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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #240 on: May 15, 2011, 05:29:29 PM »
The english patch doesn't change any of the game files. It's an edited exe.

Re-install is probably the best thing to do.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #241 on: May 15, 2011, 05:34:48 PM »
It never asked me to install it, just gave me a list of some programs and to view it's folder.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #242 on: May 15, 2011, 06:50:02 PM »
Same as the last one I posted (this one), but.  I switched my opening lineup to Tenshi, Meirin, Yukari, and Nitori, and booted Remilia for Sanae because Remilia's weak as hell and Sanae has buffs/healing (assuming she doesn't die first).  My strategy is built around the following criteria:

A) Kourin does not open with heavenly demise (1 hit Nitori)
B) Nitori must not die (FFFFFFFFFF-)
C) Tenshi must not die (this is pretty rare anyway)
D) My party must not be crippled beyond repair (assuming I actually make it through criteria A/B)

EDIT: There we go.  Finally killed that bastard >_>.

ONWARD TO FLOOR 19!!

I actually grinded on 20F before running around 19F >_>
Kourin/Nitori/Marisa/Flan
Everyone must be faster than Flan.  Kourin Military Rules, Marisa Spark, MWLG and then Lavatein. 

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #243 on: May 15, 2011, 07:01:28 PM »
Hey if I didn't mention I have the Special Disc, do I need the original Labyrinth of TouHou and the Plus disc to properly install the Special Disc?

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #244 on: May 15, 2011, 07:27:41 PM »
Hey if I didn't mention I have the Special Disc, do I need the original Labyrinth of TouHou and the Plus disc to properly install the Special Disc?
No. Special Disk is just a combination of the original and plus disk on one handy disc.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #245 on: May 15, 2011, 07:40:02 PM »
I actually grinded on 20F before running around 19F >_>
Kourin/Nitori/Marisa/Flan
Everyone must be faster than Flan.  Kourin Military Rules, Marisa Spark, MWLG and then Lavatein.
I may just have to do that, it seems like awesome exp.  Also holy shit Kourin's awesome.  High HP, relatively high speed, relatively high defences, high attack, high affinities to everything but spirit... I only got his attack to 40 and he's already at 8146 without equips.  It's a shame his TP is so low.

EDIT: Found an Armads.  50% attack and 12TP, it's like it was built for him...
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #246 on: May 15, 2011, 08:02:01 PM »
No. Special Disk is just a combination of the original and plus disk on one handy disc.

So, is there any fix for my error?

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #247 on: May 15, 2011, 09:08:38 PM »
I may just have to do that, it seems like awesome exp.  Also holy shit Kourin's awesome.  High HP, relatively high speed, relatively high defences, high attack, high affinities to everything but spirit... I only got his attack to 40 and he's already at 8146 without equips.  It's a shame his TP is so low.

EDIT: Found an Armads.  50% attack and 12TP, it's like it was built for him...

IIRC, Armads used to be knocked due to its relative suckishness compared to Flower Blade Kikryusei (which is awesome), but since Iku's gotten a lot more popular, it's one of the best items for a physical attacker.

Kourin slows down HEAVILY during the plus disk (his damage output will be good up until 24F, where your nukers begin to severely outdamage him.  at ths time though, he should be competing with them easily).  Inversely, Remilia should be picking up steam like Reisen, due to the fact  that she has essentially the same stats as Rinnosuke, but her self-buff lets her keep them doubled (except speed :\)

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #248 on: May 15, 2011, 10:06:29 PM »
Uh? Didn't cootiesuke have relatively average hp? (and low for a physical nuke) I seem to recall Remi having significantly more is all.
Honestly, his stats are impressive, but his formulas are not, his best spell can only be used once per battle, and during a boss, not only can you only use it once, but you cannot switch him out after either. I don't really see him as being all that. He's better than Remi offensively as a 2nd slot hybrid tank/nuke if you can maintain high buffs on him and everyone else though. I've only used Ran once, and Iku 0 times (she sucked on paper when her buff claimed to be only 40% or whatever the old figure was), so I don't really have experience playing with a party that can easily maintain offensive buffs quite yet. The time I used ran was pure love though.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #249 on: May 15, 2011, 10:13:12 PM »
The stats make up for the formula early on but then as his slow leveling, bad random encounter handling, and mediocre formulas become more apparent, he quickly becomes weaker.  Scarlet Gold Sword is literally the only good attack he has in the Plus Disk not including his buff, but it's better than Spear the Gungnir, and considering Remilia has pretty much the same stats, and the ability to self-buff, she's more independent than he is (Kourin will put up slightly better damage if you have someone to support him.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #250 on: May 15, 2011, 10:27:41 PM »
I've only used Ran once, and Iku 0 times (she sucked on paper when her buff claimed to be only 40% or whatever the old figure was), so I don't really have experience playing with a party that can easily maintain offensive buffs quite yet. The time I used ran was pure love though.
I was about to hate on Ran, but I just noticed she also buffs reserves... That's pretty sexy.  Iku does +72% att/mag, but the chance of paralyze, the single target, and her low physical durability makes it tough to use.  I'm not a fan of her myself (especially for the luck element with paralyze, even if it is rare), but I'll admit she is useful.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #251 on: May 15, 2011, 11:47:45 PM »
Iku does +72% att/mag, but the chance of paralyze, the single target, and her low physical durability makes it tough to use.
Iku is also one of, if not the, BEST magic tanker in the game. And magic attacks are FAR more common on bosses then physicals; a vast amount of bosses have one or no physical attacks at all, including Yukari and the final boss (after you take out the Shredding Amneseri or whatever that addon is).

Having a paralysis-immune party is a pretty good thing overall anyway. And the damage boost from Iku FAR surpasses what non-par-resistant equipment would bring.

The single target doesn't really make it hard to use either, as you'll probably only have one or two people out at a time who'd need the buff anyway, and due to the big amount of buffing it gives, it doesn't need to be renewed often on non-superfast-attackers.

About Rinnosuke, it's worth mentioning that Shining Stars of Traumeiri or however you spell it does a decent amount more damage then Scarlet Gold Sword when you've got buffs on him, assuming neutral MYS affinity and non-major defensive stats. But in general, Rinnosuke isn't really a very exciting character. All his stats are above average, but none of them are particularly good either. He's a lot like a Remi with worse HP/Speed/Delay and no self-buff in exchange for better skill variety.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #252 on: May 16, 2011, 06:33:39 AM »
Having a paralysis-immune party is a pretty good thing overall anyway. And the damage boost from Iku FAR surpasses what non-par-resistant equipment would bring.

Further note on this: equips add onto the modifier stored in your stats while buffs are applied at the final layer of stats calculations.

(Base stats * (100% + levelups + statbuy +equips)) * buffs

That's why resist and affinity gear play a far bigger role in postgame when the bonus from equips are really small.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #253 on: May 16, 2011, 07:21:12 AM »
Further note on this: equips add onto the modifier stored in your stats while buffs are applied at the final layer of stats calculations.

(Base stats * (100% + levelups + statbuy +equips)) * buffs

That's why resist and affinity gear play a far bigger role in postgame when the bonus from equips are really small.

That explains why Tenshi isn't as good as she used to be.  I mean, yeah, 100k dual defenses are nice (that's what I have), but she still takes some pretty severe damage even buffed. 

Iku's physical mediocrity is a non-factor if you consider that you can just shove her in the third or last slot, and her HP is high enough to survive a sniping attack for the most part. 

Compare Ran, who has more middling defenses.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #254 on: May 16, 2011, 08:32:33 AM »
SoC poonded at Reimu 455. Don't remember if this is a new best for me or not. Might be. China, at full health, with more +hp from skillpoints than anybody else has + skillpoints on any of their stats, got 1 shot from full health via thousand fist khanon (albeit BARELY).. blah.

MVP was Eiki/Flan+Kaggy...Dunno how people can not think kaggy's buff is uber >=P.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #255 on: May 16, 2011, 08:45:45 AM »
Oh, it is :V
Between switching and the fact that it helps maintain buffs, it can increase your damage output faster than double-switch nuking.  Especially considering you now have a slot for support/Reisen/Maribel/Rinnosuke/Remilia.

Also Chen, while not exactly a tank, is developing quite nicely defensively for me.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #256 on: May 16, 2011, 10:46:39 AM »
Yeah, especially considering affinities, pretty much everyone gains durability as you get late into Plus Disk. And being able to leave Chen or Aya out for a hit makes a huge difference in how much damage they can deal.

Also, Ran's defenses are actually pretty great if you put levelups into DEF or MND. DEF-based Ran actually completely surpasses all my DEF-based Yukari's stats and now I use her as a second slot tank to spam her DEF/MND buff forever.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #257 on: May 16, 2011, 01:22:55 PM »
Grabbed the last 20F drop I was missing (Scourge), ended up absurdly overleveled getting it.

When do I get Evac random battles?  168k SP a minute is nice...

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #258 on: May 16, 2011, 03:52:38 PM »
JUst wait until you get to 27F and start encountering Liliths.  92k SKP each.
Of course, by the time you reach the low-mid 400s with a majority of your party, several million SKP is not really that much anymore.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #259 on: May 16, 2011, 04:19:51 PM »
JUst wait until you get to 27F and start encountering Liliths.  92k SKP each.
Of course, by the time you reach the low-mid 400s with a majority of your party, several million SKP is not really that much anymore.
400s?  Did I read that right?  Oh lawd... Hopefully the exp rates go up a lot on the way there then T_T

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #260 on: May 16, 2011, 06:19:36 PM »
Also, Ran's defenses are actually pretty great if you put levelups into DEF or MND. DEF-based Ran actually completely surpasses all my DEF-based Yukari's stats and now I use her as a second slot tank to spam her DEF/MND buff forever.

Ran is awesome in the sense where you can practically shove her stats anywhere except HP/SP/Attack/Speed and she ends up awesome.

400s?  Did I read that right?  Oh lawd... Hopefully the exp rates go up a lot on the way there then T_T

Yep.  The EXP the last 3 floors give is fairly good, 27F being especially awesome once anyone who isn't Kaguya is able to oneshot everything and your main non-Kaguya/Okuu/Rumia attackers can kill crabs.  30F is somewhat inefficient until you can reliably handle all but the hardest ones. 

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #261 on: May 16, 2011, 07:32:13 PM »
Ran is awesome in the sense where you can practically shove her stats anywhere except HP/SP/Attack/Speed and she ends up awesome.

Yep.  The EXP the last 3 floors give is fairly good, 27F being especially awesome once anyone who isn't Kaguya is able to oneshot everything and your main non-Kaguya/Okuu/Rumia attackers can kill crabs.  30F is somewhat inefficient until you can reliably handle all but the hardest ones.

unfortunately, as great as the exp (and skp) is on 27f. The rate at which you need exp outpaces the rate of which you GET it once you reach 30f...By alot.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #262 on: May 16, 2011, 09:38:10 PM »
Alright, finally got new portraits for my Favorite Characters team. Files are Alice_Player2, Flandre_Broken, Komachi_Beads, Mokou_SmokeWings, Remilia_Black, Rin_Spirits, Sakuya_Sleeves, Sanae_Gang, Suika_Gourd, Reisen_Creepy, Utsuho_CrossedArms, and Yukari_Portal.

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Already got started by clearing the first floor. Komachi makes Chen and Meiling the easiest bosses ever.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #263 on: May 16, 2011, 09:59:12 PM »
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« Reply #264 on: May 16, 2011, 10:21:38 PM »
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Since it's the exact same link as the last one, is that necessary?
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #265 on: May 17, 2011, 04:50:02 AM »
I didn't notice

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #266 on: May 17, 2011, 09:06:54 AM »
Already got started by clearing the first floor. Komachi makes Chen and Meiling the easiest bosses ever.

I refrain from using dth attacks to those early parts of the game.. at least on bosses anyway.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #267 on: May 18, 2011, 03:48:29 AM »
unfortunately, as great as the exp (and skp) is on 27f. The rate at which you need exp outpaces the rate of which you GET it once you reach 30f...By alot.

Although once you can reliably and quickly kill 30F enemies, it's not bad.  Not great, but not bad.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #268 on: May 19, 2011, 12:19:45 AM »
So I just beat the main story of Etrian Odyssey 3 (my first EO game). And after that, today I fought my first post-game boss, the Gold Dragon. As soon as the battle started, I noted that it had a new boss battle theme...and that it's the same song used for Serpent of Chaos/Twin Hibachi V2/***WINNER***! Yay! Now I have finally experienced that song in its natural setting!

Oh, and I managed to beat the Gold Dragon on my 5th try. Not bad, considering I didn't bother investing in Crush/Slice Amulets.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 7F
« Reply #269 on: May 19, 2011, 12:56:03 AM »
That reminds me to be sad that in Special Disk, the final boss music doesn't play when fighting Winner even if you set it to Ver1 music, where it normally (aka in Plus Disk) DOES use the final boss music (Dark A Liar) for him.
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