Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F (Read 201865 times)

Iliq · « **Reply #960 on:** November 27, 2011, 04:26:30 AM »

As I thought, Kedamagrammaton was easy after beating Utsuho. Even with Djinn Storm and Reimu dying, Komachi tanked everything. And she was poisoned. :V

No drop though. That's annoying.

edit: 28F... I could break the gimmick here so easily, but I won't. More exp this way.

Shin Rokuren · « **Reply #961 on:** November 27, 2011, 05:45:41 AM »

Quote from: Reiska on November 26, 2011, 09:16:23 PM

Well, I'll grant I've never actually seen her use Bar of the Ten Kings yet, I just know it would kill me if she DID. I can't quite heal through her other AoEs either, they just don't kill me until she uses two or three of them in a row. My damage tops out at about 700k a hit against her (buffed), though that's with a gear set that is, shall we say, not very good for status resistance (equipping the status resistance stuff drops it by about 100k).

Of course you don't have to give your nukers much stat resistance gears. I was talking about (semi) perma front line members like Meiling or support chars which you don't even need to attack with. Having Rumia's nice as well for a secondary group healer. At that part of the game, Nitori could already break 1m damage, assuming you got Gurthang earlier. In the end, it all comes down to strategy and stat tweaking. For my part, I only attack with the right most person.

Kedamagrammaton's a push over. One round of World-Shaking Military Rule + Spiriting Away strategies can beat it before it can do a second or third move.

Eilaris · « **Reply #962 on:** November 27, 2011, 02:32:38 PM »

Eiki's toasted now. She Focused, I killed her on my last turn before Bar of the Ten Kings fired.

Now to backtrack and pick up Yuuka and Okuu...

Shin Rokuren · « **Reply #963 on:** November 27, 2011, 04:12:11 PM »

Grats and good luck.

Eilaris · « **Reply #964 on:** November 27, 2011, 04:51:10 PM »

... am I reading the database right in observing that Yuuka has a 1/5 shot of full healing herself every turn once you've taken her HP down by a third?

Shin Rokuren · « **Reply #965 on:** November 27, 2011, 06:55:31 PM »

Quote from: Reiska on November 27, 2011, 04:51:10 PM

... am I reading the database right in observing that Yuuka has a 1/5 shot of full healing herself every turn once you've taken her HP down by a third?

Where'd you see that? The wiki nor the enemy database doesn't say anything about healing. The only thing to take note of is that once her HP reaches roughly 1/3 or below, she'll start using Focus then Master Spark.

From what I see, between max HP and 10m, she does Flower Shot (25% - Single), Hail Plant (15% - Single), Magic Drain (15% - Single), Sakura Blizard (15% - Row), Arrow Rain (15% - Multi) and Overgrowth (15% - Multi). Between 10m and 5m, she uses Flower Shot (30%), Magic Drain (20%), Gensokyo's Reflowering (20% - Multi), Beauty of Nature (20% - Multi), and Overgrowth (10%). Below 5m, it's Focus then Master Spark.

Serela · « **Reply #966 on:** November 27, 2011, 07:17:39 PM »

Gensokyo's Reflowering heals for for a lot, but I think if it looks like a full heal, there's a 0 missing or being added somewhere... I think it IS 1/10th of her HP though, which is still pretty damn significant.

Oh jeez I haven't looked at this thread in forever.

Brocknoth · « **Reply #967 on:** November 27, 2011, 09:05:50 PM »

Finally beat Hibachi so the 4 starting Bloody seal bosses are dead now. Tried duel Hibachi and got steam rolled so that's out for the time being. Finally mopped up the last of the V2 bosses. Amazing what a little grinding and spiriting away shenanigans can do. Though Yukari V2 herself gave me a lot of trouble until I remembered "derp debuffs derp derp". So I've been kicking around floors 22, 23 and 24. The encounters are really starting to edge on my nerves so I've taken to shutting them off at random so I can do floor exploration in peace. Dying every other encounter while I'm trying to map things out gets really tiring.

Party is about Reimu level 175 so I still have a lot of work to do before I'm ready to take on Okuu, Yuka, Eiki, and the sigil guardians (save for flame tyrant anyways) Still need that 5th star so I can take on Mari V2 as well. Not looking forward to that. :ohdear:

Eilaris · « **Reply #968 on:** November 27, 2011, 11:31:04 PM »

Quote from: Sukusuku Keine on November 27, 2011, 06:55:31 PM

Where'd you see that? The wiki nor the enemy database doesn't say anything about healing. The only thing to take note of is that once her HP reaches roughly 1/3 or below, she'll start using Focus then Master Spark.

From what I see, between max HP and 10m, she does Flower Shot (25% - Single), Hail Plant (15% - Single), Magic Drain (15% - Single), Sakura Blizard (15% - Row), Arrow Rain (15% - Multi) and Overgrowth (15% - Multi). Between 10m and 5m, she uses Flower Shot (30%), Magic Drain (20%), Gensokyo's Reflowering (20% - Multi), Beauty of Nature (20% - Multi), and Overgrowth (10%). Below 5m, it's Focus then Master Spark.

Yeah, according to the database, Gensokyo's Reflowering heals 15 million.

Serela · « **Reply #969 on:** November 28, 2011, 12:35:40 AM »

I looked, and... it does? Wow. I think it only heals 1.5 million, though.

Eilaris · « **Reply #970 on:** November 28, 2011, 03:59:08 AM »

Yeah, I could buy it being a typo. By the time Yuuka pulled it on me I had no hope of winning anyway, so.

Right now, 27F is just giving me headaches. And I don't mean because of difficulty, I mean because looking at the map is giving me eyestrain headaches, lol.

Shin Rokuren · « **Reply #971 on:** November 28, 2011, 04:44:17 AM »

I dunno if it's a typo or not, but I think it's 1.5m since I recall beating V1 post Reflowering and I've been fighting the V2 a lot and didn't have trouble taking her out after she did it. Then again, it may be cause I've been doing so much damage to actually notice it.

EDIT: Yeah, definitely think it's a typo. I've just tested it on V2, who also has 15m HP, after she did Gensokyo's Reflowering. I did between 6m+ damage to her before she got to her next turn. Her next move was Focus, which she'd normally do with less than 5m HP, and fell to 3.7m+ damage afterwards. So I don't think the skill fully restores her.

Iliq · « **Reply #972 on:** November 29, 2011, 09:31:48 AM »

If there was any healing in the Yuuka fight I didn't notice it. Even if there was, it was still the easiest of the three character fights.

Reached 29F. Why does it have the same floor gimmick as 28F?

Shin Rokuren · « **Reply #973 on:** November 29, 2011, 12:23:11 PM »

More like a bit of 28 and more on the big maze thingy.

Kamil · « **Reply #974 on:** November 30, 2011, 04:18:59 AM »

OK I returned playing after a long hiatus and still have this team.

Sanae. Mind tank with some HP. Not sure what else to put into.
Patchouli. Mind/Magic. Gives me some coverage against composite while retaining her heavy hiting.
Meiling. HP/def/mind.
Kaguya. Mind. I have plenty of attackers and not as many buffers. Aside that, letting me hit a double Last Judgment or Knockout in 3 steps
Cirno. Att. I am actually contemplating doing HP but that would make her terrible at sweeping.
Wriggle. Def/Mind. Being my 2nd tank.
Utsuko. Mag. Having the only mystic attack in my roster as well as being one of the three piercing attack.
Yuugi. Att. Enough said
Eiki. Att. Last Judgement was one of my most staple attack in my last run.
Komachi. Att. I got enough front and second liners and Komachi has enough HP to not get one shotted unlike some of my roster.
Kanako. Mag. Being the best cold nuke.
Reimu. Def/Mag. Benefit from her own defensive buff.

I took this team on a run lvl 1 against Meiling. Turns out that she was too easy with death or para on her so I made a restriction from using those two. Unfortunate she was immune to debuffs and poison. With the restriction and immunity, a lot of my characters were simply just HP soaks since they cannot use any moves and makes this fight genuinely tough! I was able to win while only losing Kaguya, Wriggle, and Komachi, I'll get a youtube video up soon.

Brocknoth · « **Reply #975 on:** December 02, 2011, 12:29:24 AM »

Man I didn't realize Plus disc was going to be THIS boring. I expected grinding for levels but this is just ridiculous. That and the sigil guardians are beginning to really irk me. Baal Avatar in particular. I keep coming so close to beating him and then something stupid happens. Usually he just randomly decides to one shot whomever is in slot 3 with double slash for the lulz. That and I swear his damage formulas are borked. I know his stats start incrementing after you drain 3mil from him but sometimes I wonder if he's still doing too much dmg to back row characters. Oh well must just be bad luck. I hear the Fern sigil guardian after him is worse.

Reimu 204 isn't enough currently I guess it's back to floor 25 to slaughter more random floor trash. Gonna shoot for 210-15ish see where that gets me.

Zil · « **Reply #976 on:** December 02, 2011, 01:46:51 AM »

I wouldn't worry about the sigil gaurdians if you can just go past them. Unless you've reached the point where you have to kill them, in which case nevermind. As I recall, 27th floor is basically the best place to grind until you can actually manage the 30th floor "mooks" with relative speed.

Shin Rokuren · « **Reply #977 on:** December 02, 2011, 05:26:50 AM »

27's best for Skill Point farming and gives decent exp. 29's better for pure exp, imo.

Pesco · « **Reply #978 on:** December 02, 2011, 06:35:53 AM »

The SKP output of 27F made grinding kinda fun.

Zil · « **Reply #979 on:** December 02, 2011, 07:24:59 AM »

I figured the insane amount of skillpoints outweighed the slightly lower exp. In fact, I ran from any encounter that did not have succubi in it, as I figured that was actually a more efficient use of time. And of course...

Quote from: Pesco on December 02, 2011, 06:35:53 AM

The SKP output of 27F made grinding kinda fun.

Iliq · « **Reply #980 on:** December 03, 2011, 06:55:26 AM »

FINALLY

~~I REACHED 30F~~ A DIFFERENT BATTLE THEME

How long until I get sick of this one?

kanzaky · « **Reply #981 on:** December 04, 2011, 04:36:39 PM »

Guys i got some help from this page so i wanna share this image set, it not much of what i wanded to release but at least is something. They are from different artists so there's no affinity in the artstyle, anyway i posted the link in another site who helped me too but im not sure if this will be enought to let the file survive long.

http://www.mediafire.com/?l699a4vp5215ba6

Some images are repeated from another sets and others are not even from their respective character, because i coundn't find better ones. dunno if there's another set with the same images i chopped, if so plz tell me with a link to it because i cant find stuff with enought appeal to me tnks :blush:

Brocknoth · « **Reply #982 on:** December 06, 2011, 09:56:34 AM »

Quote from: Zil on December 02, 2011, 01:46:51 AM

I wouldn't worry about the sigil gaurdians if you can just go past them. Unless you've reached the point where you have to kill them, in which case nevermind. As I recall, 27th floor is basically the best place to grind until you can actually manage the 30th floor "mooks" with relative speed.

I'm at the point where I have to kill them. Well not all of them anyways. Wiki says I need to down Baal Avatar and the fern sigil guardian to move onto floor 26. My levels are no where near high enough to bother trying to take on Okuu or Yuka so pressing on is my only option aside from more grinding of course. Reimu 208ish now. Haven't been playing the game as much lately because I'm trying not to burn myself out. I'm not giving up it's just going to take me a bit.

Eilaris · « **Reply #983 on:** December 08, 2011, 01:35:25 PM »

As I continue on the grind to be ready for 30F, I'm curious: has anyone ever dug into the game with a debugger or the like to trace down the damage number display bug's causes?

I suspect it's something silly like the game calling the randomizer separately for the displayed damage and the actual damage, but...

Iliq · « **Reply #984 on:** December 09, 2011, 01:00:19 AM »

Master Light Wings V2 down at Reimu lv327. How easy.

Random thought: a Nuzlocke of this game.

edit: okay, I knew Suwako V3 was supposedly easy, but that was ridiculous. Why is she only half as fast as Tenshi, and much weaker?

blackrider19 · « **Reply #985 on:** December 09, 2011, 09:25:28 AM »

sorry for digressing but does anyone here know how to hack BP using CE? trying to complete some events to fight yuyuko, its really troublesome to fight a hundred battles just for certain benched characters' BP

Pesco · « **Reply #986 on:** December 09, 2011, 12:15:15 PM »

If you can find the character's level address, add 1C8 to it to get the BP. if the number looks weird, give or take another 4.

Trickster-kun · « **Reply #987 on:** December 09, 2011, 08:32:05 PM »

Quote from: Iliq on December 09, 2011, 01:00:19 AM

Random thought: a Nuzlocke of this game.

I'd be interested, but you'd need like, SOOOOO much patience and time to grind properly and make sure you don't lose any random encounters to stupid things like those tops... not to mention that certain boss fights will probably make you pull your hair thrice over is you get unlucky.

Maybe limit it to just 20F? I don't see 21F+ being doable without losing anybody unless you run away a lot... also, doesn't doing a Nuzlocke prevent you from using World-Shaking Military rule for, like, more than once ever? :ohdear:

I don't think it's impossible, but it certainly can be a test of patience...

J.O.B · « **Reply #988 on:** December 10, 2011, 02:55:16 AM »

A solo Meiling run of the game has been done before IIRC.

Zil · « **Reply #989 on:** December 10, 2011, 03:11:56 AM »

If there's any character that can manage a solo, it's Meiling, so I wouldn't doubt it.