Author Topic: Possibly-crazy stuff that you still haven't noticed until now (Read 126996 times)

AxiamWolfe · « **Reply #150 on:** September 06, 2011, 01:18:25 PM »

Quote from: Zil on September 05, 2011, 11:06:25 PM

EoSD - Compare the beggining of Eastern Dream to the part of Septette thats starts at 1:23 - it's very similar but slower.
PCB - I thought Sakura Sakura and Japanize dream were the same song "Sakura Sakura ~ Japanize Dream" Anyway, in "Sakura Sakura ~ Japanize Dream", at :30 you can hear a piano-ish melody in the background. This sounds very similar to "Bloom Nobly, Cherry Blossoms of Sumizome ~ Border of Life" at 1:05.
IN - This one I'm unsure about. Basically the piano in the beggining of Eternal Dream ~ Mystic Maple is "kind of" like the fast intro part of Lunatic Princess. But not really. I would note, however, that there are two final bosses, and that Mokou's theme has some similarity to Kaguya's. (They start kind of softly, then shift into a fast repetative intro) Otherwise idk, IN is just wierd.
PoFV - The intros to Another Dream and Eiki's theme are vaguely similar. Another Dream has a three note repetition at :29. Eiki's theme does the same thing at :50.
MoF - You agreed to that one earlier.
SA - Compare Future Dream at :22 to Nuclear Fusion at :50. Otherwise its more in the "feel" rather than direct similarity.
UFO - You agreed with that one too.
TD - No idea, unfamiliar with the soundtrack.

Clearly, some of these are just vaguely similar, but still the similarities are close enough (imo, anyway) Also I'm not familiar with Fairy Wars, if that even counts.
Sorry about the late reply I've had no internet access.

I can sort of get where you're coming from, and yes I agree with you noting the thematic similarity, which seems to be a trend for ZUN especially in the post-MoF games. However, there aren't really explicit links between the Stage 6 boss' themes and the Staff Roll/Credits themes. (Nitpicking, but the Ending themes are a different thing altogether.)

Some of the melodies and note progression do sound similar, but they are not the same thing. If anything, this looks like a case of seeing patterns that aren't there (there's a word for it too: Apophenia. Who knew?)
In fact, I had a similar experience some time ago trying to find the "Touhou Theme" (the note progression in every single Menu Theme since EoSD (minus Hisoutensoku?) ) in the Stage 6 boss themes. This happened after I noticed how obvious these notes were in the main melodies of Miko and Mamizou's themes, as well as in Kaguya and Eirin's. needless to say there weren't any results elsewhere.

A few other things to point out:
IN - Mystic Maple is in fact based on PoDD's ending theme, Maple Dream. Imagine my surprise when I cleared PoDD the first time.
GFW - Has no Staff Roll theme, but the Ending theme is a slower verion of the Menu theme.

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GFW - Has no Staff Roll theme

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Possibly-crazy stuff that you still haven't noticed until now

Just realised that GFW has no Staff Roll at all

. I've cleared it a number of times already and yet I've never actually noticed it.

7TC7 · « **Reply #151 on:** September 06, 2011, 02:09:38 PM »

Quote from: AxiamWolfe on September 06, 2011, 01:18:25 PM

Just realised that GFW has no Staff Roll at all . I've cleared it a number of times already and yet I've never actually noticed it.

It's kinda ironic, considering this is probably the one game where the credits wouldn't just say:

- Everything -
ZUN

Aba Matindesu! · « **Reply #152 on:** September 07, 2011, 02:56:24 PM »

On the topic of screen themes, this is pretty obvious: the fighting games have their own unique title screen ditty, sans IaMP IIRC.

XephyrEnigma · « **Reply #153 on:** September 07, 2011, 03:23:18 PM »

Quote from: Evans in Blunderland on September 07, 2011, 02:56:24 PM

On the topic of screen themes, this is pretty obvious: the fighting games have their own unique title screen ditty, sans IaMP IIRC.

IaMP had it's own title theme too, and it got remixed as 12.3's Character Select theme.

Zil · « **Reply #154 on:** September 09, 2011, 01:44:38 AM »

Not 100% about this, but I believe the background in Rika's picture in the SoEW Extra stage is the same mountain-ish thing that can be seen inside the "Five Magic Stones" in stage 3

Paper Conan · « **Reply #155 on:** September 09, 2011, 02:30:44 AM »

That white silhouette in the Hisoutensoku loading screen is actually

Spoiler:

...

Savory · « **Reply #156 on:** September 09, 2011, 04:32:00 PM »

The fairies in the final stage of Ten Desires act the same way as they do in PoFV. Shoot them and you'll activate a chain reaction with the spirits that trail behind them.

Drake · « **Reply #157 on:** September 09, 2011, 05:38:28 PM »

That's kind of key to getting the last spirits. I really hope people have noticed it.

haydude · « **Reply #158 on:** September 09, 2011, 09:32:13 PM »

It is impossible to even lower Nitori's midboss health gauge, even with Marisa B glitch.

AxiamWolfe · « **Reply #159 on:** September 10, 2011, 04:29:04 AM »

Quote from: Savory on September 09, 2011, 04:32:00 PM

The fairies in the final stage of Ten Desires act the same way as they do in PoFV. Shoot them and you'll activate a chain reaction with the spirits that trail behind them.

Technically it's not so much of a chain reaction as it is the trail disintegrating (leaving no items/divine spirits) the moment the fairy is killed.

Turns out Sanae's 10D bomb homes towards the boss. It'll go downwards if you're above her.

Also, Futo's last card's last phase on lunatic (when there are only blue amulets and the red rice streams are gone) can be activated on lower difficulties by dying and or bombing. I remember it happening to me a few times on normal.

Paper Conan · « **Reply #160 on:** September 10, 2011, 04:48:55 AM »

Quote from: AxiamWolfe on September 10, 2011, 04:29:04 AM

Turns out Sanae's 10D bomb homes towards the boss. It'll go downwards if you're above her.

The bosses can also safe-spot her spellcard (trololo) by staying in the middle of her spinning pentagram, too.

Chronojet ⚙ Dragon · « **Reply #161 on:** September 10, 2011, 08:03:24 PM »

The reason why Yuyuko in TD has one extra spellcard at the end is because the midboss does not have any spellcards at all.

Paper Conan · « **Reply #162 on:** September 10, 2011, 08:45:59 PM »

85% of Kogasa fanart is borderline-NSFW. Those legs.

Sonae · « **Reply #163 on:** September 11, 2011, 12:34:56 AM »

Sakuya's apron in PoFV has roman numerals along the bottom of it.

Savory · « **Reply #164 on:** September 11, 2011, 01:01:34 AM »

-Meiling mentions a jiang-shi to Yuyuko in Hisoutensoku.
-Yuyuko appears in a game with a jiang-shi in Ten Desires.

XephyrEnigma · « **Reply #165 on:** September 12, 2011, 09:29:32 PM »

You can only run one of any Touhou game at a time. (well, shooters and photogs anyway, idk about fighters)

Agent of the BSoD · « **Reply #166 on:** September 13, 2011, 12:15:04 AM »

Quote from: スカーレットの兄弟-XephyrEnigma on September 12, 2011, 09:29:32 PM

You can only run one of any Touhou game at a time. (well, shooters and photogs anyway, idk about fighters)

The fighters seem to ignore each other, so they always run together fine. As for the regular touhou games, you can run more than one at a time, it just depends on the game. (I can run PCB and IN together fine, but not IN and PoFV) Can't tell exactly why, since the log error that shows up is in Japanese.

joelcll · « **Reply #167 on:** September 13, 2011, 01:01:48 AM »

Quote from: haydude on September 09, 2011, 09:32:13 PM

It is impossible to even lower Nitori's midboss health gauge, even with Marisa B glitch.

:wat: what? when?

Miko speaks during her fight, and when Futo and Toziko are summoned, they do too.
If someone hadn't noticed that.

Chronojet ⚙ Dragon · « **Reply #168 on:** September 13, 2011, 01:13:50 AM »

Quote from: joelcll on September 13, 2011, 01:01:48 AM

Miko speaks during her fight, and when Futo and Toziko are summoned, they do too.

I thought she only speaks after her summoning spell card?

GenericTouhouFailure · « **Reply #169 on:** September 14, 2011, 09:53:51 AM »

Quote from: Mewkyuu on September 13, 2011, 01:13:50 AM

I thought she only speaks after her summoning spell card?

Well the previous comment didn't say that she spoke during her spell card, it's just that it's easily misinterpreted that way.

Also every new character in 10D except the final and extra boss appear twice in the main game's storyline.

You can safespot the first wave of Danmaku bounded field by standing at the default position.

You have to bombrush kogasa in stage 3 of 10D in order to get the bonus fairies that will drop a life piece each. (Kogasa drops 2 life pieces and the other two fairies drop one each, makes it perfect to spam trance.)

All the recurring characters in PoFV were never final or extra bosses. The exception? Yuuka (Except she's also technically a stage 5 boss)
looks like zun doesn't like spoiling people, but then again, we have in 10D extra

Spoiler:

Miko's 3rd nonspell on lunatic breaks the bullet cap

Helix ⑨ · « **Reply #170 on:** September 15, 2011, 12:59:40 PM »

You can charge your shot with youmu while in trance mode.

Katierou · « **Reply #171 on:** September 16, 2011, 03:48:38 AM »

In Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, aside from the player characters, only Sakuya has a Japanese name. Incidentally, Remilia named her, so her original name may have been something other than Japanese. (Is it just me, or do I get kind of a Japanophile vibe from Remi? So maybe that is the case. :V) Similarly, Perfect Cherry Blossom is comprised of mostly foreign names... Youmu and Yuyuko seem to have been named that way since the beginning, but Yukari named herself and Ran. Oh, I guess you can count Fairy Wars, too, with only Marisa having a Japanese name (and the Marisa part of that name could go either way). Non-Japanese names steadily decline after that to a point where even the Chinese Seiga uses the Japanese pronunciation of her name. Goodness, maybe I'm looking into names a bit too much...

Yuyuko freaks out if you get right next to her in her first non-spell. This is in Normal Mode and is not altered in any way. Kaguya does something similar in one of her non-spells, but I can't time it right to get a screenshot, sorry. (Possibly others do this, too? I've tested on a few other bosses and haven't found anything yet.) Amusingly, both of them are considered princesses, so it might have something to do with being improper and getting too close to them. Or they just don't like it.

I'm not sure if either of those have any real significance; sorry if they don't!

Drake · « **Reply #172 on:** September 16, 2011, 04:52:33 AM »

The second is generally due to the possibility of safespotting the patterns otherwise. Tewi does it too.

Chronojet ⚙ Dragon · « **Reply #173 on:** September 16, 2011, 05:48:05 AM »

A lot of Danmakufu users like to do the same thing, but very badly. Yeah, covering up blindspots like so is usually not a good thing.

Zengar Zombolt · « **Reply #174 on:** September 16, 2011, 05:48:55 AM »

Huh, didn't know that PCB also had anti-shotgunning measures. Nifty.

Chronojet ⚙ Dragon · « **Reply #175 on:** September 16, 2011, 05:58:01 AM »

Now imagine if TD had such an attack... Uh-oh.

Wolfsbane706 · « **Reply #176 on:** September 16, 2011, 07:38:00 AM »

Remilia's theme has a distinctive Mexican feel to it.

Sonae · « **Reply #177 on:** September 17, 2011, 11:28:15 PM »

Reimu's 'eyes' image above her name in IaMP has dark red eyes, while her portrait has blue.
Alice's eyes are blue in her sprite, but they're green in her portrait

Polaris · « **Reply #178 on:** September 18, 2011, 12:23:04 AM »

Yuyuko carries a lantern in her IN portrait. This is the same lantern that Youmu comes to retrieve from Kourindou in CoLA chapter 13. :O

Molten · « **Reply #179 on:** September 19, 2011, 05:36:08 AM »

I just noticed that Marisa's theme in Imperishable Night is the same as in Story of Eastern Wonderland.