Labyrinth of Touhou 7F

[Shin Rokuren]

No full portrait for DS and only ZUN sketches for SWR.

[haydude]

Anybody have a save right after they unlocked the 21st floor? I want to go through the last bit but i dont want to spend the time to get the stars right now.

[Zil]

It seems all Pixiv artists get the same "How to draw a cute Mokou" handbook, because it looks like 90% of them start with Step 1: Add mini-skirt and cat ears

EDIT: Are these cute enough?

Sorry about the late reply; I've had no internet access.  About the pictures, I was thinking more along the lines of "uber-loli," like the kind of thing that's often done with characters like Suwako or Tewi; however, considering the only charagraphs I've found for her show her either engulfed in flames or smoking, those two are pretty cute in comparison. So in short, yes, they're cute enough.  :3

Also if anybody can point me to a char portiart maker with no morel at all it would be appreciated.

If by "no morel at all" you mean " no morals at all," and by that you mean "sexual or otherwise NSFW," I know there's a swimsuit set out there, but other than that idk.

[spookedmoose]

Possibly cuter

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[Zil]

Oh god yes! Those are super cute, thanks a bunch~  :3
Btw, an unrelated question, does raising a character's elemental affinity over 500 have any further effect? The wiki says 500's the limit, but it seems they can go beyond that.
Going for 30th floor boss, I need all the affinity I can get...

[Sophilia]

Oh it helps, but it has exponentially diminishing returns.  Affinity is in the denominator of the damage formula, so while raising it from 100 to 200 halves elemental damage, to do the same at 500 would require an increase to 1000.  Each three points from an SP upgrade gets more expensive and more individually useless.

[Kamil]

Well to be fair, it may be more economical to raise the affinity of a character that has abysmal mind (Komachi, Youmu, Yuugi, Reisen, Flandre) than to raise their mind itself.  Not sure if it is works for inverted cased with physically weak character but I recall there are a lot more non-elemental physical attacks than magical.

[Zil]

The main problem is that everyone seems to take the same damage against 30 floor boss, no matter what the defensive stats, so it seems I have no choice but to improve affinities and max HP.  I'm not sure since I don't use her, but Komachi may actually be a really good tank for this fight.

[Kamil]

He has almost 50% more ATT and 100% more MAG than SoC and possess some def ignoring skills.  The problem is a large portion of his repertoire have a neutral elemental affinity.  all but one of the element based attacks are also mind oriented as well but said spells can also hurt like hell if you have holes in your affinities. 

I'm not sure about the potential of Komachi's tanking potential since I am using an ATT Komachi whom I use on my second slot instead of my first with the first slot generally having Meiling.  However Komachi is almost never one shotted due to the sheer amount of HP and with a capable healer like Minoriko, she can stay there for perpetuity until the healer needs to be switched out.

[Parallaxal]

All right...I'm actually starting a TvTropes page for this game! Please check it out and edit if you'd like:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TouhouLabyrinth

[Kamil]

You think it's best to discuss the change to make sure we're all in agreement that this and this should belong here and there?  For example, I would note a slight subversion to Patchouli being a squishy wizard since she takes virtually no damage to magic attacks.  Also with the boss immunity thing, not too many bosses are immune to both status AND debuffs.  Of course Patchy in your playthrough is having a field day with lampshading. 

[Zil]

Ok... So I finally beat the 30th floor boss through good old fashioned grinding. (level was in the 550-650 range).  Now that I've done this... just how do I do a new game +?

 EDIT: Nevermind! I've got it. You just start a new game and it asks if you want to carry over data after all the intro dialogue.

[Kamil]

Speaking of new game+.  I'm done milking my old file worth of fun where even Winner is getting boring.  I think I will start a new run with 12 limited characters.  Not sure who should I be limited to using though.  Any ideas?

[Dr.Strafe]

Speaking of new game+.  I'm done milking my old file worth of fun where even Winner is getting boring.  I think I will start a new run with 12 limited characters.  Not sure who should I be limited to using though.  Any ideas?

Patchy solo

[RegalStar]

Speaking of new game+.  I'm done milking my old file worth of fun where even Winner is getting boring.  I think I will start a new run with 12 limited characters.  Not sure who should I be limited to using though.  Any ideas?

Meiling and just random.org the other 11.

[Zil]

You should instead lmit yourself to just 4 or 5 characters, but carry over stuff from your old game. That would be interesting  :3

[Pesco]

Carrying over stuff for a 4 character only run is lame. You get to spend the skillpoints on those 4 only, so there's never much need for spreading out resources.

[Zengar Zombolt]

Meiling and just random.org the other 11.

Even more fun, randomize all 12. If you don't get tanks then :dwi:

[Parallaxal]

I find runs with only 4 characters to be rather boring. It removes the switching strategy in battle, which I find to be one of the most compelling things about this game, so I don't really see myself having that much fun with that. Then it'd be no different from any other RPG. At that point, I'd rather just play Etrian Odyssey.

[Zil]

Well I was kind of joking about using 4 characters... Personally I'm going to try another game using only my favorite characters, regardless of their playability. i.e. Mokou, Rumia, Utsuho...

[Shin Rokuren]

All right...I'm actually starting a TvTropes page for this game! Please check it out and edit if you'd like:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TouhouLabyrinth

Awesome! I was looking for a page like a month or so ago and didn't find any.

[MewMewHeart]

Ah... hi I'm kinda new to this forum although I lurk, every now and then anticipating, the next new Touhou stuff happening.

But, enough about the short introduction, well... first off I love Labyrinth of Touhou Special Disk, but I can't stand the grinding, and I really would like to unlock Mokou and Yuyuko, but, my current party all range from 47 ~ 59. 

Although I did managed to get to 16F, I just want some help with using the Cheat Table in cheat engine so, I can at least be able to do some floors in peace, and not have to worry about going back and forward, also I would like some advice on how to use Cheat engine properly or at least grind without worrying about dropping dead.

Also, make things straight on my Yuyuko and Mokou problem,  I do know how to handle Yuyuko, it's just that I hate the fact I need to do some grinding to survive a bit longer but, for Mokou... I hate trying to wait for the resurrection phase to happen even though my Nitori was hitting her with at least 40k+ damage thanks to Ran and Sanae buffing, and  I do know that need to spam debuffs on her but, I tend to run out of ammo when I use my heavy hitters, due to how long it takes for me to hit snipe her down.

Sorry for the long rant and posting but, I really NEED some serious help and advice on some stuff. 

[Zil]

Doesn't Mokou remove all of her debuffs when she uses resurrection anyway? It's probobly better to focus on buffing yourself. Keep you strongest nukes (Marisa, Nitori, etc.) fully buffed and in the reserve party; they won't be debuffed by Tsuki no Iwakasa's Curse, and you can just throw them out once Mokou uses resurrection, and finish her off as quickly as possible. Cirno is also a god in this fight, due to Mokou's vulnerability to cold, stat debuff, and paralysis. With Cirno, the pre-resurrection phase should be a cakewalk. I'm pretty sure Mokou becomes immune to ailments at the end though, so like I said, buffing yourself is important.

[Dr.Strafe]

Mokou is one of the first bosses in the game that will go into "overdrive" toward the end of the fight. Once she uses Resurrection, then the fight turns into "Kill her or die trying". You should do all of your offensive buffs and support prior to this phase, because you won't have time to do them when she goes berserk (nevermind that Resurrection erases all debuffs on Mokou, as well as makes her immune to any more for the rest of the fight).

Fortunately, most bosses that have this ending phase, are usually fairly low on HP. Ideally, you will want to defeat the boss before they get to move once the final phase begins. Some bosses MUCH later will have desperation modes, but you'll have to endure them for a bit longer. That is, unless you are insanely powerful.

Spoiler:

The final boss illustrates this nicely. The first time, you'll likely struggle through the fight, but you can challenge her at anytime after you complete the game. Go back and fight again after 40 levels or so, and completely trash her.

[Parallaxal]

Do recall that Mokou will spam Tsuki no Iwakasa's Curse if you debuff her speed, so if you want to use Cirno for that, make sure your team is outfitted with WND resistance and debuff resistance. Also, do note that the majority of Mokou's attacks target DEF instead of MND, including Fujiyama Volcano, which is the opposite of what you'd expect given how she plays once she gets recruited.

I find it best to prepare at least 2 or more characters with high fire resistance and good defenses/HP. When you see Mokou use Resurrection, immediately swap those characters in, and hopefully they'll be able to survive the first blast of Fujiyama Volcano. Yuugi, Remilia, and any other tank-like characters can do this if you've invested reasonably in their FIR resistance and give them Bomb Rings or Love Machines. The more characters that can survive the first Fujiyama Volcano, the faster you can switch in nukers like Nitori or Marisa to finish Mokou off.

[MewMewHeart]

Do recall that Mokou will spam Tsuki no Iwakasa's Curse if you debuff her speed, so if you want to use Cirno for that, make sure your team is outfitted with WND resistance and debuff resistance. Also, do note that the majority of Mokou's attacks target DEF instead of MND, including Fujiyama Volcano, which is the opposite of what you'd expect given how she plays once she gets recruited.

I find it best to prepare at least 2 or more characters with high fire resistance and good defenses/HP. When you see Mokou use Resurrection, immediately swap those characters in, and hopefully they'll be able to survive the first blast of Fujiyama Volcano. Yuugi, Remilia, and any other tank-like characters can do this if you've invested reasonably in their FIR resistance and give them Bomb Rings or Love Machines. The more characters that can survive the first Fujiyama Volcano, the faster you can switch in nukers like Nitori or Marisa to finish Mokou off.

Yeah, I just  got through brawling with Mokou, and I must  say my Tenshi and Meiling really did a great job on making Mokou's Fujiyama Volcano look like a joke, Suika survived by the skin of her teeth in the 4th solt although I did lose my Aya but, I managed to overpower her with my Nitori who was already buffed by Ran and Sanae.

Nitori did: 55k back to back two times when Mokou went beserk.

I should of recorded because, amazingly my Suwako was dealing 24k damage and no PAR hit until like close to her Beserk phase.

Thanks for the advice and reminders of why I despise trying to recruit Mokou...

*grumbles* After 63k damage done by my Nitori and 55k done by Patchouli she didn't do Ressucrection.  :getdown:

Also I would like to say for the record I love Suwako due to her Iron Rings and Croaking Frog Eaten by Snake although I know Cirno is good at PARing too, I prefer to make the bosses "hold still" while I smack some sense into them.  :V

Edit 1:  Now... if only if I could turn the encounters off with cheat engine...


Edit 2:

 Just making sure if I'm reading the requirements correctly for Kaguya on the wiki,  I have to get a total of 1,000 battle points between Sanae, Reisen, Eirin, and Mokou, correct me if I'm wrong but,  does it mean I have to 1,000 battle points for all of them or do I just need a total 1,000 battle points on Sanae, Reisen, Eirin, and Mokou? 

I just want to make sure, that I'm not doing the wrong thing.  :ohdear:

[Zil]

You need a total of 1,000 points, divided amongst them. You can split it up however you want.  (This is completely unrelated, but your last post contains numerous comma splices. The comma should go before the word "but" instead of after. Being a grammar-nazi, I have to point these things out.)

[MewMewHeart]

You need a total of 1,000 points, divided amongst them. You can split it up however you want.  (This is completely unrelated, but your last post contains numerous comma splices. The comma should go before the word "but" instead of after. Being a grammar-nazi, I have to point these things out.)

Thank you Zil.

I just wanted to make sure that I had gotten the requirement for Kaguya correct.

So, for now I will just go around with Mokou, Sanae, Eirin, and Reisen and spam the lower floors.  :colonveeplusalpha:

Then take my anger out on the FOE.  :3

[Kamil]

OK time for my 2nd run.  Went in random.org and got these 12 out of the drawbag.

Sanae
Patchouli
Meiling
Kaguya
Cirno
Wriggle
Utsuko
Yuugi
Eiki
Komachi
Kanako
Reimu

Going to analyze my team a bit.

Healers: Sanae, Reimu, and (to a lesser degree) Meiling which gives me a decent coverage here along with two that heals status effects.
Tanks: Meiling, Wriggle, as primary and Komachi as secondary. Reimu and Kamako is probably going to hang around the 2nd slot.
Buffs; Sanae and Reimu.  Yeah I am missing a a lot of buffing potential here.
Debuffs: Cirno and Komachi, Eiki can help as well if it is crucial though most likely she's going to be attacking.  Okuu is probably going to be doing it innately.
Status effects: Cirno, Wriggle,  Reimu, Komachi, Yuugi.  Decent paralyzation coverage here.
Attackers: Patchouli, Kaguya, Okuu, Yuugi, Eiki, Komachi, Kanako.  That's half of my roster!  Also I have 3 defense ignoring characters as well!

Before I begin, I snipped out a decent Reimu picture here.


http://www.mediafire.com/?44k8kbfmx2zovmx

[Pesco]

Go full defensive build with Poison as main dps :V