Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: GAME OVER, ROLES WIN!

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Logic only works on those who are sane.

But the voices in my head tell me that my sanity is perfectly fine.

What are you looking for serial killer?!  Vig?!  I don't do that!

I think you're a janitor or something.

Anyway, capt. h pulled himself into a parallel dimension or something, and everybody has already said anything I'd want to say about Schezo, so let's move on from those.

Bledibleh: So, uh, thoughts on Schezo now? As well as thoughts on the game in general would be nice.

[UncertainJakutten]

The Twelfth "Steel Ball Run" Vote Count

Lady LambdaDelta (0)
Omba (0)
Zakeri (0)
ActionDan (0)
PX (0)
capt.h (0)
Schezo (5): PX, Dormio, LLD, Omba, Affinity
Kitten4U (0)
Shadoweh (0)
Dormio (1): Shadoweh
Affinity (0)
Edible (0)

Not Voting (6): Edible,  Schezo, ActionDan, Capt. h, Zakeri, Kitten4U

Schezo is at L-2
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Game Day Four Ends at 1:00 AM, EDT, Sunday

[Affinity]

{This is a correction of my previous post)

We certainly do need a flip of some sort, and given K4U's gambit and all that pretend scumhunting he attempted (as me and others have raised), I'm pretty much okay with lynching him too.  I would prefer it if the lynch happened sooner rather than later though, given the nightless setup.

I don't like capt.h's dropping of Omha's case, given that between here and here. Omha and Schezo did not say anything.  As I raised earlier, there are other oddities like capt.h seeming to agree with Omba's case and yet called it strange anyway. 

capt.h also calls Schezo out on 'misrepresenting him' regarding backtracking' and voting him because of this when I have accused him of the same thing regarding Omba hereI.  Other similarities include both pounding on Omha and dropping her bad reasons.  While I usually do nott entertain pairing people before flips, their relations are far too obvious.  Seeing that capt.h has been pretty much sitting back and passively giving terse answers lately after his claim, I would like him to answer the above (but I doubt that it would do any good).

If Schezo flips scum, than capt.h should be lynched immediately in my opinion.  It seems too much of a bus attempt on top of the individually scummy things they have done so far, which is why I want Schezo's flip as soon as possible.  So yeah.

[capt. h]

Schezo?s roleclaim in 236 used a point system, came less than an hour before the deadline, and didn?t contain any of the flavor of his role. The lack of flavor in his claim implies to me that he treated the two as independent, which he followed up upon by reminding us how the flavor means nothing . Furthermore, by waiting as long as he did, Schezo was able to prevent a lynch from occurring while we digested his role claim. While two point system roles is plausible, Schezo?s point values seems somewhat arbitrary, and his claim came after my own. One could argue that he took my claim as a template for his own claim.

Since then he has not shared any cases, and even told us he wouldn?t in his 295. He doesn?t seem to have any fear about town not knowing his reads. Schezo, even though you are the most likely lynch, it doesn?t mean the game ends with your lynch. Town can still win even in the grave. Why aren?t you helping town find scum?

I?ve been weighing the Schezo case for a while Affinity, and it took me a long time to decide that having null reads isn?t as scummy as I thought it was. Schezo hasn?t been playing in the interest of town. He?s been deliberately uncooperative and his play yesterday stalled out a free scum kill.  He's the most likely scum.

[Edible]

Mafia on the weekends = Edible isn't usually around much, for those unaware.

My only real complaint at this point re: Schezo-lynch after the unvote/revote and the great reaction to a fake vig (rofl k4u) is the speed at which his wagon formed yesterday.  That said, too much rides on the result of his flip right now, so I'd like to see him lynched myself.

Also:

So Schezo's scum. Do we want to get his lynch overwith today? I think points-wise it would be better for us to wait two more days before throwing his ass out. I'm still certain scum will get another kill immediately after a lynch. The only real thing stopping us will be townie tedium waiting two days to see his red mugshot.

Final Note: I think that scum are going to gain their kill every 72 hours OR after a lynch. So... I think we should be looking into lynching before another 72 hours go around. That's something I could see happening.

From this, are you tentatively planning on a Sunday night/Monday morning lynch?  I should be available at those times, at least - though I do insist on lynching before another 72 hour period passes, if scum has a 72-hour timer.

Back later.

[Shadoweh]

My only real complaint at this point re: Schezo-lynch after the unvote/revote and the great reaction to a fake vig (rofl k4u) is the speed at which his wagon formed yesterday.  That said, too much rides on the result of his flip right now, so I'd like to see him lynched myself.

That's kind of like complaining about the speed of a wagon on someone who just claimed scum. It would be harder to find reasons NOT to vote him. There's no way in hell we're taking any MORE then Day 6 to lynch, the only question we're having is how much less we want to take to not get bored.

That being said, Schezo, my parrot believes you could just have horrible reaction time. The way you're selfishly keeping your reads to yourself isn't convincing me of anything but your scumminess. It sounds like you got something against LLD so do share with the class. The worst that happens is you become confirmed town because you're dead and we all look like idiots for lynching you, right? You'll never learn to look townie as town if you don't try this hunting thing.

Dan: So you're saying the reason you're treating capt.h's claim like he claimed vanilla town is because it sounds like a scum claim? Fair enough, it goes with your pushing his lynch. Let's say that I went to sleep, and while I was gone everyone decided to lynch Kitten4u for being too cute. I would Govern that lynch right there for being dumb. It also explains why the day doesn't end the moment someone is lynched, to give time to govern.

Question to everyone, out of curiousity, and I'm pretty sure this won't give away powers. capt.h claimed Governor. Does anyone else have a regular role name like that? I know I don't, Serp didn't, and Schezo claimed Repeater, which doesn't sound like doctor to me. I reallllly don't think they're scum together.

Still mad at Dormio. Still laser staring at Lady Tunneldelta. Not that the rest of you are making me any happier. Let's play pretend! Schezo was magically vigged for real reals! Mysterious circimstances took away his body before we could see his flip! Who is scum now?

[WHMZakeri]

I'm going to step in here real quick and say that due to the way his role works, I believe Schezo's roleclaim. In fact, I'd even go as far as to say that I disbelieve Capt.H's role on the basis of it working once every 3 days. I think Capt H is lying about what his role actually is.

[Shadoweh]

...Why?

[WHMZakeri]

Because my role runs off of the exact same mechanics Schezo's does, right down to the number of game days that have to pass before I can activate it.

[Kitten4u]

Still reading, but I feel like I should answer this.

Does anyone else have a regular role name like that?

Yes, my role name is normal.  You would be able to tell exactly what I do once I flip.  There's even an entry on the MafiaScum Wiki about it using the exact name.

[Omba]

Because my role runs off of the exact same mechanics Schezo's does, right down to the number of game days that have to pass before I can activate it.

Fun fact: I can use my role every 3 days. Exact same point thingy.

Shadoweh: Normal role name here, too.

[capt. h]

Finished my readthroughs of Dormio And Edible:

Dormio doesn't talk about Schezo much prior to day 4. On day 4, his primary concerns with Schezo are the believability of Schezo's role. Now there are two statements I find particularly strange about Dormio's role speculation - post 227, where Dormio tells us Another one bites the dust is a delayed kill, and post 300, where he says

I think you're a janitor or something.

I don't know much about flavor, so could you expand on why you made these comments? In addition, other than your reads on flavor and role, you haven't made a case on Schezo. It's understandable since you're main lynch was me until Schezo stalled out the day, but I would very much like to hear what you think about Schezo outside of his role claim. I find your current play to be suspicious.

On Edible: I can't read him right now. I find his distinction between gotcha-games and scum-slips jarring and hyper-opportunistic. I also know he's incredibly anti-town in every game I've ever seen him in, and in spite of it I have never seen him play scum. I find his unexplained clear of me confusing, but the fact that it's unexplained is logical because I don't think he's would give players a defense to hide behind - too many outs for scum. What would you conclude if Schezo flipped scum? And what would you think if he flipped town? I'm leaning on suspicious, but currently undecided.

[WHMZakeri]

At the question posed: No, My role name is "Town Badass". I don't think it give away anything about what my role does, or any of the other flavor my role gives me.

Noting Omba's point in my reading. I'll try to avoid biasing myself against Capt.H on that point.

(I would say reread, but that's assuming I've already read most of the game before now).

[ActionDan]

At the moment..  I still don't have the time necessary to post more than answer shadoweh's basic question:  Yes, I have a reconizable role name.. but I am not sure why everyone posting answering the question is saying more than that.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

DRUNKEN MOTKTOWN KARAOKE IS OVER.
Which means I can post again.

I don't know much about flavor, so could you expand on why you made these comments?

Because I have three examples where the character's ability matches up with the claimed ability.
Cyborg Nazi Serp, Dimension switching capt. h, and myself.
I suspect that Schezo has a janitor-esque ability because his character likes to use his bombs to hide his kills.

you haven't made a case on Schezo.

Because I have nothing further to add on the cases that everyone else had other than that I don't believe the roleclaim.
Outside of the roleclaim, need I repeat what everybody else and their mother has already said?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Of course, the janitor is complete speculation, all I know is that I don't believe that Schezo is a "Repeater" (Doc).

[ActionDan]

Wait when did "Repeater" = "Doc"  :wat:

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

When he claimed that he protected his target for four days from kills and the like.

[UncertainJakutten]

The Thirteenth "Beginning of Day Five" Vote Count

Mod Note: No prods needed, yay! Also, ActionDan may be V/LA for the next 2ish days.

Lady LambdaDelta (0)
Omba (0)
Zakeri (0)
ActionDan (0)
PX (0)
capt.h (0)
Schezo (5): PX, Dormio, LLD, Omba, Affinity
Kitten4U (0)
Shadoweh (0)
Dormio (1): Shadoweh
Affinity (0)
Edible (0)

Not Voting (6): Edible,  Schezo, ActionDan, Capt. h, Zakeri, Kitten4U

Schezo is at L-2
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Game Day Five Ends at 1:00 AM, EDT, Monday

[Shadoweh]

Mrr, well that answers my question then, let's not turn this into Day 1 massclaim please. ^^; I still think it would be unbelievable for capt.h and Schezo to be scum together. I'm also annoyed at anyone that wasn't on a wagon at the end of Day 3. Zak, PX, You didn't comment on the confusion when it was happening, why were you taking it easy on other people? Edible, you were here, and you seemed to express suspicion of Schezo, why didn't you join us?

[PX]

I was in the middle of reading Schezo when suddenly Serp died!

[Shadoweh]

Yes, I gathered that. We wanted to make the decision before the day ended though. Did you not want to lynch either of them before that clock ticked 1?

[PX]

Answer

[Kitten4u]

GUESS WHO GOT DISTRACTED BY DRUNK KARAOKE!  I'm about ready to pass out, so I hope this is readable.
orz

Alright.  I'm going to be operating under a few assumptions:
1.) Schezo is mafia
2.) Serpentaruis was killed by mafia
3.) capt. h is town

I'm pretty sure #2 won't have much bearing on anything, but I figured I would mention it anyway.

PX, Zak and Edible had better impress me today.  They all look awful right now.  Zak needs to answer Serp's question about why he wanted to vote follow Shadoweh.  He didn't mention Schezo at all unless I missed it.  PX is looking pretty active-lurky and only made off-hand comments about Schezo.  I'm irritated that Edible was on, but didn't switch to either capth or Schezo.  Especially since there was a counter-claim situation; it was very unlikely that both of them were town.  All three of them have been pretty lazy scum-hunting wise as well, so they had better impress me today or I will fakevig them too.  In terms of townieness Zakeri > Edible > PX

If there is scum on Schezo's wagon it is either Omba or LLD.  Both their votes are rather unimpressive.  Omba's is a pretty blatant wagon hop for no apparent reason.  LLD left herself plenty of opportunity to switch to capth if it came down to it.  The question on "why scum would want to lynch a miller" wasn't a question Schezo asked; it was Serp.  You know, the townie that just died.  However, because they are what made Schezo a viable lynch yesterday I don't consider them a priority right now.  I shall be watching though.  In terms of townieness LLD > Omba

As for capth's wagon itself, I don't think Dormio and Affinity look too bad.  Dan on the other hand looks terrible.  He tied up the wagons, his reasons were parroty, he waffled on Schezo a bit...uh yeah.  In terms of towniness Affinity = Dormio > Dan

Overall, I think Dan is the worst.  I'm perfectly fine with going after PX, Zak and Edible.  I might be able to be convinced into lynching Omba.

##Vote ActionDan

[Shadoweh]

Oh right I guess I should address Omba's concern about the kill. Town vigs tend to target people who look like scum. If a town vig thought it was a good idea to shoot freaking Serp yesterday I will punch them in the throat the moment they claim for being a dumbass.

[Affinity]

While I agree that they cannot be both town, I still don't buy why capt.h is town if Schezo is scum despite the verifiable roleclaims, but oh well.  capt.h has merely rehashed his points against Schezo without answering my questions about the weirdness behind his actions, so I guess I'm still convinced that he's scum.

I suggest that we should lynch Schezo immediately to gain some information on how the game works, since we aren't sure whether scum is running by time or by when town lynches someone.  At least, that's my opinion.

[Shadoweh]

I don't really think we should bother lynching for the information when quite a few people's roles seem to be so point heavy. In any case, Affinity, you're definitely one of the people I'd like to express opinions on the other players. You haven't mentioned anyone besides capt.h and Schezo for a really long time. There is technically a possibility they are both scum. The odds do not favor it, and we should at least check other options.

Responding directly to every post, I feel like Protoman again. ;-; Must.. slow.. down..

[ActionDan]

Quickly I answer Dormio:

I thought his protect protects from everything, lynches included.  I'm trying to avoid V/LA status for as long as I can but I don't think I can do that anymore T_T.

Kitten has been noted.

[Affinity]

@Shadoweh: I'm quite sure myself (though not for complete certainty) that capt.h and Schezo being scum together is more than a technical possibility; the content of each other's posts seem to confirm the other as scum as I raised above.  I personally don't really see why the odds don't favor that despite their claims.  Heck, they are even collectively ignoring my questions.  As for information, I want to know whether the NK system is affected by duration or town lynches, and I think that's quite seperate from roles.  We are taking far too long to make our own flips.

On other players, much of the later game days have been about people doing a laughing track on Schezo's comedy of failures, chipping in rather obvious and neutral stuff that don't really matter.  The Schezo thing has also made the specific early-game actions of many irrelevant (e.g LLD's spat with Dormio, Omba's vote on Edible (to some extent), Dan's, all of Zak and all of Edible), so practically most of the players alive today can only be judged by three criteria, did they vote Schezo/capt.h, why, and where? 

The more obvious ones include Dan agreeing (or independently finding out) with what I said about Schezo here, only to forget about it and put capt.h in the lead anyway here, and come back to Schezo after K4Us gambit.  Also notable is how Omba just jumped in and voted Schezo without any earlier ceremony, or how Edible, PX and Zak did not do anything about the Schezo wagon or the capt.h one.  This is actually only completely useful after flips, which is again, why I want Schezo's flip to be revealed as fast as possible, before going into detail.

[Kitten4u]

I wouldn't mind just lynching him around the 48 hour mark.  If people haven't posted something useful/substantial by then (except for maybe Dan who seems to have an excuse) then they're probably lurkscum anyway.