Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F (Read 201879 times)

Ghaleon · « **Reply #420 on:** July 01, 2011, 09:17:17 AM »

Pretty sure the wiki actually said Iku's buff only gave 40% too, not 50%. It was pretty bad. Honestly I don't think anybody would have thought she wouldn't be great knowing that the figures were just wrong. I think I mentioned it earlier, but yeah, charge sucks. I used renko in my last playthru without having iku or ran or keine, or any other offensive buffer sans kaggy, who isn't really an atk/mag buffer so much as an action bar buffer. But the sad fact is charge is very difficult to use safely due to its rather crippling side effect...or both of them rather. It doesn't help that you neuter your whole team temporarily, only to get good use of the buff on just 2 people most likely, since renko herself obviously doesn't benefit from the attack stats, and chances are your tank wont really either. Is it really worth inflicting a forbidden fruit AND starbrow break (though weaker) side effect on the entire damn party just to give 2 guys a 40% buff? err..umm..no.

Knowing iku gives 72% though, I still think I'll like ran more (not that I don't think anybody doesn't like ran in this game), if only because I don't have to par-resist the whole party, and I don't have to leave a potentially squishy member out for both buffs AND nuking, much easier to just keep em safe until buffed and let em loose. I'll try her out eventually though.

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #421 on:** July 01, 2011, 11:30:48 AM »

Quote from: Ghaleon on July 01, 2011, 09:17:17 AM

Is it really worth inflicting a forbidden fruit AND starbrow break (though weaker) side effect on the entire damn party just to give 2 guys a 40% buff? err..umm..no.

Knowing iku gives 72% though, I still think I'll like ran more (not that I don't think anybody doesn't like ran in this game), if only because I don't have to par-resist the whole party, and I don't have to leave a potentially squishy member out for both buffs AND nuking, much easier to just keep em safe until buffed and let em loose. I'll try her out eventually though.

Charge buffs by 75%, not 40, iirc. But it's true that it's very difficult to use and most of the time it's probably not worth it.

I used Ran on my first playthrough instead of Iku and I loved her back then, but Ran doesn't get the SP to buff the party to high percents until you hit the Plus Disk content. Not needing high PAR-resistance on everyone is a big plus though.

NEETori · « **Reply #422 on:** July 02, 2011, 01:30:22 AM »

Iku really requires you manipulate your party's speed stat so that she and the nuker barely outspeed the tank AND the enemy. Alternatively, you can have Iku barely underspeed the tank.

Ran is still easier to use. You can also use both to surprising effect.

J.O.B · « **Reply #423 on:** July 02, 2011, 06:12:36 AM »

:toot: Game Completed!!!!

Now onto Plus Disk

zephyredx · « **Reply #424 on:** July 02, 2011, 04:42:52 PM »

Quote from: J.O.B on July 02, 2011, 06:12:36 AM

:toot: Game Completed!!!!

Now onto Plus Disk

Nice. Now get ready for some more ridiculousness from the game.

Wow Kedamagrammaton was surprisingly easy. It looks like Komachi wasn't needed because Marisa (with only 27k hp) actually survived Rankain.

RegalStar · « **Reply #425 on:** July 02, 2011, 04:52:49 PM »

Rankain doesn't pierce MND very well, and Marisa's MND is pretty decent.

[Y]oukai [J]esus · « **Reply #426 on:** July 03, 2011, 01:15:38 PM »

Harrothar. I'm playing Labyrinth Of Touhou Special Disc, english patched version 3.01. Somehow, I can't get the Cheat Engine to work. After starting the CE, then LoT, putting in the cheat table, I get ?? values and I am unable to change them or freeze them. I've tried adding 00010000 to the addresses and It doesn't work. Could someone please help meh?

Pesco · « **Reply #427 on:** July 03, 2011, 02:47:57 PM »

It's been a long time since I did anything on LoT's CE. Did you take the cheat table for Special Disk?

There is also the issue that my cheats will only work with XP. You'll need different hex offsets for other operating systems.

[Y]oukai [J]esus · « **Reply #428 on:** July 03, 2011, 03:31:06 PM »

Yeah, I know it's been a really long time. I've been lurking here sinc- I am the bone of my Sword.

I have little to no experience or knowledge of how in god's name do I use the CE. And Yeah, I took the CT for the Special Disk. I'm using Windows 7 Home Premium. I've tried to "hex offsets" but I bet I did it wrongly because I got a P>

address. If I had time and the endurance to be able to continue grinding my Marisa~, I would. Apparently my neck starts hurting real bad after 2 hours on LoT. Damn, Really sad on this. :/.

Edit: The Verification doesn't accept Jun'ya Ota for the question: Who is the Creator of Touhou. Sadfaec. I tried BEER too.

Pesco · « **Reply #429 on:** July 03, 2011, 04:58:51 PM »

Cheat Engine comes with a practice tutorial for you to get the hang of using it. Basically just search for a value, change it, search for the new value based on how you changed it and you keep doing it until a single address is narrowed down. Then you can edit that value for however you want.

DDRMANIAC007 · « **Reply #430 on:** July 03, 2011, 09:17:56 PM »

Quote from: Pesco on July 03, 2011, 02:47:57 PM

It's been a long time since I did anything on LoT's CE. Did you take the cheat table for Special Disk?

There is also the issue that my cheats will only work with XP. You'll need different hex offsets for other operating systems.

I call complete bull on that. It worked for me on Vista 100% of the time.

[Y]oukai [J]esus · « **Reply #431 on:** July 04, 2011, 01:16:58 AM »

But what value do I search for? When I search the number of exp gained, I get a helload of addresses and I have totally no idea which one to change. :/.

Eliirae · « **Reply #432 on:** July 04, 2011, 03:37:44 AM »

Quote from: Youkai Jesus on July 04, 2011, 01:16:58 AM

But what value do I search for? When I search the number of exp gained, I get a helload of addresses and I have totally no idea which one to change. :/.

What you need to do for EXP gained is win a fight, input the exp you get but don't change anything. Enter another fight, select new search (I think it is, i haven't used the cheat engine for awhile) enter the new EXP value and repeat until you get a single value. Usually you get it at the second search. From there just put in the experience you want and bam.

Same thing works for Skill points

[Y]oukai [J]esus · « **Reply #433 on:** July 04, 2011, 05:06:36 AM »

Gonna test it out, thanks. I'm hoping I can get the correct addresses. Teehee.

Edit: It doesn't seem to be working, I keep getting over 2k addresses, however, some are black, and next scan doesn't work. So I keep using New Scan.

J.O.B · « **Reply #434 on:** July 04, 2011, 06:23:54 AM »

You don't use New Scan.
You're supposed to use Next Scan.
I have no idea why it supposedly doesn't work for you.

Eliirae · « **Reply #435 on:** July 04, 2011, 07:37:23 AM »

Quote from: Youkai Jesus on July 04, 2011, 05:06:36 AM

Gonna test it out, thanks. I'm hoping I can get the correct addresses. Teehee.

Edit: It doesn't seem to be working, I keep getting over 2k addresses, however, some are black, and next scan doesn't work. So I keep using New Scan.

It should work...When you win a battle, you want to stay at the after battle screen (before pressing Z to actually give everyone the exp/skill points) and enter the value. Make sure the drop-down list is set to Exact value and the checkbox for Hex is not checked. Hit New Scan after putting in the value and see what comes out. Back ingame get out of the post-battle screen, enter a new battle, and do the same thing except this time after putting in the new value press the Next Scan button. You should have a single value, so select it, press the red arrow to bring it to the bottom of the screen. Right click that, go into edit, then value. Put in the number you want, then when you return to the game the exp/skill points should be the value you entered.

Pesco · « **Reply #436 on:** July 04, 2011, 03:00:10 PM »

Make sure you've selected to search All Addresses, it's on 32 bit default.

[Y]oukai [J]esus · « **Reply #437 on:** July 05, 2011, 07:04:29 AM »

I uninstalled my Cheat Engine and reinstalled the latest version of it. Works fine now, but I'm unable to find the Monster Encounter Percentage... thing.

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #438 on:** July 05, 2011, 10:37:49 AM »

Quote from: Youkai Jesus on July 05, 2011, 07:04:29 AM

I uninstalled my Cheat Engine and reinstalled the latest version of it. Works fine now, but I'm unable to find the Monster Encounter Percentage... thing.

Choose 'Float' for value type and 'Value between' for scan type.
Example: You enter Floor 1 and make a few steps. Your Encounter Percentage is 11.6%, search for floats between 11 and 12. Make a few steps again, your Percentage is now 33.8%, search for values between 33 and 34 with the 'next scan' option. There should be only 1 adress left.

[Y]oukai [J]esus · « **Reply #439 on:** July 05, 2011, 12:55:52 PM »

Gonna try it tomorrow. Gonna sleep now.

zephyredx · « **Reply #440 on:** July 07, 2011, 06:54:18 AM »

I'm approaching floor 30, so I'm wondering: is floor 29 better for grinding than floor 27? The exp is better, but the skill points pale in comparison due to the lack of Liliths.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #441 on:** July 07, 2011, 07:29:44 AM »

Okay, so I decided to start again from the beginning since I got hung up on the floor 7 boss, likely due in part to having screwed up builds.
I started playing it long before I found this thread, just to let you guys know.

So, I did some grinding on floor 2 so I could beat Chen and Meiling.
Right now my team is as follows.
Reimu = HP/MND/DEF
Marisa = Pure MAG
Patchy = MAG/MND
Sakuya = Heavy ATK/Moderate DEF
Remilia = Same as Sakuya, but more, and with decent HP too.
Chen = Heavy ATK, Moderate SPD
Meiling = Heavy HP/DEF, Moderate MND

So here's what I'm asking, who should go where, now that I have Chen and Meiling?
My normal lineup is like this.
Remi = Slot 1
Reimu = Slot 2
Sakuya = Slot 3
Marisa = Slot 4
And Patchy, Chen, and Meiling are chilling in backup until I can figure out what to do with 'em.
I can't even handle a lone Peg Insect yet. I'm around Lv7-10, and only just recently recruited Chen and Meiling as of this post.

When I fought Chen, Remi's gungnirs(unbuffed, didn't want to risk it) were dinging her for 700+, and Marisa's Magic Missile(no spark yet, only 139 SP) was hitting 500+, despite me having sunk all her levels into MAG, and sunk a fair bit of skillpoints into it too, enough to get it to Lv10. Sakuya was hitting comparble to Remi with Killer Doll, and Reimu was giving buffs the whole time, didn't even need to heal with Remi, Reimu, and Sakuya being pretty tanky, thanks to buffs and build.
Even on floor 2, Patchy's Royal Flare can hit upwards of 1k+, most it's ever dealt was around 14xx.

So basically, Reimu's a slot 2 tank, Remi's the main tank/off nuker, Sakuya's whatever I need at the time, and Marisa's just a Nuker, like she always is.

J.O.B · « **Reply #442 on:** July 07, 2011, 07:47:05 AM »

First of all I would put heavy SPD for Chen until late main game and then switch to ATK.
My Chen has already reached over 1000 SPD at around the 21st floor.
You can put some skillpoints into attack once you get her though.
As for Meiling, put skillpoints in DEF/HP/MND and every once in a while into ATK/MAG (ATK preffered) to boost healing.
Once Meiling becomes more tankier than Remi, switch them.
And once Chen is a good and fast attacker who outspeeds everything, put her in the front line.

Also go vs Cirno now if you feel confident.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #443 on:** July 07, 2011, 07:56:22 AM »

Last time I played, Cirno was "That One Boss"(held me at 2F for a good month's worth of grinding), Youmu and Alice were moreso when I fought them, but still.
I'd rather hold off on her until I'm around Lv13 or something.

So basically, just pump Chen's speed huh? it'll take some grinding, but I think I can do it.
So basically, once Meiling's defensive-based stats outdo Remi, swap 'em?
Even though Remi's my primary spot attacker for those rare few foes I need dead now?
Since her gungnirs do 700+, they kill most of what they come across in one go, short of the Belorof series of monsters. Which are resistant to all I have short of Marisa's Mystic-element attacks.

J.O.B · « **Reply #444 on:** July 07, 2011, 08:06:29 AM »

Drop Reimu or someone else.
Amd once Chen is good enough, switch her with another attacker.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #445 on:** July 07, 2011, 08:21:03 AM »

Hmm...Well, Reimu's Buffs/Heals are a big part of why I'm keeping her around, and Marisa's DPS is invaluable. while Remi fills both tank and DPS roles nicely. Which leaves Sakuya without much to do other than use an occasional Soul Sculpture, Misdirection, or K. Doll.
So I got an idea. Meiling-Remi-Reimu-Marisa.
Maybe once Chen's good enough, I'll swap her with Remi, and go back to two tanky healers.

And the bonus? with Meiling on hand, I can use Remi's self-buff with less risk, since I just need to drop a healer on her, and poof. No status effects.
They were practically meant to be used in tandem. Besides, Remi does what Sakuya can right now, and better.

Oh, by the way.
Which floors are Wriggle's bugs on? I get the feeling that Wriggle might be what I'm missing for the 7F boss. Uhh...Tam's Foe right? That guy's a royal pain, so I want to try using Wriggle's toxins.

J.O.B · « **Reply #446 on:** July 07, 2011, 09:23:33 AM »

She has bugs on 1F-4F.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #447 on:** July 07, 2011, 09:29:06 AM »

Huh, that's funny, I got 4 of them, but the fifth is completely MIA.
Hell, I've mapped all of the floors up to 7, which is incomplete due to lolteleporters.

Gesh86 · « **Reply #448 on:** July 07, 2011, 09:31:00 AM »

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Oh, by the way.
Which floors are Wriggle's bugs on? I get the feeling that Wriggle might be what I'm missing for the 7F boss. Uhh...Tam's Foe right? That guy's a royal pain, so I want to try using Wriggle's toxins.

Wriggle's bugs are on floors 1-4, one for each floor. Basically you can get Wriggle before even fighting Alice. Yup, you've been missing her for quite a while now. Touhou Wiki is your friend, it's not spoiling you more than we are.

If you're loosing to Tam's Foe, you're either still very underleveled or you're not handling his Flowing Hellfire right (he's not hard, really). Try to have 4 durable characters equipped with Bomb Rings and have them eat the very first attack. Another Flowing Hellfire comes after 4 more turns, so have these characters healed and switched in for that.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #449 on:** July 07, 2011, 09:41:36 AM »

...I don't get it, I got each bug then, so why's she not joining up?

As for Tam's Foe, you might be right. I don't have many Bomb rings though, and the only one I do have is on Youmu for some invariable reason.
So his pattern goes Hellfire-?-?-?-?-Hellfire? Repeating of course.

EDIT: See, I've totally mapped out 1-4F, so why isn't Wriggle Joining?
And I'm pretty damn sure i got at least 3, maybe 4.
If it helps, I'm playing the 3.01 Special Disk.
Oh-ho-ho-ho, now I see it! I see what I was missing! I didn't explore that one little area on floor 1!
And there it was.