Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F (Read 201867 times)

Parallaxal · « **Reply #900 on:** November 14, 2011, 06:00:40 PM »

On floor 16, not really. The only ones that give more than +40% ATK are Glaive of Pain and Shiva's Leather Boots. You should only have one of the former (the second is in a chest on 19F), while the latter is found on 16F to begin with (and I think you might need to beat Great Stamp to access it first).

(I also just realized that we're both using art from Magic: the Gathering as our avatars.)

Shin Rokuren · « **Reply #901 on:** November 14, 2011, 06:12:57 PM »

Lion King's good enough for ATK plus the added survivability. Although faming a bunch of Blue Sabers on floor 13-14 (Amethyst Knight) or 15-16 (Obsidian Knight) is also a good idea.

Spoiler:

Zap · « **Reply #902 on:** November 14, 2011, 09:04:23 PM »

I always thought Lion's King Soul was a good choice for Suika. Raises every stat that she uses, so it just seems natural to me.

Parallaxal · « **Reply #903 on:** November 14, 2011, 11:51:51 PM »

I've decided to start playing this game again, this time working on two vastly different parties. One party is built to maximize attack buffs combined with Yukari's Spiriting Away for massive damage output in a short amount of time. It's the typical party that I normally like to use, except optimized as much as I can for bursts of damage with the best high power high delay attacks backed by Thundercloud Stickleback. It'll involve significant switching hijinx, of course, since I can't rely on Spiriting Away forever.

The other is pretty much the exact opposite, using almost every good self-buffer along with many other solid characters that can stay in for long periods of time to do DoT. I wanted to try it out in order to ween myself off of my favorite character in the game (Iku), and it'll also offer a chance to shine for one of my other favorites (Reisen). Plus I get to use a lot of good characters that I normally never use due to my play style, like Patchouli and Aya.

I want to take them both up through the Plus Disk eventually, and see how each party's strengths and weaknesses work in various circumstances. This will be slow, though, since I have started medical school this past year, so I don't have as much time to play as I did back in college.

Brocknoth · « **Reply #904 on:** November 15, 2011, 06:27:38 AM »

Wiped the floor with the 19F sigil guardians though that was to be expected after all the grinding I did on 20F. They barely got 2 turns each thanks to Military Rule and Spiriting Away shenanigans. Fully explored what little of 20F I can reach for now and activated the waypoint. Got all the unique drops for the floor as well save for Kikuryusei. The Executioners are being selfish and won't drop one. Now I just have to decide when I'm ready to try taking on Mari. 150 sounds a bit much though I won't know till I try.

Any advice guys?

Parallaxal · « **Reply #905 on:** November 15, 2011, 06:42:03 AM »

Yeah, 150 is pretty overkill. I usually fight the final boss around Reimu level 120.

The boss starts off very slowly, so you can take your time buffing up at first. Just like with Alice, the physical-based summon is vulnerable to paralysis, and the magical-based summon is vulnerable to debuffs. When all three summons are out, do not leave the top (support) summon for last. Not only is it not vulnerable to either PAR or debuffs, but it will use Djinn Storm if the other two summons are defeated first. The physical summon can OHKO your tank with Scourge if you kill the other two summons first, but since you can PAR-lock the physical summon, you can usually buy yourself enough time to kill it even if you save it for last.

Once the summons are defeated, the final boss is pretty much just like the 18F boss's final form, except with way more HP. Good luck not dying.

Brocknoth · « **Reply #906 on:** November 15, 2011, 11:17:38 AM »

Dear freaking lord wiping out all her servants is a really BAD idea. Unnatural Overflowing Power is frightening O_o There's gotta be a better way to do this.

That aside the fight isn't as bad as I thought it would be. Couple annoying skills here and there but all it takes is some planning and she's plenty manageable at level 120 like you said. But yeah top servant dies first, then I'll usually take out the physical one since I have a MND based party so magic spammer isn't as annoying as it could be. Thus far one of two things happen I get impatient and try my hand at UOP phase and die or I get outlasted and die anyways.

Wiki says she has 2mil HP but I dmg counted and swear I did more than that. Oh well gotta keep trying I suppose. I'll get her eventually. BTW who is this girl supposed to be anyways? Her attack skills and overall design have an uncanny resemblance to a certain Yukari Yakumo.

Starxsword · « **Reply #907 on:** November 15, 2011, 11:57:29 AM »

She is Maribel Han. She is in the music CDs, Ghostly Field Club and stuff following it.
Because of her name, she is often believed to be Yukari's other self of some sort. Her friend is Renko Usami, the other girl that you see
for a little bit while playing the game.
Briefly saying this, the idea is Lafcadio Hearn is also known as Koizumi Yakumo, and since Maribel Hearn and Yukari Yakumo have names
relating to that, so popular theory is that they are the same person.

Brocknoth · « **Reply #908 on:** November 15, 2011, 12:41:25 PM »

Quote from: Starxsword on November 15, 2011, 11:57:29 AM

She is Maribel Han. She is in the music CDs, Ghostly Field Club and stuff following it.
Because of her name, she is often believed to be Yukari's other self of some sort. Her friend is Renko Usami, the other girl that you see
for a little bit while playing the game.
Briefly saying this, the idea is Lafcadio Hearn is also known as Koizumi Yakumo, and since Maribel Hearn and Yukari Yakumo have names
relating to that, so popular theory is that they are the same person.

The same person? That's an odd theory. Then again we don't know much about Yukari to begin with so I suppose it's plausible once you go over all the facts. For it to make sense though Yukari would have to be from the future or an alternate universe. I take it Mari's last name being spelt "Han" was a mistake in Labyrinth?

Starxsword · « **Reply #909 on:** November 15, 2011, 01:05:23 PM »

I don't think that is a mistake. Translations of words can be argued, so while you can theoretically argue that it is the correct spelling with
those hints. But the translation is still technically correct.
ハーン translates to Haan. So some translators change it to Han and others change it to Hearn.

Shin Rokuren · « **Reply #910 on:** November 15, 2011, 01:16:37 PM »

Han and Hearn are both correct. About the relationship thing with Yukari, there are like tons of theories about it. Like this one. (Warning: TL; DR)

Also, you do need to get rid of all 3 summons else she'll regen like crazy (tried leaving one summon during my first fight and I couldn't take her down even with all my nukes). Tenshi spamming Sword of Rapture should do the trick. Especially with Sarutahiko's Guidance or two on her.

Brocknoth · « **Reply #911 on:** November 15, 2011, 02:25:08 PM »

Quote from: Sukusuku Keine on November 15, 2011, 01:16:37 PM

Han and Hearn are both correct. About the relationship thing with Yukari, there are like tons of theories about it. Like this one. (Warning: TL; DR)

Also, you do need to get rid of all 3 summons else she'll regen like crazy (tried leaving one summon during my first fight and I couldn't take her down even with all my nukes). Tenshi spamming Sword of Rapture should do the trick. Especially with Sarutahiko's Guidance or two on her.

I guess the wiki needs an update then because it doesn't say anything about her regening HP. I thought there was something wrong when I couldn't bring her down even though I swear I had done the needed damage. Well I guess that means I'll have to change my battle strategy.

Shin Rokuren · « **Reply #912 on:** November 15, 2011, 03:03:18 PM »

Quote from: Brocknoth on November 15, 2011, 02:25:08 PM

I guess the wiki needs an update then because it doesn't say anything about her regening HP. I thought there was something wrong when I couldn't bring her down even though I swear I had done the needed damage. Well I guess that means I'll have to change my battle strategy.

From Wiki:

Quote

Once all three minions are summoned, Maribel and her minions will now all be killable, and the fight proper begins. However, note that Mari will regenerate HP while she still has minions, and while it's technically possible to outdamage her regeneration to kill her before the minions, it is pretty impractical (if not outright impossible).

Thought it was a bluff at first, then I had to find out the hard way.

yoshicookiezeus · « **Reply #913 on:** November 15, 2011, 03:42:03 PM »

Doing lots of damage to her before killing the last summon is a very viable strategy, however, since she only regenerates HP up to a certain point:

Quote from: Labyrinth of Touhou Database

Up to the third form, if at the start of the turn, Mari's HP is below (500,000 * number of enemies),
Mari's HP will be recovered back to (500,000 * number of enemies).

Since she starts out with 3,500,000 HP, you can shorten the amount of time you have to spend with the last phase quite a bit this way.

Pesco · « **Reply #914 on:** November 15, 2011, 03:44:19 PM »

I would upload that database myself but it'd kill my connection.

Parallaxal · « **Reply #915 on:** November 15, 2011, 06:05:30 PM »

On floor 3 with the second team I described earlier. Fought the Disgusting Malice on my way. Otherwise, nothing of note (besides the fact that bosses refuse to drop anything for me).

Rumia was kind of a pain, though. She used Demarcation 3 times in 4 turns, which was an absolutely nightmare to deal with.

Brocknoth · « **Reply #916 on:** November 15, 2011, 09:46:34 PM »

Quote from: Sukusuku Keine on November 15, 2011, 03:03:18 PM

From Wiki:
Thought it was a bluff at first, then I had to find out the hard way.

It is in there? Man I just wasn't reading then was I. Great now I feel stupid.

500k * numbers of enemies so if only 1 servant is left she'll constantly stay at 500k but only if she gets a turn hmmm very interesting. Ideal way to do this then would be to drag whatever servant is left down to the 1 hit kill range, hit her once, then kill the servant, and then use spiriting away to finish her off.

Unless of course I'm wrong and it's at the start of EVERY turn and not just hers.

Zil · « **Reply #917 on:** November 15, 2011, 09:51:30 PM »

Quote from: Brocknoth on November 15, 2011, 02:25:08 PM

I guess the wiki needs an update then because it doesn't say anything about her regening HP. I thought there was something wrong when I couldn't bring her down even though I swear I had done the needed damage. Well I guess that means I'll have to change my battle strategy.

There are two wikis. The good one says what Sukusuku Keine quoted. The other neglects the part about her regenerating, and actually advises you to leave a minion alive. The wiki with Alice in the upper left generally has much better info.

Brocknoth · « **Reply #918 on:** November 15, 2011, 09:55:54 PM »

Ok so I'm not losing my mind. I've been using this one http://en.touhouwiki which is the 2nd of the two you mentioned. The problem is the information in both is nearly identical for the LoT section. Why such crucial information would be missing from the other one is beyond me. Thanks for the heads up gonna use the other one from now on.

Conqueror · « **Reply #919 on:** November 15, 2011, 09:56:49 PM »

The Wikia wiki is an outdated wasteland in all aspects; don't touch it. It's outdated because it's a dead wiki and should be left dead.
Use touhouwiki.net
This is the correct page in question: http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Labyrinth_of_Touhou/Dungeons/20F

Brocknoth · « **Reply #920 on:** November 15, 2011, 10:06:41 PM »

Comparing information yeah the other one is horribly outdated. Bah and I've been using that one for reference too. Oh well bookmarks updated thank you for pointing out my mistake.

Parallaxal · « **Reply #921 on:** November 15, 2011, 11:02:36 PM »

Pretty much all of the editors have migrated over from one wiki to the other, so only one is being constantly updated. The better wiki has stuff like spellcard descriptions and video walkthroughs, and even now is still being updated (I just added strategy advice to several boss fights yesterday).

Shin Rokuren · « **Reply #922 on:** November 16, 2011, 12:02:41 AM »

Hmm. I haven't checked the wikia guide at all. No wonder.

J.O.B · « **Reply #923 on:** November 16, 2011, 06:07:27 AM »

What happened to the JP wiki?

Conqueror · « **Reply #924 on:** November 16, 2011, 06:46:08 AM »

Nothing happened to the JP wiki afaik. It's a great map resource.

J.O.B · « **Reply #925 on:** November 16, 2011, 06:55:00 AM »

It doesn't load for me normally or with Google translate.

Conqueror · « **Reply #926 on:** November 16, 2011, 07:11:24 AM »

Site working fine on my end.

J.O.B · « **Reply #927 on:** November 16, 2011, 07:17:49 AM »

:colbert:

EDIT: And as you say that, it finally starts working without google translate.

But it still doesn't work with google translate.

EDITEDIT: I think the problem is because it's using the meta code "notranslate". Is anyone else getting this problem?

Trickster-kun · « **Reply #928 on:** November 16, 2011, 12:28:52 PM »

Just beat Great Stamp and Yukari~ JUST as she had cast IN Quadruple Barrier, Nitori had a turn right after her, so I thought, 'okay let's use her once and swap out to prepare for Mesh' and ONE SHOT WAS ENOUGH. lol

GRAN GRIMOIRE DROP FIRST TRY **** YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH

I told you I got lucky with drops. :V

Still can't touch Flandre, though, unsurprisingly. :ohdear: Oh well. ~~Time for 17F!~~ Used Parallaxal's guide to skip 17F and go straight to 18F. Oh, what a nightmare. You know it's bad when you have to treat every random encounter as a boss fight with swapping and debuffing-- I just force-plowed through everything up to this point, lol. Time to STRATEGIZE.

Shin Rokuren · « **Reply #929 on:** November 16, 2011, 03:05:58 PM »

It's still possible to power plow grind w/o switching or debuffing at Floor 18. Though the chars I use and setup is prolly different. Floor 18's a great leveling spot though. Ignore 17, it's not worth it.

Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F (Read 201867 times)

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