Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F (Read 201882 times)

J.O.B · « **Reply #450 on:** July 07, 2011, 10:20:32 AM »

Boss rush completed!
Yay.
Now I just have to get a Divine Spirit Barrirer for my third star.

Gesh86 · « **Reply #451 on:** July 07, 2011, 10:26:13 AM »

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As for Tam's Foe, you might be right. I don't have many Bomb rings though, and the only one I do have is on Youmu for some invariable reason.
So his pattern goes Hellfire-?-?-?-?-Hellfire? Repeating of course.

I think it was Hellfire-?-?-?-Hellfire, repeating

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #452 on:** July 07, 2011, 10:29:22 AM »

Welp, I got Wriggle, and thought I'd try my luck at going after Yuugi.
I got her into KOi3S territory, wherein she absolutely walked all over me.
Thanks to Wriggle's Poisoning ability, I think I might be able to get her when I get a few more levels under my belt.
...Even though it's already 30-32, I should be at the right levels to be getting her, and beat Tam's Foe....Right? Or do I need more levels?

Gesh86 · « **Reply #453 on:** July 07, 2011, 10:41:06 AM »

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...Even though it's already 30-32, I should be at the right levels to be getting her, and beat Tam's Foe....Right? Or do I need more levels?

I don't know by heart right now, but once again, the Touhou Wiki has (semi-)accurate level recommendations for just about any boss. When in doubt, level up.

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Oh-ho-ho-ho, now I see it! I see what I was missing! I didn't explore that one little area on floor 1!
And there it was.

I think everyone had funny situations like these before. I remember having trouble picking up Suika on my first playthrough because there was a gourd-piece on 6F, but you actually had to enter the floor from a very certain spot in 5F! That was such a nuisance...
Just recently I was missing a Frozen Frog to summon Suwako. It was, of course, on a spot that I hadn't uncovered yet. It must look really funny to see me eyes-pressed-on-monitor, looking for those very slight difference on the map.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #454 on:** July 07, 2011, 10:47:57 AM »

I hadn't explored that area at all since I got this game sometime last year...or the year before.
I can't remember when I got this laptop anymore.

Just how many Frozen Frogs are out there anyhow? ~~if there's only like, 3-5, then I might have all of them too.~~
8? Seriously? Hoo boy...good thing I have a strong compulsion to map each floor completely before moving on....usually.

Koakkuri · « **Reply #455 on:** July 07, 2011, 10:56:43 AM »

Be careful when picking up the last one, the battle will trigger automatically and Suwako can be a tough customer.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #456 on:** July 07, 2011, 11:01:15 AM »

Yeah, the wiki mentioned that.
As long as I hit her with the element she's weakest to, I oughta be able to do decent damage right?
Provided I can tank my way through her attacks that is.

Pesco · « **Reply #457 on:** July 07, 2011, 11:38:10 AM »

Hit her with the correct element AND attack stat. Flipflop defenses are gay.

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #458 on:** July 07, 2011, 03:11:42 PM »

Quote from: Hanzo K. on July 07, 2011, 10:29:22 AM

Welp, I got Wriggle, and thought I'd try my luck at going after Yuugi.
I got her into KOi3S territory, wherein she absolutely walked all over me.
Thanks to Wriggle's Poisoning ability, I think I might be able to get her when I get a few more levels under my belt.
...Even though it's already 30-32, I should be at the right levels to be getting her, and beat Tam's Foe....Right? Or do I need more levels?

If you always completely explore a floor before moving on to the next one and never escape from random battles there should be no need to grind at all until you hit the F16 boss. Tam's foe should be beatable with lvl 30. Try to equip Remilia and Meiling with fire-resistance (you should have picked up a few bomb rings on the lower floors) and keep their defenses buffed with great hakurei barrier and promise of the wheat god. Always switch the other 2 active party members out before a flowing hellfire and switch them back in after the boss made his move. As long as you can keep your flowing hellfire tanks alive the boss shouldn't be that hard.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #459 on:** July 08, 2011, 01:00:05 AM »

Keyword there being "Should have".
The only bomb ring I have is...the one Ifrit dropped I think? It might've been from a random Flame, I can't remember anymore.
The flames on floor 3 are insanely rare, and when I got into a fight where I would've probably gotten a bomb ring from them, I ended up getting the Bronze Sorceress's drop, Book of Knowledge, instead.

I'm seriously wondering if I should just get cheat engine to work so I can just get the damn bomb rings that way, since I've been farming for them since this time last night, and no bomb rings.
The only problem being is that those tables just aren't working right. i load up LoT, load my save, boot up CE, target LoT, and load the correct table, but nothing works after that.
I can see what the table's supposed to do, but it won't accept any commands to activate any of the cheats there.

NEETori · « **Reply #460 on:** July 08, 2011, 08:45:29 AM »

Meiling should be able to tank one or two hits with a bomb ring or two and a ton of SKP in fire affinity

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #461 on:** July 08, 2011, 09:24:26 AM »

Without the bomb rings, just what level of Fire affinity should I aim for?
Since they simply aren't dropping for me.

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #462 on:** July 08, 2011, 11:02:48 AM »

Quote from: Hanzo K. on July 08, 2011, 09:24:26 AM

Without the bomb rings, just what level of Fire affinity should I aim for?
Since they simply aren't dropping for me.

Raising affinities via skillpoints is very expensive that early in the game. Aim for ~200 Fire affinity, 150 + bomb ring, that should be enough. The Flowing Hellfire will still take most of your tanks HP, but that's normal. Just heal them up again before the next one.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #463 on:** July 08, 2011, 11:10:35 AM »

Hm, its not that expensive when you consider how quickly floor 3 mooks go down, and they give around 90+ SKP each fight.
I could grind for more SKP on floor 7, but the enemies there are a bit strong, another reason why 7F is hell to me.
Too many Mystic-Aligned foes there to make much use of my primary attacker, Marisa.
her Earthlight Ray is my primary cleaner move, closely followed by Evil-Sealing Circle from Reimu, and DSoTM from Rumia.

J.O.B · « **Reply #464 on:** July 08, 2011, 11:56:48 AM »

When I got there on my first playthrough my main attackers were Chen and Aya.
I think you should use them alot more.
Level up their SPD and ATK and they'll do fine ( except some enemies on 7F resist WND a bit).

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #465 on:** July 08, 2011, 12:15:29 PM »

Hm, I have kinda been neglecting them a fair bit...
I guess I'll give them a go there, they should be able to cut the mustard I guess.

c l e a r · « **Reply #466 on:** July 08, 2011, 02:29:01 PM »

Hey guys,

I got to 30F and was wondering about the drop rates. I can blaze through the floor fine, but SoC and Hibachi Twins v.2 still kicks my ass. I mean, I can definitely cheat, but those boss battles seems pretty fun, so might as well.

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is still plenty of trouble, but manageable.

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can clean up them quite fast, even with the

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.

I think it is 10%, I have only played around 70 battles, and I got 2x Judas Pain, 1x Black Hole Ocarina, and 1x Ultimate ZUN Hat.

I am about Level 52X (Reimu) to 48X (Suwako), and I was wondering if I am just walking into the Habachis with the wrong lineup, or I am really not strong enough yet?

Gesh86 · « **Reply #467 on:** July 08, 2011, 03:12:20 PM »

Quote from: c l e a r on July 08, 2011, 02:29:01 PM

I am about Level 528 (Reimu) to 403 (Pachy), and I was wondering if I am just walking into the Habachis with the wrong lineup, or I am really not strong enough yet?

That span of levels may in fact be a little low. Even with top-tier-lineup or a good strategy, I'd give it a good more 20 levels or so. That way no attack should wipe anyone out suddenly.

Remember to have characters in your group that target DEF and others that target MND (ignoring defenses at all is also nice). Also, don't have Hibachi #2 die first. It'll end in a disaster.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #468 on:** July 08, 2011, 03:20:17 PM »

Yeah, I've heard that #2 goes absolutely bonkers if #1 dies.

Anyhow, as for my exploits...
I was grinding on floor 7, and I got a couple more Blade Cuisinarts.
So there i was with two Blade Cuisinarts, sitting there on 7F.
And then it hit me. Give them to Chen.
Before I knew it, I was raking in the SKP.
After just a half an hours worth of grinding, I got around 25k SKP, all of which went towards Aya's ATK.
She now has 15xx ATK, that should be enough to mop up near any foe on that floor short of a boss shouldn't it? And she's not even got much equipment that'll boost ATK either.
Next order of business? Getting Chen that much ATK.

c l e a r · « **Reply #469 on:** July 08, 2011, 03:46:41 PM »

Chen is absolutely amazing in 10-12F, those Demon-Face Tops can die, die, and die. Oh, just wait till you get to Floor 30 and get to see Chen V.3, oh just wait; even Chen V.2 is nothing at the point you can face her.

I find it rather weird that the Version 3 of

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doesn't flip their shit with

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like their Version 1 counterparts, when 1 of them dies. I had the privilege being at Level 6X, took out

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, and AT THE SAME TURN,

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blows my ass into next year with that Mind Piercing bullshit.

Even at this level,

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still kills me for some reason, I somehow cook up crazy damage and made her Focus on her Turn 2, but I lose the damage race and then

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. I really need to be smarter...

Quote from: Gesh86 on July 08, 2011, 03:12:20 PM

That span of levels may in fact be a little low. Even with top-tier-lineup or a good strategy, I'd give it a good more 20 levels or so. That way no attack should wipe anyone out suddenly.

Remember to have characters in your group that target DEF and others that target MND (ignoring defenses at all is also nice). Also, don't have Hibachi #2 die first. It'll end in a disaster.

Other than Patch,

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,

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, is there ANYONE that can pierce #1?

Few more things on my plate: Does

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has the drop if you win while he is in a form? And what is with that anyways? I dish out about 10,000,000 damage to his initial form, then Form Shift, deal about another 5,000,000, then Form Destruction. I hit for another 1,500,000, then Form Destruction again, and the next attack, I win. O_o

By the way, is there ANYWAY to change

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default portrait (not his battle one), with the special disk?

Lastly, I tried turning off the BGM, I went into Config.exe. Unchecked the top bar, which is the volume. Boot up, the game.... and I still hear it. Help?

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #470 on:** July 08, 2011, 04:03:36 PM »

Quote from: Hanzo K. on July 08, 2011, 03:20:17 PM

Yeah, I've heard that #2 goes absolutely bonkers if #1 dies.

Anyhow, as for my exploits...
I was grinding on floor 7, and I got a couple more Blade Cuisinarts.
So there i was with two Blade Cuisinarts, sitting there on 7F.
And then it hit me. Give them to Chen.
Before I knew it, I was raking in the SKP.
After just a half an hours worth of grinding, I got around 25k SKP, all of which went towards Aya's ATK.
She now has 15xx ATK, that should be enough to mop up near any foe on that floor short of a boss shouldn't it? And she's not even got much equipment that'll boost ATK either.
Next order of business? Getting Chen that much ATK.

While both of them are decent(though I always end up dropping both of them at some point) don't waste too much Skillpoints in boosting Chen's and Aya's ATK if you don't intend to keep them in your team for a long time.1500 ATK on a speedster like Aya seems very good, almost 'too high' for Floor 7.
Have you tried using the Cheat Engine to get 1 or 2 additional bomb rings? If the Cheattable from the first post doesn't work for you try '00181B90' as address for the bomb rings. That adress works for me.

Quote from: c l e a r on July 08, 2011, 03:46:41 PM

Chen is absolutely amazing in 10-12F, those Demon-Face Tops can die, die, and die.

Is it possible for Chen to be faster than Demon-faced tops by the time you reach 12F? That'd really surprise me, those things are so fast that they tend to act twice before slower characters get their turn. Otherwise, any semi-fast character can kill them before they get their second turn.

Quote from: c l e a r on July 08, 2011, 03:46:41 PM

Other than Patch,
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Kaguya
,
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Eiki
, is there ANYONE that can pierce #1?

Isn't #1 the one who can only be harmed by magic attacks? In that case, any character that targets MND should be able to deal damage to it. If it's the other Hibachi - I doubt that Patchy can do any damage to it, Silent Selene still factors in 50% of enemy MND and the Hibachi should have 1.000.000.000 of it. Other than

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and

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, there's

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- She has a defense ignoring attack as well.

Quote from: c l e a r on July 08, 2011, 03:46:41 PM

Few more things on my plate: Does
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Kourin V.3
has the drop if you win while he is in a form? And what is with that anyways? I dish out about 10,000,000 damage to his initial form, then Form Shift, deal about another 5,000,000, then Form Destruction. I hit for another 1,500,000, then Form Destruction again, and the next attack, I win. O_o

I think the item still drops if you win while he is in a form, but I'm not 100% sure.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #471 on:** July 08, 2011, 04:10:36 PM »

So then Aya's gonna be set for a while huh?
Guess all that's left is to boost her SP for Illusory Dominance spammage.

I never could get the tables to work right for some strange reason though.
If i could get the tables to work, I would use that to get more bomb rings to cover for the low drop rate.
...Maybe get a few more Blade Cuisinarts while I'm at it...Youmu would like 'em...

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #472 on:** July 08, 2011, 04:17:37 PM »

Quote from: Hanzo K. on July 08, 2011, 04:10:36 PM

I never could get the tables to work right for some strange reason though.
If i could get the tables to work, I would use that to get more bomb rings to cover for the low drop rate.

They didn't work for me either, so I figured most adresses for my version out myself.
'00181B90' is the real address for bomb rings for me, while the cheattable says '00121BC8'. No idea why it's different.

Parallaxal · « **Reply #473 on:** July 08, 2011, 04:28:35 PM »

Hibachi #1 can be hurt easily with any halfway-decent MND-targetting attack. Piercing attacks aren't really the issue. Even damage formulas that pierce (but not ignore DEF/MND entirely) will do no damage to the Hibachi with that particular defensive attribute. The V2 Hibachis have 1 billion DEF and MND respectively. You'd need, say, 100 million MAG on Patchouli to do more than 0 damage to Hibachi #2 with Silent Selene.

Hibachi V2 has so much HP that it's not really practical to rely on Kaguya for the entire fight. Best have your best magic attackers focus on #1, and physical attacks on #2. Use your DEF-ignoring attackers like Shikieiki to help balance out your damage output.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #474 on:** July 08, 2011, 04:32:47 PM »

So what should I set the value to then? I've messed around with that to no avail.
I dunno if it's supposed to mess with the drop rate, or just plain put 'em in the inventory.

On a different note, I read in the wiki that the Lance of Geios can be found in a treasure box on 7F, but I've got no idea where the heck the box is.
I'm suspecting it's in one of the two southern nooks that I haven't found the warps to yet.

EDIT: Okay, now that was pretty what. I wander around 7F looking for a fight, and who should pop up but Nitori? Cue her getting burned to the ground with a double kimontonkou'd Chen , and Peerless Wind God/Illusory Dominance Spam.

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #475 on:** July 08, 2011, 04:56:21 PM »

Quote from: Hanzo K. on July 08, 2011, 04:32:47 PM

So what should I set the value to then? I've messed around with that to no avail.
I dunno if it's supposed to mess with the drop rate, or just plain put 'em in the inventory.

EDIT: Okay, now that was pretty what. I wander around 7F looking for a fight, and who should pop up but Nitori? Cue her getting burned to the ground with a double kimontonkou'd Chen , and Peerless Wind God/Illusory Dominance Spam.

Unequip all your existing bombrings and set the value to 3 or 4 after that, it's supposed to be the number of bomb rings you have in your inventory and 3 or 4 should be enough for Tam's foe.
Nitori shows up in random encounters on 7F and 8F, that's normal. After you've beaten her on 7F find an event on the map with her. After that she'll appear in a random encounter on 8F again, slightly stronger. After you've found her map-event on 8F she'll then be a boss on 9F, if you defeat her there she'll join.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #476 on:** July 08, 2011, 05:17:24 PM »

Well, I do that, and now CE's refusing to work how I want it.
I boot up both CE and LoT how I'm supposed to, load up the table, change Bomb RIng's address to the right one, and now it won't let me change the value like it did when I didn't know the right value.

EDIT: and now when it wants to let me change the value, changing the Value does absolutely nothing. I'm still stuck on precisely 3 bomb rings, unless someone I'm not using has one I don't remember.

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #477 on:** July 08, 2011, 05:25:15 PM »

Quote from: Hanzo K. on July 08, 2011, 05:17:24 PM

Well, I do that, and now CE's refusing to work how I want it.
I boot up both CE and LoT how I'm supposed to, load up the table, change Bomb RIng's address to the right one, and now it won't let me change the value like it did when I didn't know the right value.

You don't have to load the table, just press 'add address manually', there should be a button for that.
Did you open LoT in CE?

Try the following: Open LoT, load your save, open CE, open LoT in CE, add the address '00181B90' and look at its value. Equip and unequip your bomb rings and look if the value in CE changes accordingly, if it doesn't then the adress isn't the right one.
3 Bomb rings should be enough. Bring Remi's or Meiling's fire affinity to ~150 via skillpoints and then equip the 3 bomb rings to them so that both of them have ~200 fire affinity, they should be able to survive the flowing hellfires then. Use Minoriko and Reimu to heal them up between flowing hellfires. It'll probably take a few tries, but it should be doable.

Pesco · « **Reply #478 on:** July 08, 2011, 05:28:45 PM »

The best way is to still search for the addresses if they happen to be unique for your system.

Start a new search.
'New Search' however many bomb rings you have in your inventory.
Equip one.
'Next Search' however many you have now.
Keep repeating the steps that change your search value until you narrow it down to 1 address.

If you have the address of 1 item, you can find the address of all the other items. Just follow the address spacing pattern in the tables.

c l e a r · « **Reply #479 on:** July 08, 2011, 07:14:45 PM »

Dude, Meiling V.3 just dropped 2 Life Support System in a row.
Meanwhile, I fought the trio at least 10 times now, just give me a bloody Egg! (cries)

EDIT: Well, Habachi Twins took me an hour of agony since the first one kindly took out Kaguya 5 minutes in. I got lucky though, he didn't rinse cycle my ass during the 5 turns where I tried to find 10,000,000 Damage. Instead, he Djinn Stormed, which is easier to deal with.

By comparison, SoC took 20 minutes of standard quick buffing, and unloading as soon I saw Scourge. Thank god no Destroy Magic.

Well, time to grind/cheat enough levels to face ***WINNER*** now, so I can start a play through with not-so-good Chars. Any suggestions? I know that

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, are crazy good, and I don't really want to use them. Though

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is pretty much the central core of the team in late game...

btw, if anyone like to use the Yukari I use attached below, let me know.