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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #240 on: May 20, 2011, 08:12:13 AM »
> Add:
> "If K would consider working with me, I can get everyone to accept the gems as a new currency until we get the main problem figured out with minimum hassle and disruption."
> Also, trying to reason with Oni. You guys.  :3

>You try add this, but you're quickly drowned out by a wave of "What! Rabbits?!" and the like.
>Oni can be quite reasonable. These ones seem to be rather agitated.

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #241 on: May 20, 2011, 08:50:49 AM »
New possible idea: Let the thing break out into a riot. It'll subside quickly enough once everyone's unconscious, and we'll be able to do our business unimpeded.

Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #242 on: May 20, 2011, 12:12:14 PM »
Have you ever seen a riot? Those are not pretty: property destroyed, things on fire, people hurt, sheer pandemonium. And that's just with humans: imagine how it would be with a race that are many times stronger, tougher, and with a known history of responding to insult with injury.

And don't bother using the argument of "oh, they're oni, they fight all the time, it'll just let them loose steam". No, it won't. It's not a random bar fight where they just beat up on each other, maybe break a few walls, but everything turns out well in the end. They won't be fighting each other, mostly, they will be concentrating on the focus of their problems: Deva K. Her home will be wrecked, and then they'll march out, looking for her, destroying more things (including possibly our precious bar, which we now don't really have any resources to pay for the repairs, not without trying to set up some sort of trade), and running into more people, either adding them to their riot or taking them out.

What's worse is that we don't know if there'll be any sort of policing force to keep them contained or even disperse them: we know K is not here, and we have no idea where Yuugi is.

So, when the riot ends, one of the first things K will try to do is figure out just how the riot started, and it will come back to us, thanks to us discussing the whole rabbit issue with several of the oni, and the like. You think K will be impressed with us after that? You think she'll really want to listen to us about the gem barter scheme?

And speaking of which, the riot forming to go after K is the better solution: what if they decide to teach those rabbits a lesson? Congratulations, Nue, you've just started a war between the oni and everyone aboveground.

What we need to do now is at least attempt crowd control: if it works, then the oni may disperse, and K's lackey will be grateful to us. If it doesn't, well, we'll at least have that deniability that you've been wanting so much.

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #243 on: May 20, 2011, 12:37:02 PM »
Have you ever seen a riot? [...]
What we need to do now is at least attempt crowd control: if it works, then the oni may disperse, and K's lackey will be grateful to us. If it doesn't, well, we'll at least have that deniability that you've been wanting so much.

Don't look at me, I wasn't the one with the bright idea to go blabbing about the rabbits. Also, you haven't presented a way to stop the riot, so less ironic eye-rolling at me, thank you very much. That said:

> Fly up just above the lackey, yell at the top of our lungs at crowd:
> "Hey, chuckleheads! We got this! For time being, I'm accepting those stones you've got as cash for booze, with discount, and it's staying that way until problems are fixed! Just let K alone so she can figure stuff out!"

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #244 on: May 20, 2011, 01:16:22 PM »
Don't look at me, I wasn't the one with the bright idea to go blabbing about the rabbits. Also, you haven't presented a way to stop the riot, so less ironic eye-rolling at me, thank you very much. That said:

> Fly up just above the lackey, yell at the top of our lungs at crowd:
> "Hey, chuckleheads! We got this! For time being, I'm accepting those stones you've got as cash for booze, with discount, and it's staying that way until problems are fixed! Just let K alone so she can figure stuff out!"
What?  No.
> Don't do or say this.
We're kinda trying to leave and solve a problem, not sit around the bar all day.

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #245 on: May 20, 2011, 01:23:29 PM »
What?  No.
> Don't do or say this.
We're kinda trying to leave and solve a problem, not sit around the bar all day.

Yeah, the problem that will only be solved by getting the mob out of here. The rabbits aren't going anywhere.

> Do do and say this.

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #246 on: May 20, 2011, 02:09:16 PM »
Yeah, the problem that will only be solved by getting the mob out of here. The rabbits aren't going anywhere.

> Do do and say this.
And then you're going to have a crew of oni that will overrun the pub and prevent us from going anywhere since we're going to have to make good on our promise to serve them!

We've told the lackey to give K our message, hanging out around here more is just a serious waste of time that could be better spent doing a multitude of things. 
  • We need to go back to the pub anyway and get some spell cards, as well as anything else we might need.
  • There's a good chance K actually isn't there.  Why would a Deva be cowering and hiding in her home at a time like this?  She's probably out actively hunting down leads now and the lackey has no idea where she could possibly be besides "out"
  • We're going to get very little information from the oni here, and messing with them more is just going to lead to future headaches.  Why do we need to be collecting gems anyway?  If we're trying to make money off of this incident then there have to be better ways than pinning ourselves to the bar and not being able to investigate this incident.
  • Chances are also high that most of the oni rabble that makes up the city will be equally unhelpful, but there maybe one or two in the rabble that know something.  Even with this, I still think we should focus on talking to the following people first: Parsee (to see if she noticed anyone entering last night), Satori (assuming Nue doesn't know the full extent of Satori's power we could ask if she detected anything weird last night), K (IF WE RUN INTO HER ONLY).
  • Yuugi is going to have enough problems dealing with this as well so I'd prefer to avoid her entirely.  Even if we come across her, it may be viewed as disrespectful to tell her about our problem instead of K since we're paying protection money to K
  • Beyond that, we need to get to the surface quickly since rabbits and people who know them live up there moreso than down here.



> Inventory
> How far are we from the pub?

We should really head back first and get all our stuff prepared.  Hell, us just leaving abruptly might be enough to cause some of the oni to leave.

EDIT: Removed my "don't do this".  I really think riling them up for drink is a horrible plan and will be a huge mess though.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2011, 02:11:58 PM by Rin Kagamine »

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #247 on: May 20, 2011, 02:22:24 PM »
Beyond that, we need to get to the surface quickly since rabbits and people who know them live up there moreso than down here.

I don't see where the haste is coming from. The rabbits aren't going anywhere. The most important problem on our hands is the oni mob. Riling them up for a drink might tie us down for the rest of the day, but it will also keep them off rioting for a while longer. Not only that, but it will also move a respectable amount of the gem volume in this city into our direct control, from where we can more easily work on the economy with K and Yuugi.

[fakeedit] That word filter. Whose bright idea was it, and how can I make it stop?

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #248 on: May 20, 2011, 02:40:08 PM »
I don't see where the haste is coming from. The rabbits aren't going anywhere. The most important problem on our hands is the oni mob. Riling them up for a drink might tie us down for the rest of the day, but it will also keep them off rioting for a while longer. Not only that, but it will also move a respectable amount of the gem volume in this city into our direct control, from where we can more easily work on ~*~~*~~*~the economy~*~~*~~*~ with K and Yuugi.

[fakeedit] That word filter. Whose bright idea was it, and how can I make it stop?
Firstly, how in the world is the oni mob our problem?  It was already around before we got there and there are most assuredly others in the city right now and will be more throughout the day.  We aren't the oni police.  As for the haste, the theft occurred sometime "last night" which could have only been a few hours ago.  We should pursue the rabbit trail while it's still hot, giving it any time to cool and we could find ourselves having to do far more work than we had to.  The quicker we move, the better chance we have of catching someone unprepared for something (like hiding an incredibly heavy amount of money).  In addition, unlike the underground, the surface tends to shut down at night.  We can always come back down here anytime, but we're wasting daylight.  Putting us in a position stuck at the bar all day will make solving the incident that much harder.  Having a mountain of jewels is worthless without the cash to back it.  Double also, why do we have to fix the economy anyway?  I don't recall it being broken earlier?

Plus, this same thing could be happening on the surface!  We should go investigate!

EDIT: One rabbit jacked the entire village in one night?  Highly doubtful and there's probably something else going on.

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> How do we compare to Yuugi strength-wise?  Not physically, but in danmaku.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2011, 02:45:55 PM by Rin Kagamine »

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #249 on: May 20, 2011, 02:48:32 PM »
Parser notice the command in previous post

No more edits in that post:
People want to hear an explanation from K.  They got jacked and are rightfully upset and want to personally voice that concern.  Short of getting K to actually tell them something personally, they're not going to calm down easily.  Do you want to waste the day dealing with drunken angry oni?

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #250 on: May 20, 2011, 02:50:31 PM »
> Fly up just above the lackey, yell at the top of our lungs at crowd:
> "Hey, chuckleheads! We got this! For time being, I'm accepting those stones you've got as cash for booze, with discount, and it's staying that way until problems are fixed! Just let K alone so she can figure stuff out!"

>Do do this.

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #251 on: May 20, 2011, 02:51:33 PM »
>Do do this.
What exactly are you planning to do in the short-term anyway?

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #252 on: May 20, 2011, 03:02:23 PM »
Think about it. Money is quite clearly not what the culprit's after here. If it was, she (I'm assuming it's a female because, well, Touhou) wouldn't have left the gems. Which leaves two posibilities I can think of. First is that the culprit wants the cash for something other than money, and I don't think that's likely, since she could just sell the gems (unless time is an issue or something). The second, and much more likely, possibility is that the gems themselves are the point of this. I expect that they're enchanted somehow, and, well, whatever their purpose is, they were spread throughout the entire city. Which tells me that they need to be spread out for whatever their purpose is, and thus getting as many as we can in one place may very well be a good idea. Also, the more of them we have, the more potential information we could discover about them. Either way, getting as many of the gems as we can is probably a good idea. Yes, even if it takes all day.

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #253 on: May 20, 2011, 03:15:08 PM »
So why not get the gems examined first?  Any enchantment is bound to present itself under examination.  It has the added bonus of not taking all day. 

The oni currently have no money and only have the "rocks" that only have value because we said they did.  Do you really think they'll readily give them up just for drink?  Beyond drink, if you're trying to merely collect gems then there is probably an easier way than "stand at the bar all day"

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #254 on: May 20, 2011, 03:25:21 PM »
The oni currently have no money and only have the "rocks" that only have value because we said they did.  Do you really think they'll readily give them up just for drink?  Beyond drink, if you're trying to merely collect gems then there is probably an easier way than "stand at the bar all day"

Uhm, they think the rocks are worthless and they're angry oni. I think they WILL give them up for booze >.> Besides, this is Nue. We haven't lost any monetary value, why not take advantage of the situation and make a whole bunch of profit?

Edit: And if someone argues against ripping the oni off just think of it as market economy :3 From their point of view they'd be ripping us off by trading worthless rocks for tasty alcohol.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2011, 03:28:35 PM by Shadoweh »


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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #255 on: May 20, 2011, 03:34:38 PM »
Uhm, they think the rocks are worthless and they're angry oni. I think they WILL give them up for booze >.> Besides, this is Nue. We haven't lost any monetary value, why not take advantage of the situation and make a whole bunch of profit?
I like to think they're more concerned about getting their money back than about drink.

Even still, what are we going to do with all the gems?  No matter how many we manage to get they're going to be useless with cash to back them.  Once we manage to recover all the stolen cash we're going to have to return all the cash the oni lost (leaving us with a mountain of stones that the economy isn't prepared to buy) unless you feel like explaining to every single oni why you're not paying them all their money back.

If the gems are enchanted then we're not going to want to sell them (I imagine) and then we're in the hole on unpaid for drink.

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #256 on: May 20, 2011, 03:40:12 PM »
Gosh, just leave already and get on with finding the culprit, who the hell cares about a random mob of oni anyway, better stay out of their way, they are a mob of angry oni for goddess' sake.

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #257 on: May 20, 2011, 03:44:15 PM »
OK before bed let me just get all my thoughts together.
  • I think sticking around the Underground today will be a waste of time if all we're trying to do is collect gems.
  • I think heading topside should be a priority because we can not only get the gems inspected but we can also see if this is spread throughout Gensokyo or just confined to the Underground.
  • I think that finding the money should be a higher priority than obtaining gems.  If we can locate the missing money, we can return it to the oni in exchange for 100% of the gems without wasting a single drop of drink.

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #258 on: May 20, 2011, 03:50:39 PM »
Even still, what are we going to do with all the gems?  No matter how many we manage to get they're going to be useless with cash to back them.  Once we manage to recover all the stolen cash we're going to have to return all the cash the oni lost (leaving us with a mountain of stones that the economy isn't prepared to buy) unless you feel like explaining to every single oni why you're not paying them all their money back.
Why would we have to give them money for things they traded to us fairly for booze again? That's strangely honest of you. We haven't checked if there's cash above ground yet. There's no way we can get every single gem from every single oni in the underground with one tavern's booze anyways. I was thinking we would make a profit off of them later when things return to normal. Don't be in such a rush, take it easy!

Also Rinnosuke likes gems more then monies. ^.^


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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #259 on: May 20, 2011, 04:18:34 PM »
Why would we have to give them money for things they traded to us fairly for booze again? That's strangely honest of you.
You said yourself they see them as worthless.  Good luck explaining to all of them they actually were worth real money and they just pissed away everything they had on drink using "worthless stones".

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #260 on: May 20, 2011, 04:23:00 PM »
Yeah, the oni are going to want their money back regardless of whether or not they give us the gems. They consider the gems worthless, remember. To them, there wasn't an exchange, only theft. So yeah, we'll be giving them their money back. And, hell, they probably won't want the gems, so they'd probably be willing to just give the things to us when we return their money.


Anyways, let's do this:

>"Right, I said what I have to say."
>To the guard: "Might be a good idea to have people keep tabs until we have the money back."
>Get out of there. Deva K's people pprobably know how to handle a crowd of angry oni much better than we do; we'd likely just get in the way.
>Return to the tavern.

Yes, I changed my mind on what course of action to take.

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #261 on: May 20, 2011, 04:50:34 PM »
  We should pursue the rabbit trail while it's still hot

I am amused that I predicted this turn of phrase occurring and here it is. No. The trail cannot get cold, as we know exactly who to pursue. Moreover, it's not as if they can flee the country. A day here or there is meaningless.

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Having a mountain of jewels is worthless without the cash to back it.

Do you, uh, know how money works? What you said is literally the opposite of what happens in real life. Jewels are such a potent form of currency because of how well they last, and their almost direct representation of the amount of skilled work that went into them. To further my point, the parser has explicitly said that there is a mint down here, as well as topside. If a whole bunch of money went missing, it literally does not matter, because more can be made.

Finally:
Firstly, how in the world is the oni mob our problem?

Because we can solve it. Your words: if it breaks into a riot, there will be far more property damage than you'd be willing to deal with. Boozing them up prevents that.

[edit] Oh, right, final point. We don't have to actually mind the bar. We can get our regular stand-ins to deal with everything, and go off gallivanting god-knows-where. Hear that, people? We can make an exorbitant mountain of money and not lift a finger.
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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #262 on: May 20, 2011, 05:18:59 PM »
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I am amused that I predicted this turn of phrase occurring and here it is. No. The trail cannot get cold, as we know exactly who to pursue. Moreover, it's not as if they can flee the country. A day here or there is meaningless.
I actually wanted to say "Follow the white rabbit" but decided it wasn't worth it.  The problem is that we don't know who to follow aside from "a rabbit" and going by how Eientei is presented in past quests it's full of rabbits that look an awful lot like Tewi.  Besides, we have absolutely no proof that it's Tewi besides a witness saying "rabbit in pink dress".  If we know who it is, why not go capture them and end this quickly?

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Do you, uh, know how money works? What you said is literally the opposite of what happens in real life. Jewels are such a potent form of currency because of how well they last, and their almost direct representation of the amount of skilled work that went into them. To further my point, the parser has explicitly said that there is a mint down here, as well as topside. If a whole bunch of money went missing, it literally does not matter, because more can be made.
Firstly, gems have no set and agreed upon value unlike precious metals.  Secondly my point wasn't a commentary on economics, it was literally "If we acquire so many gemstones, we'll have to find a buyer for them when we need cash, we won't just be able to exchange our entire stockpile straight across for cash."

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Finally:
Because we can solve it. Your words: if it breaks into a riot, there will be far more property damage than you'd be willing to deal with. Boozing them up prevents that.
I never said that, much less anything about a riot.

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[edit] Oh, right, final point. We don't have to actually mind the bar. We can get our regular stand-ins to deal with everything, and go off gallivanting god-knows-where. Hear that, people? We can make an exorbitant mountain of money and not lift a finger.
What regular stand-ins?  We don't have any, unless you're talking about someone from the Myouren crew?  They're on the surface last I checked, which I am all in favor of going to. 

Also, we wouldn't make any money, we'd make gemstones and lose out on liquor at a loss which we would have to use cash to replace, meaning we'd have to actually go out there and solve this incident.

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #263 on: May 20, 2011, 05:27:35 PM »
I actually wanted to say "Follow the white rabbit" but decided it wasn't worth it.  The problem is that we don't know who to follow aside from "a rabbit" and going by how Eientei is presented in past quests it's full of rabbits that look an awful lot like Tewi.  Besides, we have absolutely no proof that it's Tewi besides a witness saying "rabbit in pink dress".  If we know who it is, why not go capture them and end this quickly?
Because we have opportunity now and it doesn't knock twice! Eientei and it's rabbits are seriously not going anywhere. We can also use getting all the onis in our bar, drinking and talking to comb THEM for rumors or anyone they might have seen who doesn't fit in. There's no reason to rush off. Some of us don't think Tewi is responsible after all.
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What regular stand-ins?  We don't have any, unless you're talking about someone from the Myouren crew?  They're on the surface last I checked, which I am all in favor of going to.
>You have a couple of regular contacts who watch the market for you, feeding you information on prices and surpluses in exchange for cheap drinks. When you have to leave the pub while it's open, you usually put one of them in charge or a regular you trust; it's a pretty rare occurrence.

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Also, we wouldn't make any money, we'd make gemstones and lose out on liquor at a loss which we would have to use cash to replace, meaning we'd have to actually go out there and solve this incident.
We'd make gemstones at a gain and can solve the incident after we take in some shinies. :P


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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #264 on: May 20, 2011, 05:29:15 PM »
Firstly, gems have no set and agreed upon value unlike precious metals.  Secondly my point wasn't a commentary on economics, it was literally "If we acquire so many gemstones, we'll have to find a buyer for them when we need cash, we won't just be able to exchange our entire stockpile straight across for cash."

Yes they do. They quite certainly do. By size, grain, quality of cut, purity. Otherwise the gem trade wouldn't be quite so popular, don't you think? And we don't need a buyer. Once we've accumulated that many gems in exchange for perishable stock, we've got a large amount of economic control. With K on our side - which is why I was so adamant about getting to her - we can jump-start the subterranean economy using gems as base of currency, have the mint make a whole bunch more metal coin, and roll in the cash.

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I never said that, much less anything about a riot.

You're right. It was somebody else.

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What regular stand-ins?  We don't have any, unless you're talking about someone from the Myouren crew?

Pretty sure the parser mentioned in the introductions that we get the occasional someone to stand in at the bar when we're out or somesuch. This seems like an eminently sensible idea in the first place even if it were not mentioned, so I'll go on the assumption that we have.

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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #265 on: May 20, 2011, 05:41:22 PM »
Because we have opportunity now and it doesn't knock twice! Eientei and it's rabbits are seriously not going anywhere. We can also use getting all the onis in our bar, drinking and talking to comb THEM for rumors or anyone they might have seen who doesn't fit in. There's no reason to rush off. Some of us don't think Tewi is responsible after all.

We'd make gemstones at a gain and can solve the incident after we take in some shinies. :P
How do you know it's Eientei?  How do you know it's even a rabbit?  You're right, we have the perfect opportunity now that we may not get again, so let's investigate!  I never said Tewi was responsible, I never even said it was a rabbit.  I can't say one way or another without actually getting out and looking.

How would we make them at a gain?  If we're treating them like cash and selling drink at a discount, then we'd be making less money than by selling at full price.  I can totally understand wanting to collect the stones once we know something about them, but until then time would be better spent hunting for clues and solving the incident than collecting gems.

When we come back nothing will have changed Underground.  The oni will still have gems instead of money and they'll still be upset as a result and the Devas will still be busy looking into it.  If anything can wait it's the collecting of gems.

Yes they do. They quite certainly do. By size, grain, quality of cut, purity. Otherwise the gem trade wouldn't be quite so popular, don't you think? And we don't need a buyer. Once we've accumulated that many gems in exchange for perishable stock, we've got a large amount of economic control. With K on our side - which is why I was so adamant about getting to her - we can jump-start the subterranean economy using gems as base of currency, have the mint make a whole bunch more metal coin, and roll in the cash.

You're right. It was somebody else.

Pretty sure the parser mentioned in the introductions that we get the occasional someone to stand in at the bar when we're out or somesuch. This seems like an eminently sensible idea in the first place even if it were not mentioned, so I'll go on the assumption that we have.
Gold is traded on a set price by weight.  There are several different classifications to take into account with gems before pricing.  As a result there is no international set of official guidelines for pricing and no one trades or banks on the speculations for the prices of diamonds or emeralds.  That's my point. 

How would you have any economic control?  Nue is the only person in the Underground that sees gems as valuable, the other oni see them as worthless.  You'd have to introduce an entirely new economic system to the oni, a new system wherein the wealthiest person is not an oni and in fact set up this entire new economic system in order to establish themselves at the top.  That seems incredibly underhanded and dishonest to me and I doubt the oni will take kindly to the idea at all.

It was on the second page, but yes.  When we have to leave the bar very briefly during operating hours, we have someone stand in.  No one runs the bar open to close except us.  Further, I'm sure that most of our regulars are in a similar situation.  "Hey, I know that you think all your money is gone, but believe me when I say it isn't!  Now be a dear and go run the bar?  Kissies!"
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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #266 on: May 20, 2011, 05:59:41 PM »
>Don't jump on anything yet, especially calling a gang of angry oni "chuckleheads"
Re: Planning, situational awareness, Fightest not being careful with language

>Are oni more or less rambunctious when liquored up?
Re: Whether getting them drunk will make the problem better or worse i.e. whether the offering them drinks solution would by any good at all

>How frequent are riots/gang fights in the city, and how significant are the consequences?
Re: Whether an oni riot would actually be unusual or cause lasting damage compared to normal behavior in the oni city

>Do we have any idea whether it's possible to hire (de facto) mercenaries on the surface, and/or how quickly such people could be mustered?
Re: Whether waiting to investigate would make it more difficult: even if the rabbit can't really 'go anywhere,' they CAN use more time to make further investigation more difficult, so time IS still important. A single rabbit with all the currency in Gensokyo could very well mean having to fight through a half-dozen people to get to them.

>Is the ancient city a libertarian paradise
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Also, a theory:

- In Reisen Quest, Reisen overpowered/defeated Golden Silver by taking its power source - four hyper-powerful magical gems
- In Maribel Quest, Golden Silver was melted down into currency
- Currency is being replaced by gems: Is this Reisen's fault, directly or indirectly?
Alternative suspects: The magician's group Iku helped set up (from when I still followed that) since it includes Maribel who knows about the melting down, or the Lunarians since they're related to Reisen and less scrupulous than Eintei.
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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #267 on: May 20, 2011, 06:13:58 PM »
How do you know it's Eientei?  How do you know it's even a rabbit?

Uh, seriously? Ahem:

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"...Well ain't that a thing," she says, frowning deeply. "Zoggin' burglars. Roit, you're paid up, this is what I know. Last night, some rabbit type in a pink dress invited herself in,

That good enough for you?

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How would we make them at a gain?  If we're treating them like cash and selling drink at a discount, then we'd be making less money than by selling at full price.

We're not making at an improved gain under normal circumstances. However, monetary value just crashed, and we're the only institution in the city that's declared that we're still accepting what the oni count as worthless resources. We have a magnificent capacity to sell our wares, and the discount need only be cosmetic.

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Gold is traded on a set price by weight.  There are several different classifications to take into account with gems before pricing.  As a result there is no international set of official guidelines for pricing and no one trades or banks on the speculations for the prices of diamonds or emeralds.  That's my point.

And yet gems are a first option for trade on the black market. Gems do have classification, but jewelers will be able to come to a single consensus on any given gemstone, making gems' strength as a monetary baseline irrefutable. The only reason precious metals are used more frequently is due to ease of processing.

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How would you have any economic control?  Nue is the only person in the Underground that sees gems as valuable, the other oni see them as worthless.  You'd have to introduce an entirely new economic system to the oni, a new system wherein the wealthiest person is not an oni and in fact set up this entire new economic system in order to establish themselves at the top.  That seems incredibly underhanded and dishonest to me and I doubt the oni will take kindly to the idea at all.

First of all, it's entirely above-board. This is as straightforward a maneuver as they come. If you think it's underhanded, that's your (incorrect) prerogative. As regards the gems, it's a bit more convoluted, but still legal: we set the economy with K using gems as the baseline, get coin minted, graciously donate our stock of gems to the brand-new state treasury in exchange for state favour. State, of course, as defined by K's protection racket.

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When we have to leave the bar very briefly during operating hours, we have someone stand in.  No one runs the bar open to close except us.  Further, I'm sure that most of our regulars are in a similar situation.  "Hey, I know that you think all your money is gone, but believe me when I say it isn't!  Now be a dear and go run the bar?  Kissies!"

Well, it's time to adapt. Keep the regulars employed until we have no more customers in the rush, and pay them in booze. I'm sure they'll agree just fine.

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Re: Planning, situational awareness, Fightest not being careful with language

They're literally demons. I'm sure that it'd take a lot more to hurt their feelings.
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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #268 on: May 20, 2011, 06:17:01 PM »
Well, we're not going to learn anything by staying around here all day. And fightest, as I said, we can get the gems easily once we find the money; they're worthless to the oni, so I'm sure that most of the oni (there'll probably be some who want to keep a stone or two) will hand them over without complaint once we return their cash (and then we can sell them aboveground, as long as we're careful not to flood the market. A much easier and less risky way to make a shitload of cash, if you ask me). So let's head back to the tavern, grab our spellcards and some more of the gems (just in case having them ends up being useful; always good to be prepared), and get to looking for the culprit.
 
And fightest, that's not enough to prove it was a rabbit who did this. It's nothing more than a lead to follow, and may even be a red herring, although it's certainly worth checking out. So let's get to the checking out.
 
 
So again:
 
>"Right, I said what I have to say."
>To the guard: "Might be a good idea to have people keep tabs until we have the money back."
>Get out of there. Deva K's people probably know how to handle a crowd of angry oni much better than we do; we'd likely just get in the way.
>Return to the tavern.
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Re: Nue Quest: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #269 on: May 20, 2011, 06:36:41 PM »
So am I the only one that thinks the gems ARE the money and all the money underground was transmuted into gems? >.>


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