Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever

[ふとくていなねこじょおう]

I agree with both Ruro and triangles. Hitomi wasn't a good friend. That ultimatum and the tone she spoke to Sayaka in were really harsh, and not something a real friend would do. Indeed, she was doing it to reduce the guilt of confessing first.

Being shot down by the guy she likes so much must've been painful for Sayaka, if it did indeed happen in another timeline. It wouldn't surprise me that she turned into a witch anyway even without knowing what it meant to be a magical girl beforehand.

[Alfred F. Jones]

This is all overlooking the very real possibility that even if Sayaka made a move first it would have ended any differently.

No, it isn't. I deleted this from my first post, but I guess I can say it now: How it would have ended is immaterial, Sayaka would have been rejected anyway. The only difference being that having her simply not have the spine to tell Kyousuke is more tragic, since it puts the blame squarely on her shoulders (as opposed to having been rejected and then being able to blame Kyousuke or Hitomi).

Being shot down by the guy she likes so much must've been painful for Sayaka, if it did indeed happen in another timeline. It wouldn't surprise me that she turned into a witch anyway even without knowing what it meant to be a magical girl beforehand.

I know! Even though I think Sayaka's a goddamn moron, I can't help but think that if only she hadn't contracted by that point, then she would have worn dark clothing, sat in her candle-lit room, and written bad emo poetry with the words "rainy" "soul" "miasma" in every sentence while listening to Evanescence whilst she got over it like normal overemotional teenage girls do, and been totally fine a week later. Truly, tragedy is all about timing.

[ふとくていなねこじょおう]

I know! Even though I think Sayaka's a goddamn moron, I can't help but think that if only she hadn't contracted by that point, then she would have worn dark clothing, sat in her candle-lit room, and written bad emo poetry with the words "rainy" "soul" "miasma" in every sentence while listening to Evanescence whilst she got over it like normal overemotional teenage girls do, and been totally fine a week later. Truly, tragedy is all about timing.

But think about it, had she not contracted Madoka would've died in H.N. Elly (Kristen)'s hands...claws...whatever it is she had, and that timeline would have to be repeated once more. There was simply no way Sayaka, or any of the girls for that matter, could have possibly escaped her fate of becoming a magical girl because the events of each timeline lead to it happening, which is the saddest part of this whole series.

[Tamer Anode/Cathode]

Well, the fact that a lot of what happened to Sayaka was self-inflicted was what made her so tragic as a character.

At its core, Madoka Magica's about the collision between several flawed characters who encountered the supernatural in the wrong place at the wrong time. Each of the girls wound up making mistakes that harmed themselves and others, either out of ignorance or selfishness.

[Alfred F. Jones]

There was simply no way Sayaka, or any of the girls for that matter, could have possibly escaped her fate of becoming a magical girl because the events of each timeline lead to it happening, which is the saddest part of this whole series.

Didn't Urobuchi or Shinbo or someone outright state that Sayaka is doomed in every single timeline she contracts in, period? As much as I loathe Sayaka for a multitude of reasons, I will always admit that she really gets screwed over by fate, apparently just for the sheer hell of it. You have heard how it was confirmed that the Grief Seed Madoka uses to cleanse Homura's Soul Gem at the end of timeline #3 was Sayaka's/Oktavia's? Which reeks to me of Urobuchi just rubbing salt in the wounds for gratuitous tears, but it's not like it's an ineffective move.

Also:

Also, Hitomi was kissed by a witch prior to her coming to Sayaka about Kyosuke. I wonder if being freed from the kiss is what made Hitomi decide to confront Sayaka, and how she felt about doing so before the kiss.

It would be interesting to learn if there aren't residual effects to the Witch's Kiss. That would be pretty neat.

[Zengar Zombolt]

Gonna throw this. IIRC It was mentioned on a staff interview or something akin to that that Kyousuke can't see Sayaka as a woman, but only as a peer/friend. So no, she would have no chance whatsoever with him. Which leads to what can be called a constant source of crushing grief on all timelines.

[ふとくていなねこじょおう]

You have heard how it was confirmed that the Grief Seed Madoka uses to cleanse Homura's Soul Gem at the end of timeline #3 was Sayaka's/Oktavia's? Which reeks to me of Urobuchi just rubbing salt in the wounds for gratuitous tears, but it's not like it's an ineffective move.

Goddamit, Urobochi.  :V

[Hello Purvis]

So. I've been watching this lately (up to Episode 6), and I've ignored this whole thread to avoid spoilers. But it's interesting what expectations do to one.

For instance, the show is supposed to be horribly depressing by every measure I understand. So this left me expecting that everyone would suffer long, drawn out, Oedipus-like accumulations of everything going wrong and horrible. Then Mami...for lack of better terms, gets hit by a bus. As in, shit comes out of nowhere in the space of a few seconds. And I laughed in my soul for this unexpected twist. And this is for a character I rather liked.

Also: Madoka needs to be better about getting people's digits, goddamn. Two times now, she needed to call for help and just didn't have the number.

[Paper Conan]

Also: Madoka needs to be better about getting people's digits, goddamn. Two times now, she needed to call for help and just didn't have the number.

Exactly what I was thinking. xD

[Alfred F. Jones]

Then Mami...for lack of better terms, gets hit by a bus. As in, shit comes out of nowhere in the space of a few seconds. And I laughed in my soul for this unexpected twist. And this is for a character I rather liked.

I find that the best, non-spoilery euphemism for this is that "Mami gets very little screentime in this series".

[ふとくていなねこじょおう]

I find that the best, non-spoilery euphemism for this is that "Mami gets very little screentime in this series".

I should use that in the future.  :V

[Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin]

Wonder how easy it'd be to find someone who, at this point, hasn't been spoilered in advance. :V

[Suikama]

I find that the best, non-spoilery euphemism for this is that "Mami gets very little screentime in this series".

"When it comes to screentime, Mami just can't get ahead"

[ふとくていなねこじょおう]

"When it comes to screentime, Mami just can't get ahead"

...........................

You're a horrible, horrible person.

 :getdown:

[Hello Purvis]

Wonder how easy it'd be to find someone who, at this point, hasn't been spoilered in advance. :V

I'm relatively clean. I know general themes (Shit is going to go downhill and Fuck you Kyubee), but almost no specifics.

But it's fun what expectations of even general stuff can do to ruin things. My reaction to Mami would have been vastly different had I not had expectations. Had I not know it's supposed to be a depressing series, my reaction would have been "Wait...what? They actually did that? Holy shit." There were a few little cues that there's more to Kyubee than meets the eye, and Mami really was setting herself up. But without foreknowledge, I would not have expected what happened at all. As it stands, I expected much worse.

[Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin]

I meant specifically about Mami's death, but yeah. I'm kind of feeling like it's an "Aerith dies" thing for other reasons, too.

[Hello Purvis]

It'll get there. But I managed to play FFVII without knowing about Aeris, either.  ...Back in 1999.

Also series finished. I'm pleased.

[n i c o l e]

Wonder how easy it'd be to find someone who, at this point, hasn't been spoilered in advance. :V

\o I've avoided spoilers. all I know is things ~get worse~ but that's vague enough and was obvious to me when I read about it.
I wanted to finish it today but I've been sick all day smh so I've spent most of my time in bed.

[Widermelonz]

I watched it while it was airing, but spoilers were still a problem. Then I just went "fuck it, I'll watch it the moment it airs. I don't need to wait for subs" and oh boy I was glad I did that.

Madoka is absolutely fantastic if you go into it fresh. But if you encounter spoilers, that's going to tarnish the experience.

[Prody]

You're a horrible, horrible person.

Just some old random trivia on nico:

Spoiler:

It is offically known that Mamitta (マミった) or to Mamiru (マミる) means to have your head cut off. So no matter what media on nico you view, as long as someone gets decapicitated in any way, someone is likely to point this out.

[Hello Purvis]

I am going to be laughing at that for awhile.

[ふとくていなねこじょおう]

Just some old random trivia on nico:

Spoiler:

It is offically known that Mamitta (マミった) or to Mamiru (マミる) means to have your head cut off. So no matter what media on nico you view, as long as someone gets decapicitated in any way, someone is likely to point this out.

 :V

She was doomed even before the series started.

[Paper Conan]

I'll be keeping this persona for a while.
[Minor episode 10 spoilers]

[Mеа]

I'll be keeping this persona for a while.
[Minor episode 10 spoilers]

"WHAT!? MAMI'S ALIVE AGAIN!!?"

[Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin]

"I don't think 'again' is the right word ..."

[Zengar Zombolt]

OST VOLUME 3 IS AWESOME.
<Miki-Sayaka> IT'S BEAUTIFUL ;_;

[Paper Conan]

OST VOLUME 3 IS AWESOME.
<Miki-Sayaka> IT'S BEAUTIFUL ;_;

IT CAME OUT? :getdown:
brb, looking to see where I can buy it from.

[Alfred F. Jones]

IT CAME OUT? :getdown:
brb, looking to see where I can buy it from.

For now, though, you can listen to it on the youtubes (until it gets taken down, of course). Check it out!

Also, it's my obligation to pass on the latest source of speculah for Madoka season 2.

[Berzul]

I just watched Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha and I can say that I laugh even more on what Madoka had to offer....

[Stuffman]

Also, it's my obligation to pass on the latest source of speculah for Madoka season 2.

Normally I'd say "there's no way they can't screw this up"

But I said that about the ending too, so let's just wait and see :V