Touhou 13 ~ Ten Desires announced! - Thread II (Reitaisai 8 scheduled!)

[Letty Whiterock]

Pretty much this. Of course, a new playable character wouldn't be too bad, just so long as we get an idea of their motives. Then again, knowing how ZUN does dialogue, that wouldn't be very difficult for him to accomplish. For example, in a game like this, we could have a new playable character who's actually involved in the incident and wants to stop it herself before it gets out of hand.

This could literally be solved by, say, adding a few lines of monologue at the beginning of Stage 1.

Also, think about this: when IN starts, you have 4 full teams of characters, and unless you've read the background via the main website or heard from someone else, you literally have no idea WHY Sakuya and Remilia are there, or why Youmu and Yuyuko care. You either have to know their motivations from the start, or you have to see it from dialogue that occurs at the end of stages.

Considering this, why would it suddenly be out-of-place for a new character to show, with motivations unknown right off the bat, when that's literally happened multiple times already, just with characters we've already seen?

[XephyrEnigma]

Because those characters we've already seen don't come out of nowhere, per-se. They were evolved in previous events, playable or otherwise.
Also, a completely new character playable right off the bat wouldn't quite fit with the way the others came about.

[あさらぎシジェ]

Reisen

Could just be my own opinion, but I think Reisen's a bad example here.
The way I see it Reisen would want to be an incident solver as well.
She was the only stage five boss of the original windows three that has not gotten to solve any incidents, and the only two games she's had a story in are PoFV and SWR.
And in SWR, she didn't even get to take part in the main incident, or even the second one. She got sloppy thirds.
Sakuya, Mima, and Rin aside, I would most like to see Reisen as a PC than anyone else, now that Youmu's back.

[XephyrEnigma]

Agreed. I'd also like to see Reisen as a "protag".

[nintendonut888]

Could just be my own opinion, but I think Reisen's a bad example here.
The way I see it Reisen would want to be an incident solver as well.

Really? I'd think she would be the perfect example. I'm not that well versed in the Eientei folks, but they seem to be rather self-centered (side effect of being lunarians and being cooped up in a mansion for a thousand years), and wouldn't really care about what goes on outside Eientei unless it's related to the moon or directly affects them (as was the case in SWR).

She was the only stage five boss of the original windows three that has not gotten to solve any incidents, and the only two games she's had a story in are PoFV and SWR.
And in SWR, she didn't even get to take part in the main incident, or even the second one. She got sloppy thirds.

Ah, but again the reasoning is that "they didn't get involved much so they should get some time in the limelight." That's exactly what I'm saying Touhou is not known to do. To use SA as an example again, no doubt Reisen had no idea there was even an underground society, let alone what the evil spirits meant. Even if she did, why would Reisen care, really? This is almost surely the reason why nobody from IN appeared in SA. Can you think of any incident after PoFV (and besides SWR) that she would have a reason to get involved in? Clearly ZUN hasn't.

[Paper Conan]

Really? I'd think she would be the perfect example. I'm not that well versed in the Eientei folks, but they seem to be rather self-centered (side effect of being lunarians and being cooped up in a mansion for a thousand years), and wouldn't really care about what goes on outside Eientei unless it's related to the moon or directly affects them (as was the case in SWR).

Ah, but again the reasoning is that "they didn't get involved much so they should get some time in the limelight." That's exactly what I'm saying Touhou is not known to do. To use SA as an example again, no doubt Reisen had no idea there was even an underground society, let alone what the evil spirits meant. Even if she did, why would Reisen care, really? This is almost surely the reason why nobody from IN appeared in SA. Can you think of any incident after PoFV (and besides SWR) that she would have a reason to get involved in? Clearly ZUN hasn't.

Atleast let us dream :qq:
Maybe ZUN might get so drunk one day that he might come up with the perfect plot involving Reimu, Marisa, and Reisen...

[Mimachiro]

Actually, with Eirin, anything is possible, under the broad reason of "intellectual curiosity." Leave the details to ZUN, right? I would see Eirin being playable before Reisen though, since it's usually humans as the main playable characters in the main games (each team in IN had a human). She's Lunarian, so, that bends it along the same lines as Youmu being a half ghost. Just my thoughts on it, but I don't see it as being all that likely.

[Sect]

Atleast let us dream :qq:
Maybe ZUN might get so drunk one day that he might come up with the perfect plot involving Reimu, Marisa, and Reisen...

They need to provide for the next generation of Hakurei shrine maidens, and there's no men in Gensokyo. However, Eirin has a shady drug... 

[Tengukami]

Or maybe Reimu will achieve immortality before too long.

[ふとくていなねこじょおう]

What if ZUN pulls off a good (or bad?) one and makes Rinnosuke a boss?  :derp:

[Nyyl]

What if ZUN pulls off a good (or bad?) one and makes Rinnosuke a boss?  :derp:

i can't see it happening even in my dreams, considering kourin can't even use danmaku
though it would be super awesome if he had in-game dialogue through some sort of communication device like the familiars in SA.

[Reddyne]

I'm simply glad to have Youmu back. I was shocked when she showed up again. It does bring a bit of hope back that there will be other returning characters in this and following games. Meanwhile, no tears will be shed if Aya fails to show up.

[XephyrEnigma]

Agreed here as well. It's quite rare to see Youmu on the playable side of things, and having her there might prove for an interesting story.
That aside, you can't possibly expect Aya to pop up for this, she'd have no reason to be involved. (in b4 scoop joke)

[Letty Whiterock]

It does bring a bit of hope back that there will be other returning characters in this and following games.

nononononononononono

DON'T ENCOURAGE THIS

[ふとくていなねこじょおう]

nononononononononono

DON'T ENCOURAGE THIS

MIMA'S COMING BACK!  :getdown:

_{And Yumemi, Chiyuri, Konngara, Shinki, Kana Anaberal and etc and stuffs.}  :derp:

[Naut]

nononononononononono

DON'T ENCOURAGE THIS

God forbid somebody express what they want in the next game in an anticipation thread! Ahhhh!

[あさらぎシジェ]

Actually, with Eirin, anything is possible, under the broad reason of "intellectual curiosity." Leave the details to ZUN, right? I would see Eirin being playable before Reisen though, since it's usually humans as the main playable characters in the main games (each team in IN had a human). She's Lunarian, so, that bends it along the same lines as Youmu being a half ghost. Just my thoughts on it, but I don't see it as being all that likely.

Eirin isn't half Lunarian though..

Perhaps with the exception of Suwako, I can't say I can see any of the gods or god-like deities as PCs.
Eirin is far more likely to send out Reisen to solve an incident than do it herself.

[XephyrEnigma]

nononononononononono

DON'T ENCOURAGE THIS

he said that because he knew he was going to bring on a chorus of Mima...

[Letty Whiterock]

God forbid somebody express what they want in the next game in an anticipation thread! Ahhhh!

These people don't know what they want! I'm here to save them from themselves!

[Drake]

Eirin isn't half Lunarian though..

It's relevant because Lunarians are just humans that developed superpowers living on the moon.

Although I agree that Eirin wouldn't be one to go solve an incident at all. Reisen perhaps, but I don't see Reisen being used unless another similar character is used as well. She doesn't really fit as a main character per se.

[Reddyne]

nononononononononono

DON'T ENCOURAGE THIS

Right! This will ensure Zun runs out of good ideas as fast as possible. Hence, before long we end up with Hanamizu Suzenko, a youkai capable of changing soy sauce to toilet paper. She looks spiffy in her purple, brown, and orange toohoo outfit du jour with a mob cap that has ribbons tied to bows tied to other ribbons. And she's holding a sea otter just because holding stuff is the latest craze. I'm just thinking about worthwhile characters. Hence, a strong, fan-pleasing, non-divisive character that fits with the plot is a strong choice.

he said that because he knew he was going to bring on a chorus of Mima...

I like Mima and all, but if she's not coming back, so be it. If she shows up as the extra stage boss, I would giggle like a school girl. Actually, just bring back Mima and be done with it. Characters that I'm just not into or ones that I downright dislike keep popping up. Let Mima get some love and bury the hatchet.

[ふとくていなねこじょおう]

I like Mima and all, but if she's not coming back, so be it. If she shows up as the extra stage boss, I would giggle like a school girl. Actually, just bring back Mima and be done with it. Characters that I'm just not into or ones that I downright dislike keep popping up. Let Mima get some love and bury the hatchet.

I second this.

[XephyrEnigma]

I like Mima and all, but if she's not coming back, so be it. If she shows up as the extra stage boss, I would giggle like a school girl. Actually, just bring back Mima and be done with it. Characters that I'm just not into or ones that I downright dislike keep popping up. Let Mima get some love and bury the hatchet.

Thirded. Personally I want to see this character myself, in this new setting. Even more so considering my issues with pc-98 emulators.

[shadowbringer]

Agreed. I'd also like to see Reisen as a "protag".

let's not forget that Youmu, like Sakuya and Sanae, are humans (or at least human-ish enough), so they fill the roles of incident solvers on the "main" games (or at least what was described as "imitators" of said incident solvers). Though Reimu quite did fill the role of incident causer on SSiB (involuntarily, or at worst, was just some "stage 4 boss" to the real incident causers.. in b4 "when will Chang'e ever make an appearance in a game, if she does at all?")..

point being, human protagonists fill the role of playables better (in ZUN's opinion) because their PoFV PoV are more understandable than youkai's. I'd say that the spellcard rules kinda require an incident causer, and an incident solver, but Marisa's motivations/goals in UFO (or even Reimu's carefreeness in EoSD or UFO, but not limited to) may mean that it's not necessary for a playable character to actually want to fulfill the role of an incident solver.

@ Reisen in PoFV: iirc she was searching for Tewi, or doing some errand, not being focused in the game's incident (like, for example, Yuka, even if she wanted people to not think she was the one responsible for the incident)

[HakureiSM]

@Reisen/Eirin stuffthings

There's a point there when you say they aren't human, and ZUN so far has stuck to humans as solvers, though I can clearly see Reisen, either sent by Eirin or on her own, fulfilling the role perfectly as well.
She goes often in the human village to sell medicine, and seems to have a fair ammount of contact with the outside world.
She also seems to have an almost lunatic(haha getit) attraction to logic and the mind and etc., and people like that tend to enjoy solving and fixing things.

I don't see Eirin going out, though.

[Kaikydelan]

Don't know if it's already been said:

Spoiler:

Based on IbaraKasen up to Chapter 2, I can see this game leading into the Arctic to fight for the propagation of Cold Fusion. (bwahaha from the "plots of Kanako" corner). Bets on for some kind of True Yuki-Onna type Youkai who competes with Cirno for Ice superiority!!

I WANT ME SOME ICE COLD TSUNDERE FLAVOR!    :3

[Drake]

[HakureiSM]

Spoiler:

Bets on for some kind of True Yuki-Onna type Youkai who competes with Cirno for Ice superiority!!

I WANT ME SOME ICE COLD TSUNDERE FLAVOR!    :3

:wat:
what drake 'said'

[あさらぎシジェ]

[Suikama]

waht winteer left behind