that makes sense.  As for the rivalry thing, who knows.  SERIOUS BUSINESS and all that.

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2009, 08:09:42 pm »
Also note that even if the Touhou fandom isn't entirely monolithic, we have the right amount of people for us to have only a few different places where groups of similar tastes, attitudes and opinions gather together. Whether it be /jp/, Poosh, DStyle, Shrinemaiden, Walfas, [and other japanese communities that I do not visit], these groups are how people attribute the idea of the entire Touhou fandom being similar.

Sure, but that doesn't mean people necessarily have the same or even similar attitudes or opinions on everything.  Otherwise there wouldn't be so much petty rivalry between /jp/ and pooshlmer etc.  But naturally people who aren't fans will see it that way whether or not it's true.
Well yeah. I meant it as the different groups have different opinions, which is why Poosh and /jp/ naturally don't get along (even though picking apart 4chan takes a hell of a lot more thought, whatever). The point was that other people who aren't involved with Touhou don't see the difference, or even check the different groups to begin with. In reality the span between the different groups is extraordinarily large (partly due to the lack of canon material).

but wait that's what you're saying too though
i hate it when people reiterate what you're saying in a quote it makes it feel like an argument

I see that now, sorry about that.  I thought we were disagreeing at first.

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2009, 08:10:26 pm »
agh please don't make me psychoanalyze the relations between poosh and /jp/

i'm begging you

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2009, 08:15:52 pm »
It's probably a waste of time anyway, unless you like analyzing silly Internet fights

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2009, 08:27:20 pm »
You know who else liked to analyze fights?

That's right.

Adolf Hitler.

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2009, 08:51:15 pm »
oh no i am a nazi

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #51 on: July 23, 2009, 09:41:05 pm »
oh no i am a nazi

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #52 on: July 23, 2009, 10:00:46 pm »
I am not uu-, but with that flaw aside I'm pretty impressed with his contribution.

The Touhou Fandom has rapidly deteriorated to shit over the last few years, end of discussion.
I think I've read (and occasionally said) the same thing virtually everywhere I've gone on the Internet.  *sheds single tear for everyone I've ever known, everywhere*

The very definition of Touhou fanon is that it shouldn't be taken seriously, and that doing so will only make you look goofy (see: Suika's density manipulation explained through real-world physics).  The people who are in the Touhou community are having fun in whatever way floats their respective boats, and even if people think it's juvenile - sometimes it is! - let them have their fun.  Beneath everything else, entertainment is the whole point, after all.

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2009, 10:24:20 pm »
Actually a lot of the time we only try explaining things that are impossible just because we know it's impossible to explain. Like you said, entertainment. Except I'm totally inverting what you're saying.

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #54 on: July 23, 2009, 10:26:33 pm »
In some cases. In this case, there is and always has been one solution to this non-problem - ignore the idiots. They can't be reasoned with, they certainly can't be shouted down, either, because they thrive on it. The only thing you can really do is report them to a mod and/or ignore them. This is pretty basic stuff.

I'm sorry, but this seems like a pretty pointless thread overall. You've discovered there are idiots on the internet. Alright. Sorry you think the "fanbase" has the equivalent of HIV, but as was said earlier, the fanbase isn't some monolithic entity. And if you think that most Touhou fans are, in fact, idiots, well, no one's holding a gun to your head forcing you to associate with anyone online.



Although I DO think that most Touhou fans are idiots. Always try to keep myself open for positive surprises but not really expecting them often.


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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #55 on: July 23, 2009, 11:37:29 pm »
There's nothing wrong with this thread. There's nothing wrong with talking about problems or potential problems. People hold that talking about "drama" causes more "drama" when the exact opposite is true in real life, nothing ever gets resolved by ignoring it.

In some cases. In this case, there is and always has been one solution to this non-problem - ignore the idiots. They can't be reasoned with, they certainly can't be shouted down, either, because they thrive on it. The only thing you can really do is report them to a mod and/or ignore them. This is pretty basic stuff.

I'm sorry, but this seems like a pretty pointless thread overall. You've discovered there are idiots on the internet. Alright. Sorry you think the "fanbase" has the equivalent of HIV, but as was said earlier, the fanbase isn't some monolithic entity. And if you think that most Touhou fans are, in fact, idiots, well, no one's holding a gun to your head forcing you to associate with anyone online.

Modern "trolls" keep going regardless of whether you ignore them or not because they're so convinced they're getting an IRL reaction regardless. You know Chris-Chan didn't react to Encyclopedia Dramatica for about 8 months, but they kept at him until they drove him insane.
Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #56 on: July 23, 2009, 11:38:38 pm »
It's really more a matter of recognizing that there are people who are faggots and people who are not faggots.  You talk about the fanbase as if it's a single monolithic thing, but individual people should be able to not associate with those they don't like.  And the suggestion that you can turn annoying idiots into people who are actually bearable by being friendly to them is pretty damn stupid.

This is just the "Us" and "Them" mentality I was talking about. I'm not saying you can solve the problem by being nice to them, I'm saying you're making it much worse by not doing so. When you act like a dick to them, they're going to take a look at themselves, take a look at you, and prefer to be the annoying weeaboos because frankly it's much better. You're not presenting them with a good alternative.

You can solve the problem by setting a good example. Don't like Touhou fan fiction? Write your own, or find someone you know is a good writer and get them into it. If the Touhou fandom isn't up to your expectations, take real measures to make it better instead of taking it out on people that have done nothing wrong.

You're kidding, right? I think you're the one taking Touhou too seriously.  I'm saying I can both like Touhou and not associate with the Touhou fans who happen to be shitheads (I'm not mean to them or nice to them, I just ignore them.)  You're saying I have to associate with these people because... why?  "Fandom" is a retarded idea, honestly.  I don't define myself by my enjoyment of Touhou and its related works any more than I do my enjoyment of baseball or drinking or listening to Chopin.

It's not whether or not you actively associate them, it's your caustic attitude towards them that doesn't help.

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2009, 12:51:43 am »
Modern "trolls" keep going regardless of whether you ignore them or not because they're so convinced they're getting an IRL reaction regardless. You know Chris-Chan didn't react to Encyclopedia Dramatica for about 8 months, but they kept at him until they drove him insane.

Very wrong. I remember quite well seeing the original thread in /v/ when they first started trolling him. It started with a person in 4chan's /v/ talking with him, I don't remember the specifics, but his reaction towards learning about the thread was what helped spark them to continue. They wrote an ED article and he created an account to try and modify said page. They fed off of that and continued. and et cetra. That 8 months that he didn't mess with ED, him and the trolls were going at it at other places, action and reaction.

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2009, 12:59:36 am »
It's not whether or not you actively associate with them, it's your witty attitude towards them that doesn't help.
That doesn't help what, exactly?

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Re: Do people take the Touhou fanbase too seriously?
« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2009, 01:09:24 am »
You know Chris-Chan didn't react to Encyclopedia Dramatica for about 8 months, but they kept at him until they drove him insane.

I haven't clicked on ED since 2006, so I'll take your word for it. Still, I think there's wisdom in what VileLasagna said about laughing off troll abuse. Sometimes the troll ends up being decent, sometimes they just move on. It sucks when you're singled out for special treatment from one of them, definitely, and if the moderators aren't doing their job at whatever forum this happening then I don't know what to tell you, really. I have, though, walked away from one or two forums that I felt had deteriorated into pits of fail, and found that - surprise! - the internet is a pretty big place and you can find better homes out there.

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