Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F (Read 201885 times)

J.O.B · « **Reply #510 on:** July 10, 2011, 10:26:55 AM »

If you are able to open the cheattable do you get question marks?
Because you can find the address by entering the number of bomb rings you DON'T have equips for.
Just keep switching and entering till you get the right address.
It also helps to know that all the item addresses are 4 numbers apart ( for me the sequence was xxxxxx10, xxxxxx14, xxxxxx18, xxxxxx1C, xxxxxx20 etc).
And sadly you can't get anything you don't have (which means I have to physically get a Divine Spirit Barrier:( ).

Post pic of what happens when you try and open a cheattable.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #511 on:** July 10, 2011, 10:41:20 AM »

No question marks anymore, that was when I first started messing around.
http://i.imgur.com/A5Nnc.jpg

I assume this image will suffice?

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #512 on:** July 10, 2011, 10:42:53 AM »

Quote from: J.O.B on July 10, 2011, 10:26:55 AM

And sadly you can't get anything you don't have (which means I have to physically get a Divine Spirit Barrier:( ).

You can, it just keeps the items name as ? until you equip and unequip it once. And by unequip I mean 'equip an item from another page in that slot'. If you return to the page where the item is after that it should be there. I got my only scourge on my first playthrough through the CE.

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #513 on:** July 10, 2011, 10:44:29 AM »

Quote from: Hanzo K. on July 10, 2011, 10:41:20 AM

No question marks anymore, that was when I first started messing around.
http://i.imgur.com/A5Nnc.jpg

I assume this image will suffice?

It looks like the adresses are different on your system, meaning the entire cheattable is useless for you, I had the same problem.

EDIT: You probably know that, but in case you don't: If you equip a poison resistance and a para resistance ring to remilia now she'll have 34 Par ans Psn resistance, meaning she'll be immune to PAR and PSN (34*3%=102%), so she'll be able to use her self-buff without ever getting poisoned or paralyzed.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #514 on:** July 10, 2011, 10:46:13 AM »

That was the standard CT I got from here, I was using it as an example.
The one specifically for the Bomb Ring that was posted last page also did nothing.

J.O.B · « **Reply #515 on:** July 10, 2011, 10:49:07 AM »

Well then do what I said about getting the address yourself.
That should work.

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #516 on:** July 10, 2011, 10:52:31 AM »

Quote from: Hanzo K. on July 10, 2011, 10:46:13 AM

That was the standard CT I got from here, I was using it as an example.
The one specifically for the Bomb Ring that was posted last page also did nothing.

Probably means that your addresses are unique for your system then.

Quote from: J.O.B on July 10, 2011, 10:49:07 AM

Well then do what I said about getting the address yourself.
That should work.

It isn't that easy, he has only 3 bomb rings and a LOT of variables switch between 1-4 all the time. It should be possible though.

J.O.B · « **Reply #517 on:** July 10, 2011, 10:54:39 AM »

Quote from: Nerv-Faktor on July 10, 2011, 10:42:53 AM

You can, it just keeps the items name as ? until you equip and unequip it once. And by unequip I mean 'equip an item from another page in that slot'. If you return to the page where the item is after that it should be there. I got my only scourge on my first playthrough through the CE.

I tried that but it didn't work for me.
What do you mean by equip then unequip? As I can't even equip it in the first place.

EDIT: It works now.
I think the addresses changed for some reason.

J.O.B · « **Reply #518 on:** July 10, 2011, 10:55:33 AM »

Quote from: Nerv-Faktor on July 10, 2011, 10:52:31 AM

It isn't that easy, he has only 3 bomb rings and a LOT of variables switch between 1-4 all the time. It should be possible though.

It worked for my bomb ring address, and I only have 1 bomb ring, and it took 3-4 scans ( not new scans).

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #519 on:** July 10, 2011, 10:59:33 AM »

Quote from: J.O.B on July 10, 2011, 10:54:39 AM

I tried that but it didn't work for me.
What do you mean by equip then unequip? As I can't even equip it in the first place.

If you cheat yourself a Longsword 'Ringil', for example, it will still show the name as '?', but you know that it's the first item on page 10. You should be able to equip it then, even if it just shows ? as the name. If you go back to another page then and replace the Longsword with another item it 'returns to page 10'. If you go back to page 10 after that it should be there. It worked for me.

Quote from: J.O.B on July 10, 2011, 10:55:33 AM

It worked for my bomb ring address, and I only have 1 bomb ring, and it took 3-4 scans ( not new scans).

Ok, easier than I thought, then.
I remember trying to find the address for some item I only had 1 or 2 of and still getting hundreds of addresses after several 'next scans'. Maybe I'm just remembering wrong.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #520 on:** July 10, 2011, 12:07:00 PM »

Maybe I'll just do it the old-fashioned way anyhow, I certainly need the SKP.
And I've got several hours to kill anyhow, and not enough patience to be fiddling with code for the rest of the day.
Yes, it took me all day yesterday. I've barely even slept, that's how frustratingly temperamental this CE thing is.

But this game won't beat me like others have, I'll beat it!

Edit: Hyahahahaha! I finally got that fourth bomb ring!

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #521 on:** July 10, 2011, 12:37:13 PM »

After looking at #511 again, you seem to be building your Remilia pure-defensive. It isn't bad to do so, but you're also having Meiling in your team, don't you? If you don't intend to let Remilia stay in slot 1, then it's much better to build her as an attacker in my experience. With an ATK-built she still has enough defense to sit in slot 2 all the time and even with a pure defensive built she won't match Meiling in defensive stats. Meiling is just that good as a tank. Spear the Gungnir has a pretty bad damage formula and the only reason why it keeps doing respectable damage is Remilia's very high ATK. As a tank her damage falls behind very early and the only thing for her to do will be switching nukers in and out. The problem with that is Remilia being one of the fastest characters and you usually want your switcher to be a bit slower than the switched character.

TL;DR - In my experience Remilia is better off as an attacker in slot 2 if you're also using Meiling. It certainly won't ruin your game if you keep it as it is, but I think she'd be more effective that way and it's not too late to change if you're on 7F. You really don't need more than 1 pure tank for the majority of the game.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #522 on:** July 10, 2011, 01:03:21 PM »

She was my tank through to floor 7 y'know, she felt more reliable than the gatekeeper.
Of course, that's not to say that her damage output isn't respectable too, she's just been overshadowed by Marisa and Rumia, and as of late, Yuugi.
Currently she's DEF/MND/HP->ATK, mostly defensive, but still able to dish out the pain if need be.
Since I'm already grinding points to bring Patchy's fire resist up to par with Remi and China, since I'm going in with 3 tanks(one of them being a tankmage), due to patchy's exorbitant MND levels.
I mean really, 1409 oughta be more than enough to tank an FH amazingly right? And I can drop in a few Silent Selenes with her respectable Magic stat of 1156.
Sure, Marisa's got more, but Patchy's got MND Pierce with SS, so it balances.

Here's the team I'm going in with, any thoughts? Like getting more SKP into certain stats?
And yes, this is with equips.

Warning!
A Huge Boss "Massive Imagedump"
Is Approaching Fast!

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #523 on:** July 10, 2011, 01:17:40 PM »

Quote from: Hanzo K. on July 10, 2011, 01:03:21 PM

She was my tank through to floor 7 y'know, she felt more reliable than the gatekeeper.
Of course, that's not to say that her damage output isn't respectable too, she's just been overshadowed by Marisa and Rumia, and as of late, Yuugi.
Currently she's DEF/MND/HP->ATK, mostly defensive, but still able to dish out the pain if need be.

I think most people agree that Meiling is pretty much the best tank in the game. Tank-Remi is good too, but other than Meiling, Remi can be built as an attacker and her damage will really fall behind on the later floors if you don't do that. Though a defensive Remilia has upsides as well, be sure to bring her PAR and PSN resistance to 34 as soon as you can. It really helps her if she's able to buff herself without needing Meiling to remove the ailments after that.

Quote from: Hanzo K. on July 10, 2011, 01:03:21 PM

Here's the team I'm going in with, any thoughts? Like getting more SKP into certain stats?
And yes, this is with equips.

You sure seem love Aya a lot. I'd say balance your characters out a bit more. Aya has ATK on 38, while Youmu is still on 4 and Minoriko has everything on 1. If Aya gets taken out by an unlucky attack from a boss it can cripple your offense if you focus so much on her.

For comparison: Here's my team, currently on 10F, about the same level as your team. I try to keep the characters balanced. I'm not saying that everything I did there is perfect, but I've beaten the game a few times already, so at least I can say that it works this way. It's a newgame+ so the images may contain spoilers for you, view at own risk.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #524 on:** July 10, 2011, 01:30:50 PM »

Well, it's still mostly subject to change, I mostly powered Aya to that level of ATK so I could grind easier on 7F.
I've not needed to use Minoriko much outside of the Yuugi fight due to Reimu covering both bases far better.
Group Heals, and Group Buffs.
But you can never be too careful.
I'm considering swapping her for Iku though, who is far more developed, and has overall better survivability.
I do intend to grind more to bring her MND or Fire Affinity up to par to make life a whole lot easier.

What's the generally suggested MND stat to null FH without fire gear?
See, I'm thinking that I can go Meiling->Remi->Iku->Patchy, and switch them as needed.
Would that team work out for a no-switch fight? Because short of Yuugi, I've managed to get through without much swapping of characters in mid-fight short of bringing Youmu in and out to sweep some garbage, so this shouldn't be too different. Had some troubles early on, but there's nothing that the RPG Gamer's Solution can't fix in a main story.

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #525 on:** July 10, 2011, 01:40:14 PM »

Quote from: Hanzo K. on July 10, 2011, 01:30:50 PM

See, I'm thinking that I can go Meiling->Remi->Iku->Patchy, and switch them as needed.
Would that team work out for a no-switch fight? Because short of Yuugi, I've managed to get through without much swapping of characters in mid-fight short of bringing Youmu in and out to sweep some garbage, so this shouldn't be too different. Had some troubles early on, but there's nothing that the RPG Gamer's Solution can't fix in a main story.

I don't think it's possible to beat the game without switching characters in bossfights. You must learn to think of all 12 characters as your active team, not just the 4 in front. Tam's Foe is probably one of the first bosses where you have to switch, it just keeps getting more and more important after that. If you want to beat the boss in a 'no-switch' fight, you need a healer in your frontrow. Reimu or Minoriko, Meiling alone won't be able to outheal the flowing hellfire.

Quote from: Hanzo K. on July 10, 2011, 01:30:50 PM

I'm considering swapping her for Iku though, who is far more developed, and has overall better survivability.

Iku and Minoriko are very different characters. Minoriko is a healer and defensive buffer, while Iku is a offensive buffer. She can deal decent damage in the earlygame and midgame with her spells, but she falls behind in that category on the later floors and her role becomes debuffing enemies DEF with thunder drum shot and buffing you nukers ATK/MAG with thundercloud stickleback.

c l e a r · « **Reply #526 on:** July 10, 2011, 01:44:33 PM »

Quote from: Esoterica on July 10, 2011, 05:28:23 AM

I found Eirin utterly terrible, but that's just my two cents.

I never really used her, she is just not that good. I like to see if she can change with proper gear and stuff like that.

Rumia is obviously my primary cleric, I would need something to replace Ex-Border for multi-target heals.

I am thinking that Tenshi can be my primary wall, and now I need a second wall just in case I need a wasting swich, or that Tenshi can't do her job properly (which is very likely).

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #527 on:** July 10, 2011, 01:47:17 PM »

Quote from: c l e a r on July 10, 2011, 01:44:33 PM

I am thinking that Tenshi can be my primary wall, and now I need a second wall just in case I need a wasting swich, or that Tenshi can't do her job properly (which is very likely).

Tenshi is very strong on bosses without defense-ignoring attacks, but any boss with Rasetsu Fist or Thousand Hand Cannon can oneshot her due to her terrible HP. That makes her almost useless on most of the lategame bosses.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #528 on:** July 10, 2011, 02:08:48 PM »

Finally! I beat Tam's Foe!
Meiling, Remi, and Iku tanked his attacks like a pro.
Of course, Wriggle's Poison sure helped a lot.

And Reimu's group Heals/Buffs saved my ass.

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #529 on:** July 10, 2011, 02:11:24 PM »

Quote from: Hanzo K. on July 10, 2011, 02:08:48 PM

Finally! I beat Tam's Foe!
Meiling, Remi, and Iku tanked his attacks like a pro.
Of course, Wriggle's Poison sure helped a lot.

And Reimu's group Heals/Buffs saved my ass.

Grats, off to the next floors then! Be careful with events on 8F, if you picked up all frozen frogs on the lower floors picking up the third frog on 8F will lead to a boss battle with Suwako. Suwako and Nitori (on 9F) are optional and it's nothing to worry about if you can't beat them yet. Just go on and come back when you're a few levels higher.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #530 on:** July 10, 2011, 02:58:26 PM »

Well, according to my inventory, I'm still missing two, and I already got two on 8F, so I'm missing one somewhere on an earlier floor.
It's Nitori I want anyhow. DAT LINEAR GUN.

In 8F related news...Who's the pinhead who made that floor XBOX HUEG?!
Seriously, I've had to make 4-5 trips so far, and I've still not got the bloody thing fully mapped out.

The Pros? More Black Onyxes, and Bat Cloaks.
The Cons? HUGE MAP, Durable enemies, and who knows what all else.

Seriously, I've never found a foe short of a boss who Aya couldn't oneshot with Divine Grandson's Advent, and I've finally found one, Anguished Crier.
Those guys are like first-slot tanks, and I bet they drop the onyxes.

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #531 on:** July 10, 2011, 03:17:23 PM »

8F and 17F are the only floors I never fully map out, I always just stay on 8F until I got all the treasures and had the Nitori random encounter.
The Anguished Criers are weak to fire, iirc, so patchouli, yuugi and alice should be able to oneshot them.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #532 on:** July 10, 2011, 03:26:39 PM »

Yeah, but it just bugs me to see it not all mapped out.
I always mapped the floors fully when I played Etrian Odyssey, no matter what.

Pesco · « **Reply #533 on:** July 10, 2011, 03:32:53 PM »

Criers drop pretty terrible items iirc. At least 7F has a 0.7% chance of Forbidden Tablets.

RegalStar · « **Reply #534 on:** July 10, 2011, 03:40:14 PM »

Quote from: Pesco on July 10, 2011, 03:32:53 PM

Criers drop pretty terrible items iirc. At least 7F has a 0.7% chance of Forbidden Tablets.

The ones on 24F drop Portable Makoto Ito though, which are like easier-to-farm versions of ribbons.

c l e a r · « **Reply #535 on:** July 11, 2011, 02:31:04 AM »

I like Portable Makoto Ito, it's certainly easier to drop those than Ribbons, although I have 3, from the chest, and the 2 very lucky drops while I was grinding in the 20th floor.

Hmm, so Tenshi is no so desirable then? Damn, I don't like to use Komachi again, she just way to useful. From the looks of things, nothing really can tank hits other than Eirin and Remi...

I look forward to Okuu using Uncontained Nuke, she seems so weak when I used her and she can't take hits either that the neg stats would seem meaningless.

Uuuuu... what am I do with those large damage (Nitori's Gun, and Last Judgment for example.) without gosp of HP?

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #536 on:** July 11, 2011, 03:13:09 AM »

....Okay, who's the braniac who gave the lost souls instant-kill moves?

Forbidden Tablets grant DTH resist right?
Looks like I've not seen the last of 7F afterall..

c l e a r · « **Reply #537 on:** July 11, 2011, 04:30:55 AM »

I believe Forbidden Tablets got 1% drop, not the wisest idea if you are trying to farm them.

tbh, I just use Ring of Hades, after exploring so much in the floors below, I winded up having enough to shield all 12 members.

Besides, you will need Death Resistance up the ass for

Spoiler:

, so it is a good idea to stock up on those.

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #538 on:** July 11, 2011, 04:34:04 AM »

Hanzo and Nerv, can I get links to the character image sets you're using?

c l e a r · « **Reply #539 on:** July 11, 2011, 04:45:14 AM »

I believe those are just packages that are already available for DL in page 1... I could put mine up a bit later, I vector some of the ones that I don't like from scratch, but I still want to change Nitori and Kaguya since I am using the Pocket Wars Ava for them now.

I really just want to find an awesome picture with Nitori with a BFG (G for Gun), but none are catching my eye so far.

and I cannot find a really good pic of

Spoiler:

that is worthy... (ones that are not done)