Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F (Read 201875 times)

Serela · « **Reply #330 on:** May 31, 2011, 07:16:56 PM »

Quote from: NEETori on May 31, 2011, 07:06:44 PM

Labyrinth of Touhou - you know you're doing it right finally when you have nobody but Meiling left, and she punches out the boss.

meiling spending an hour soloing 22F boss underleveled is awesome

NEETori · « **Reply #331 on:** May 31, 2011, 07:19:50 PM »

Somoene punched out WinRar with Meiling. It was hilarious watching China punch out Winner. But that's also proof she's probably the best character in the game.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #332 on:** May 31, 2011, 07:48:46 PM »

Was the guy so overlevel that he could tank scourge?! At those levels... yeahhh...

Serela · « **Reply #333 on:** May 31, 2011, 08:05:36 PM »

Winner doesn't HAVE Scourge ;P

...he doesn't have ANY particularly dangerous attacks other then Time Stop, really. Magical Tempest and Aule Hammer and Sword of Light can be a bit of a pain normally, but aren't anything to Meiling.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #334 on:** May 31, 2011, 08:17:59 PM »

Ahh, I thought it was one of his random phase 3 attacks, must be thinking of SoC

Battler · « **Reply #335 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:09:30 PM »

I think someone earlier on mentioned that the character files were easily accessible? Where/what would they be? I'm curious, since I want to try messing around with them. Not that I'm a hex wizard or anything, but I think it'd be fun to try.

Pesco · « **Reply #336 on:** June 01, 2011, 08:28:54 AM »

Character files are in the save folder. Data about the floors are in there too iirc.

Battler · « **Reply #337 on:** June 01, 2011, 11:42:52 AM »

Oh god what have I done.

Serela · « **Reply #338 on:** June 01, 2011, 07:40:37 PM »

rofl what DID you do

Jq1790 · « **Reply #339 on:** June 01, 2011, 08:53:08 PM »

I'm...guessing 16f isn't the one where there's random spots of blank space you can walk on by taking a teleporter somewhere? IIRC isn't there one like that, where screenshots like these would actually make sense?

Pesco · « **Reply #340 on:** June 01, 2011, 08:54:03 PM »

That was Floor 20 something.

Battler · « **Reply #341 on:** June 02, 2011, 12:23:07 PM »

Well, I'm less than sure about how my little modifications ended up causing that, but I did learn something interesting out of it. It seems that Events like treasures, bosses, seals, etc, are all mapped to given coordinates, rather than actually built into the dungeon map itself. If you look carefully, you'll see that all those Events are actually shifted over exactly 4 squares to the right. In some cases, this results in them being outside of the walls, and there's nothing stopping that (part of why Floor 23 is even possible).

Interestingly enough, this has no effect at all on their function. I warp in at the new location of the Relay Point, the stairs still bring me up to the correct location in Floor 17 (not shifted over, since that only applies to Floor 16), the fight with Yukari works perfectly... heck, even the Seal that I can actually reach will, if I step on it, push me one space to the left. (Not that that actually does anything anymore).

Unintentional find, but I think it's kinda cool.

EDIT: Actually, looking again, that Seal should actually be in the middle of the U-turn hallway, meaning that it SHOULD push me down a space. It instead pushes me left, because pushing me Down or to the Right would result in me being pushed through the wall. Good to see they're not lazy with their programming.

Teshlun · « **Reply #342 on:** June 02, 2011, 02:11:29 PM »

That is odd behavior, considering it's very possible to eject yourself through walls. Did it always send you left even if you entered from above it? If it still does, that makes me wonder why they didn't fix other gates from letting you leave the labyrinth.

For example:
It's only possible at intersections with a turn, so this intersection on Floor 11 was the first that I could think of. It works just like ignoring the one-way gates on the late plus disk floors. In this case, you press the opposite direction of where you wish to be put (Down here). Time it correctly, and when the gate forces you to backtrack, you're outside. This obviously only works when a gate won't let you pass.

You are free to wander about after you've left the confines, just like Floor 23, but if you go too far in any given direction, the game crashes. You can reenter through the walls at any point, and in conjunction with the staircase picture below, can reach the relay point on Floor 12 much quicker. I'm sure there's other exploits that might be possible.

Barrakketh · « **Reply #343 on:** June 04, 2011, 02:57:26 AM »

Quote from: Gesh86 on May 28, 2011, 11:39:36 AM

As massive as the whole puzzle and as hard the encounters of 10-12F might be, that's probably one of my favourite parts in the entire game.

It made me lose the urge to continue playing. I finished it and the boss battle, and haven't opened the game since. The whole puzzle was tedious, and going back and flipping switches yet again to pick up some of the items I missed was similarly tedious.

NEETori · « **Reply #344 on:** June 04, 2011, 03:28:10 AM »

I used the wiki for it through the 17th Floors. No lie.

Pesco · « **Reply #345 on:** June 04, 2011, 07:22:19 AM »

I did 7F completely by memory

J.O.B · « **Reply #346 on:** June 04, 2011, 07:28:05 AM »

Quote from: Pesco on June 04, 2011, 07:22:19 AM

I did 7F completely by memory

Show off D:<

Rinnosuke is really pissing me off now!
Reimu lvl 104 (I think) and I only just got to the final phase for the first time.
And even then that was only due to Tenshi not taking any damage from the Wind form and beating it with WCP.

Gesh86 · « **Reply #347 on:** June 04, 2011, 01:38:48 PM »

I did 7F and 17F by drawing a map on paper, with notes where which teleporter leads to (I even had symbols for teleporters that were one-way or worked in a triangle). Now that sounds super-annoying I know, but it was actually extremely fun because it was so oldschool...I know I'm a freak. :smug:

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #348 on:** June 04, 2011, 06:57:43 PM »

Yes you are.

Question: I know that getting Chen is mandatory to complete the game, but you don't actually have to have her until 9F, right? So does anything change if you hold off on getting her until then?

Pesco · « **Reply #349 on:** June 04, 2011, 07:00:23 PM »

She becomes even easier to beat. You could probably get Patchoulli to solo melee her.

Serela · « **Reply #350 on:** June 04, 2011, 08:14:50 PM »

And you'll be cockblocked from the relay point at the end of the 9F maze, I guess ;P

So after you get Chen you'll have to walk through the whoooole thing again.

J.O.B · « **Reply #351 on:** June 05, 2011, 06:14:55 AM »

What do you guys think I should do?
Level up Tenshi's defenses till she takes no damage at all from Rinnosuke (even after World Shaking Military Rule)?
Level up Meiling's defenses till she takes no damage from all but Rinnosuke's last form?
Or Level up my nukers so they can take a hit better?

~~We will be back with the result right after the break.~~

Pesco · « **Reply #352 on:** June 05, 2011, 07:43:43 AM »

Boost Meiling imo because defensive builds are king in the game and she'll be your main tank in postgame.

NEETori · « **Reply #353 on:** June 05, 2011, 09:50:32 AM »

Meiling because she's the best tank overall with the highest overall defenses and flexibility.

RegalStar · « **Reply #354 on:** June 06, 2011, 03:09:10 AM »

Quote from: J.O.B on June 05, 2011, 06:14:55 AM

Level up Tenshi's defenses till she takes no damage at all from Rinnosuke (even after World Shaking Military Rule)?

You can't do that because Rinnosuke's initial form has Rasetsu Fist. Even if you ignore its existence, FIR form has Hell Pyre (or whatever the English patch translated it to), which has a DEF factor of 20 and thus requires Tenshi to have 26000 DEF (after buffs) to take 0 damage from.

What you can do is to level until Tenshi can take no damage from any of Rinnosuke's elemental forms except Hell Pyre (which doesn't do much damage and can be reduced with FIR affinity), Get Meiling to tank you through initial form, then sic on Tenshi. Also, kill Rinnosuke ASAP when he's in final form.

The Greatest Dog · « **Reply #355 on:** June 06, 2011, 03:58:36 AM »

Hey, uh, has anyone found a good use for Yuka, in NG+ or Post game or anything?
I'm trying to use her, but I dunno how she should be built now...

NEETori · « **Reply #356 on:** June 06, 2011, 05:41:09 AM »

You can probably run her as another nuker. She's got really high bulk, but she's so slow, and only has Flower Shot as a low delay attack, so I'm not sure how well a stay-in attacker will work. She's pretty good as a defensive pivot, from what little I've used her, and a second Master Spark might be useful in taking down stuff in NG+.

zephyredx · « **Reply #357 on:** June 06, 2011, 11:18:52 AM »

Quote from: RegalStar on June 06, 2011, 03:09:10 AM

You can't do that because Rinnosuke's initial form has Rasetsu Fist. Even if you ignore its existence, FIR form has Hell Pyre (or whatever the English patch translated it to), which has a DEF factor of 20 and thus requires Tenshi to have 26000 DEF (after buffs) to take 0 damage from.

What you can do is to level until Tenshi can take no damage from any of Rinnosuke's elemental forms except Hell Pyre (which doesn't do much damage and can be reduced with FIR affinity), Get Meiling to tank you through initial form, then sic on Tenshi. Also, kill Rinnosuke ASAP when he's in final form.

I haven't beaten RInnosuke yet, but I just came up with a plan that will probably work given a few attempts.

Tenshi with State of Enlightenment takes 0 damage from everything except a few things like Rasetsu Fist. So once 3 people have died, you can have Tenshi stall the game indefinitely with focus/SoE spam. This allows:
1) Everyone to regain HP/SP for free
2) Ran to give everyone 100% DEF/MND (and also 100% ATK/MAG if you have the patience)
3) Aya/Sakuya to give most character close to 100% speed
4) All nukes to get 100% ATK/MAG or close

Unfortunately, this will probably drain all of Tenshi's TP, so you will be left with three slots. This should be ok as long as enough nukes survive to the final phase. Also, make sure none of the indispensable characters are among the 3 to die (Ran, speedsters, Reimu, etc.)

When Rinnosuke is on his last elemental form (hopefully not Fire, but even if so, just heal Tenshi every once in a while), stall again, and buff the remaining nukes again. Then just damage race the last form, which shouldn't be too hard as long as you kill him before Military Rule.

You can't predict which 3 characters will be sacrificed, but ideally it will be characters who have performed their functions (i.e.: Suwako after nuking away the WND form, etc)

EDIT: Heaven's Lightning may also damage Tenshi a bit, depending on your DEF/MND % at the time. Make sure to have someone heal Tenshi every once in a while.

NEW EDIT: Magic Drain on Tenshi = RAGEEEEEEEEEEE

NEETori · « **Reply #358 on:** June 06, 2011, 12:18:18 PM »

Actually, Fire Form is the lowest threat, and it's safe to switch a healer in on that form in order to heal Tenshi if he spams Explosive Flame Sword.
But that's also the general recommended strategy - switch everyone out whenever it's safe for Tenshi to sit in and tank.

zephyredx · « **Reply #359 on:** June 06, 2011, 12:31:50 PM »

Yay finally beat Rinnosuke with that strategy. Ended up not using Tenshi toward the end because everyone had SP to burn.