Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F (Read 201875 times)

RegalStar · « **Reply #360 on:** June 07, 2011, 01:31:28 AM »

Rinnosuke is just incredibly random. The line between "being able to beat him" and "being able to beat him consistently" and "being able to beat him all the time" are really large for me.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #361 on:** June 07, 2011, 05:02:09 AM »

I still find that all you have to do is pass phase 1, even if messily.. and then the randomness amounts to "hit for peanuts colored blue", "hits for peanuts colored red", "hits for peanuts colored purple", etc >=P.

His ratsetsu fist is even the wussiest of pretty much all of the baddies in the game that use them. Especially compared to great stamp's, whose power is pretty much the same much earlier in the game (and lets not even mention his thousand fist khanon!). Despite dying faster, I still find Yukari to be far more dangrous. She just loves that really nasty insect nest spell for me, which seems to plow thru my tank's health as well as most armor piecing moves (and hit others to boot).

NEETori · « **Reply #362 on:** June 07, 2011, 05:16:47 AM »

Of course, experiences will vary depending on how you raise your characters.
I struggled with Kourin due to building a team of glass cannons, while Ghaleon's defensive team tanked him with ease. Conversely, Yukari for me was a breeze cuz I could literally 5-6HKO him with little trouble, but Ghaleon's lower power made it harder for him.

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #363 on:** June 15, 2011, 08:35:54 AM »

Is new game+ harder than a normal new game to compensate for the fact that you can have 12 characters from the very beginning? And what about the skillpoint levels? Will I just breeze through the maingame without any challenge if I decide to keep my skillpointlevels from the save that unlocked new game+?

Pesco · « **Reply #364 on:** June 15, 2011, 08:51:10 AM »

The game difficulty doesn't scale for NG+. If you have anything carried over, it trivializes the game. Playing with just the extra characters available is about the same difficulty unless you pack DTH effect spells. The first few bosses have no resists.

Dr.Strafe · « **Reply #365 on:** June 15, 2011, 01:40:56 PM »

Hm.. I thought the NG+ only carried over the characters. I didn't know there were other options too.

I haven't beaten Winner yet. Got distracted away from the massive grind wall of 30F. I do plan on starting a new game again though...

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #366 on:** June 15, 2011, 02:24:18 PM »

Quote from: Pesco on June 15, 2011, 08:51:10 AM

The game difficulty doesn't scale for NG+. If you have anything carried over, it trivializes the game. Playing with just the extra characters available is about the same difficulty unless you pack DTH effect spells. The first few bosses have no resists.

Thanks, I'll just play with the extra characters then.

I've got a problem though. I've just beaten the winner and saved the game after that, but new game+ doesn't show up in the title screen. I've got all 7 stars in Akyu's house. Is this a known problem and is there a solution to it?
Edit: I'm a retard, the game asked me if I want to carry over my characters, etc. after the prologue when I started playing a 'normal' new game.

Parallaxal · « **Reply #367 on:** June 16, 2011, 04:06:46 AM »

Carrying over skill points makes your characters start with several time their normal stats. Yeah, things get ridiculous from there on out. (Although it would have been cool to keep that Machine God Lucifer...)

Anyway, if anyone's interested, a friend of mine has been streaming a Labyrinth of Touhou runthrough lately. He's currently on floor 4 right now. If anyone wants to stop by, and perhaps chat with me and whoever else is watching, then please feel free to join us.

http://www.justin.tv/koishi__komeiji#/w/1342376592

J.O.B · « **Reply #368 on:** June 16, 2011, 04:55:29 AM »

I FINALLY BEAT RINNOSUKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TAKE THAT BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Geez I hate that battle!
But I finished with 8 people left.

Barrakketh · « **Reply #369 on:** June 16, 2011, 04:59:04 AM »

Quote from: Parallaxal on June 16, 2011, 04:06:46 AM

(Although it would have been cool to keep that Machine God Lucifer...)

What happened?

Parallaxal · « **Reply #370 on:** June 16, 2011, 05:00:47 AM »

I meant just starting a new game while keeping all my equipment (which I did not end up doing in the end).

(And on a side note, I finally finished reading Mirai Nikki today.)

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #371 on:** June 16, 2011, 08:16:48 PM »

I've got a question for all those who played new game+:
Doesn't Nitori show up in a random encounter on 7F in a new game+ playthrough?
I've already finished everything on that floor and just fought random battles for 30 minutes but didn't run into her, am I just extremely unlucky?

Edit: Went to the SDM and dropped Nitori from my team. Tried again -> first random encounter was the Nitori battle. Either i was EXTREMELY unlucky, or the game doesn't let you fight Nitori if Nitori is in your team of 12.

Barrakketh · « **Reply #372 on:** June 16, 2011, 08:33:21 PM »

Quote from: Parallaxal on June 16, 2011, 05:00:47 AM

I meant just starting a new game while keeping all my equipment (which I did not end up doing in the end).

Ah, I thought you forgot to unequip it or something and lost it starting a NG+.

I started playing the game again for the first time since *checks* February. The enemies on 13F are annoying since a few of them (including Amazoness Rabbits) are fast enough that they'll take their turns before almost all of my characters and I end up having to go back to Gensokyo since they keep killing off my sweepers (Patchy and Marisa are Shadowstich magnets...I don't think I've seen them use it on anything but the 3rd and 4th slots).

zephyredx · « **Reply #373 on:** June 17, 2011, 04:10:10 AM »

Yay just finished the (regular) game today. Took a few tries to finish it, especially because Djinn Storm + ATK buff = AHHH I CAN'T EVEN HEAL. Fortunately she decided to spend a few turns doing 0 damage to Tenshi, allowing Patchy, Yuugi and Suika to recover some SP and finish her off.

Is it possible to transfer my save file to a plus-disk version somehow?

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #374 on:** June 17, 2011, 08:09:11 AM »

Quote from: zephyredx on June 17, 2011, 04:10:10 AM

Is it possible to transfer my save file to a plus-disk version somehow?

It should be, I was able to transfer my saves from 2.04 to 3.01, so I guess it should be possible to transfer saves from 1.xy to 2.04
What version is your game? If it's 2.04 or 2.06 you already have the plus disk installed. I recommend getting 3.01.

zephyredx · « **Reply #375 on:** June 17, 2011, 05:48:21 PM »

Oh...I have 2.04, and it seems I can already access a small part of F21. Time to go get some stars...

FantomFang · « **Reply #376 on:** June 21, 2011, 03:07:53 AM »

Hello all, I was around a while back (can't remember exactly when for the life of me, but w/e) enjoying this game but my interest eventually died out shortly after hitting floor 30. If I recall correctly, another game I was waiting for at the time kind of eclipsed my interest in going through the grind wall at the end

Anyways, I was planning on going back through this again, actually completing the plus disk (final boss and all) and thought I'd use the new game+ file posted in the thread so that I could grab the team I wanted from the start this time around. So I thought I'd ask you all for some character recommendations for my play through.

My team from my last play through (at least by where I am now) was:

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I really want to use Iku again, because I love me my buffs from her (also, ridiculous mind tank). I wouldn't mind reusing some of the others, but otherwise I wanna mix it up with a slightly different party that I'll be able to beat everything with (without changing it up - I'd like to stick with the same 12 the entire game).
Anyways, I could pick up em all myself of course, but I thought I'd see if anyone would like to advise me some fun characters to use, considering I never really used most of them (I'm playing 3.01 for reference, although I don't know if it matters for anything other than Nitori here).

Hoping to hear some interesting opinions!

P.S. Great let's play btw Para, it's too bad you never finished the let's play portion of the plus disk with your underappreciated team (although I guess it wouldn't really have as much interesting stuff as the main game)

EDIT: Oh, and where should i put the NG+ data? It's not clear to me if it goes in a save slot (save1, save2, save3) or one of the others (data, saveNaN) as they all seem to have the exact same file contents (if not the same info in each file)

Pesco · « **Reply #377 on:** June 21, 2011, 08:50:51 AM »

Rename the NG+ to save1, 2, or 3. Whichever one you don't need to keep.

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #378 on:** June 23, 2011, 02:47:21 PM »

Quote from: FantomFang on June 21, 2011, 03:07:53 AM

Anyways, I could pick up em all myself of course, but I thought I'd see if anyone would like to advise me some fun characters to use

Some lategame characters like

Spoiler:

are almost unusable in the earlygame because of their ridiculously high SP-costs, other than that you can win with pretty much any team. I'd recommend

Spoiler:

, since you apparently didn't use her and she has the same defensive buff as Reimu's Great Hakurei Barrier, I really found some bosses to be a lot more difficult without Great Hakurei Barrier/IN Quadruple Barrier. Also

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is great in 3.01, Extending Arms is very useful on trash and a buffed Megawatt Gun is easily one of the strongest attacks in the game. Remilia can be built to be a quite effective and very fast physical damagedealer who can pretty much sit in slot2 24/7, but I assume you used her until F18 and replaced her with

Spoiler:

in your previous playthrough.

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's healing spell might seem extremely weak in the earlygame but later on her MAG begins to rise faster than most characters HP and she can heal for decent amounts, especially if buffed by a character like

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.

RegalStar · « **Reply #379 on:** June 23, 2011, 05:36:56 PM »

Quote from: Nerv-Faktor on June 23, 2011, 02:47:21 PM

Some lategame characters like
Spoiler:
Okuu and Eiki
are almost unusable in the earlygame because of their ridiculously high SP-costs, other than that you can win with pretty much any team. I'd recommend
Spoiler:
Yukari
, since you apparently didn't use her and she has the same defensive buff as Reimu's Great Hakurei Barrier, I really found some bosses to be a lot more difficult without Great Hakurei Barrier/IN Quadruple Barrier. Also
Spoiler:
Nitori
is great in 3.01, Extending Arms is very useful on trash and a buffed Megawatt Gun is easily one of the strongest attacks in the game. Remilia can be built to be a quite effective and very fast physical damagedealer who can pretty much sit in slot2 24/7, but I assume you used her until F18 and replaced her with
Spoiler:
Rinnosuke
in your previous playthrough.
Spoiler:
Rumia
's healing spell might seem extremely weak in the earlygame but later on her MAG begins to rise faster than most characters HP and she can heal for decent amounts, especially if buffed by a character like
Spoiler:
Iku
.

I'm pretty sure nobody cares about spoilering names any more. Besides, it's not like we can't guess which character has a card called IN Quadraple Barrier anyways.

FantomFang · « **Reply #380 on:** June 23, 2011, 06:47:34 PM »

Haha yeah, I can imagine that there's likely almost no one who would come here at this point who would be spoiled by it. I know I spoilered my party out of habit from back when I played the game originally and frequented the thread.

Quote

Some lategame characters like Okuu and Eiki are almost unusable in the earlygame because of their ridiculously high SP-costs, other than that you can win with pretty much any team. I'd recommend Yukari, since you apparently didn't use her and she has the same defensive buff as Reimu's Great Hakurei Barrier, I really found some bosses to be a lot more difficult without Great Hakurei Barrier/IN Quadruple Barrier. Also Nitori is great in 3.01, Extending Arms is very useful on trash and a buffed Megawatt Gun is easily one of the strongest attacks in the game. Remilia can be built to be a quite effective and very fast physical damagedealer who can pretty much sit in slot2 24/7, but I assume you used her until F18 and replaced her with Rinnosuke in your previous playthrough. Rumia's healing spell might seem extremely weak in the earlygame but later on her MAG begins to rise faster than most characters HP and she can heal for decent amounts, especially if buffed by a character like Iku.

I actually dropped Remiliar much earlier to be honest - I was kinda turned off by her only having two abilities at the time (although I now realize that having two abilities to use effectively in perpetuity is more than some characters have). I think I may very well use Yukari - I figured since I hadn't used Rumia (who you mentioned too) I could grab Yukari/Rumia to replace Reimu and use Iku to buff Rumia for the heal, and the actually decent nuke. I also wanted to use Nitori. So, with those and others I think I want to bring (I'll probably change a couple characters late-game though)...

Remilia (Tanky DPS) - ATK Build
Yukari (Off-Tank/Def Buff/Support) - DEF/MND Build?
Iku (Mind Tank/Off Buff) - MND Build
Nitori (Phys Nuker) - ATK Build
Rumia (Healer/Mag Nuker) - MAG Build
Minoriko(Healer/Support) -

Mystia (Phys Nuker/Trash Killer) - ATK Build

Not sure atm otw...Yuyuko/Rin/Kanako interst me, and I plan to at least use Eiki and/or Kaguya at some point (I just love the DEF ignoring propery so much, dunno when I'll bring them in though). Also might want a desperation nuker... Also thinking of tanking with Tenshi, but I'm worried I won't have the HP with her to tank most of the time. Any advice on that front? Will she be ok despite the increasing def-ignoring attacks as the game goes on or should I stick with my original tank, Meiling? (Don't really want to use Komachi for that purpose, as I really don't care to use Eirin, and I'd rather not use Rinnosuke as a tank - don't think he levels fast enough to make his amazing growths good enough for main tank purposes).

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #381 on:** June 23, 2011, 09:11:34 PM »

Quote from: FantomFang on June 23, 2011, 06:47:34 PM

Also thinking of tanking with Tenshi, but I'm worried I won't have the HP with her to tank most of the time. Any advice on that front? Will she be ok despite the increasing def-ignoring attacks as the game goes on or should I stick with my original tank, Meiling? Don't really want to use Komachi for that purpose, as I really don't care to use Eirin

Tenshi is good on bosses without defense-ignoring attacks and ridiculous on bosses with composite attacks (0 damage from Flandre's Laevateinn after selfbuff) but gets 1HKO'd by any boss with rasetsu fist. You will need another tank for those bosses. You don't need Eirin if you want to use Komachi, Minoriko can heal her just as well and most of the time Reimu alone is enough. I'm not sure, but I think even a full ATK-built Remilia should be able to serve as a good tank for Bosses where Tenshi doesn't cut it, at least during the maingame.
If you plan to use Minoriko you don't need to invest in her MAG much. Her healspell will heal most characters for 100% even if you use most level-up bonuses for raising her MND.

FantomFang · « **Reply #382 on:** June 23, 2011, 11:07:38 PM »

Quote from: Nerv-Faktor on June 23, 2011, 09:11:34 PM

Tenshi is good on bosses without defense-ignoring attacks and ridiculous on bosses with composite attacks (0 damage from Flandre's Laevateinn after selfbuff) but gets 1HKO'd by any boss with rasetsu fist. You will need another tank for those bosses. You don't need Eirin if you want to use Komachi, Minoriko can heal her just as well and most of the time Reimu alone is enough. I'm not sure, but I think even a full ATK-built Remilia should be able to serve as a good tank for Bosses where Tenshi doesn't cut it, at least during the maingame.
If you plan to use Minoriko you don't need to invest in her MAG much. Her healspell will heal most characters for 100% even if you use most level-up bonuses for raising her MND.

Would ATK Komachi develop sufficient HP to tank the bosses who love to ignore defense, especially in postgame?
EDIT: wait I still have my old postgame file I'll just check that when I get home.

The Greatest Dog · « **Reply #383 on:** June 23, 2011, 11:32:52 PM »

Quote from: FantomFang on June 23, 2011, 11:07:38 PM

Would ATK Komachi develop sufficient HP to tank the bosses who love to ignore defense, especially in postgame?
EDIT: wait I still have my old postgame file I'll just check that when I get home.

While ATK Komachi still have a very nice HP and everything, I dunno if she has the amount you need.
But there's still absolutely nothing that some skill points can't fix.

Eliirae · « **Reply #384 on:** June 24, 2011, 12:19:02 AM »

It's not like you'd need obscene amounts of HP for the main game, anyway. It's really in the post game where Tenshi won't do that well, since almost everything gets defense piercing attacks.

NEETori · « **Reply #385 on:** June 24, 2011, 04:13:23 AM »

Not like Meiling can't tank everything that Komachi can't handle. There's only one boss where Komachi's superior, anyways.

FantomFang · « **Reply #386 on:** June 24, 2011, 04:17:34 AM »

Quote from: Eliirae on June 24, 2011, 12:19:02 AM

It's not like you'd need obscene amounts of HP for the main game, anyway. It's really in the post game where Tenshi won't do that well, since almost everything gets defense piercing attacks.

True, true. I planned on making some switches for post-game anyways, just want to try out and enjoy characters I haven't played yet.
I think my final party will look like this:

Tenshi - DEF/MND
Yukari - DEF/MND
Orin - ATK or ATK/MAG
Suika - ATK
Komachi - HP or ATK
Minoriko - MND
Rumia - MAG
Iku - MND
Remilia - ATK or DEF or ATK/DEF
Alice - MAG
Mystia - ATK
Nitori - ATK

How's that look? Any opinions on how I should build Remilia with this party? I'm unsure how I should build her considering what I'm placing around her.

NEETori · « **Reply #387 on:** June 24, 2011, 05:43:36 AM »

Looks good. For Orin, stick to pure ATK, or, I might sound a little crazy, maybe a bit of MND can't hurt either. Same with Suika. Not more than let's say, 10-15% of the level up points, but it does notably improve their already good mind. Komachi should have primarily attack, although splitting HP/ATK at your discretion works well too - my Komachi with no ATK gear and only HP+ gear still has as much attack as some of my not-Nitori/Yuugi attackers.

The Greatest Dog · « **Reply #388 on:** June 24, 2011, 06:28:45 AM »

The only thing about Komachi versus Meiling is that while Komachi can be a very nice attacker and tank at the same time, she can't use defensive buffs to prevent damage. This... reduces the use of full party buffs like Keine's and Reimu's and Yukari's, and therefore her only upkeep comes from healing (preferably Minoriko, or Sanae or Eirin if you feel the need).

Oh, and debuffs, too, but they're piddly weak.

Nerv-Faktor · « **Reply #389 on:** June 24, 2011, 07:42:38 AM »

Quote from: FantomFang on June 24, 2011, 04:17:34 AM

Remilia - ATK or DEF or ATK/DEF

I'd stick to either pure DEF/MND or pure ATK on Remilia, other than that everything looks good. Since you're taking Komachi, Tenshi and Yukari, I'd say you should spend all of Remi's lvl-up bonuses on ATK. It's not like she can't tank a bit even if you use all her points in ATK.