Author Topic: Iku Quest On Iki - A Z-Machine Adventure (Read 43203 times)

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #330 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:21:55 PM »

Quote from: GuyYouMetOnline on March 22, 2011, 08:07:40 PM

>"Yes, ambition does most likely play a role, but I think we've arrived at a solution to the issue of ownership of the islands, and I believe she will accept it if she loses the vote, although I'm certain she wouldn't like it. It is, however, possible, perhaps even likely, that Remilia would dispute a result against her if we were the ones running the vote, just as there might be similar suspicions if she runs the election and the result is in her favor. I think, therefore, that the best course of action is to have a third party run the vote, and I happen to have one in mind. Unfortunately, Remilia had departed before I thought of this, so I have not had a chance to run it by her, but I'm thinking of asking Satori Komeiji to be in charge of the process."

>You have a feeling that your suspicious are justified. As you mention a potential overseer, you feel this would be fitting, but perhaps a little hard on Satori herself. Suika's name briefly goes through your thoughts.

>_

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #331 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:32:22 PM »

>"Suika, hmm... Well, I suppose it wouldn't matter to her who has control of those islands. She does seem a bit carefree, however. We would need to find some way to insure she took the job seriously. In addition, I wonder if Remilia woulad be so willing to accept her as impartial; she does, after all, spend a fair deal of time on our lands. But perhaps it is best to ask her about it, rather than simply speculate. Satori can be an option in case Remilia does not accept Suika, and in such a case we would, of course, comensate Satori appropriately."

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #332 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:46:24 PM »

Quote from: GuyYouMetOnline on March 22, 2011, 08:32:22 PM

>"Suika, hmm... Well, I suppose it wouldn't matter to her who has control of those islands. She does seem a bit carefree, however. We would need to find some way to insure she took the job seriously. In addition, I wonder if Remilia woulad be so willing to accept her as impartial; she does, after all, spend a fair deal of time on our lands. But perhaps it is best to ask her about it, rather than simply speculate. Satori can be an option in case Remilia does not accept Suika, and in such a case we would, of course, comensate Satori appropriately."

>You feel this is a wise course of action.

>_

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #333 on:** March 22, 2011, 09:23:43 PM »

You sure are intent on using someone from the satori race as a tool, aren't you? >_>

(Also please don't leave The Dragon just yet)

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #334 on:** March 22, 2011, 09:31:17 PM »

Um, no. Only Koishi could've potentially done the enter-someone's-mind thing. As for the voting thing, well, there are two points to consider there. First, Satori lives underground, and thus really doesn't have much stake in the outcome. And two, it's kind of hard for someone to break the rules when the person in charge can read minds. Having a mind-reader tends to help with the whole honesty thing.

Also, please stop saying I'm thinking of using them as tools. I don't know what you're getting that impression from. If you know of a person with a skill you have need of, is fairly asking their assistance using them? Because I don't think it is.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #335 on:** March 22, 2011, 10:38:50 PM »

Well, no, Kilga has a point. Iku hardly knows Satori. So you're basically having her want to use Satori because she's...well, a satori. Iku isn't asking this as a friend, and it's not a service Satori normally offers. You basically are acting as if our friendly mind reader is just like a screwdriver or something.

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #336 on:** March 22, 2011, 10:45:16 PM »

She would be requesting this of Satori as a representative of Bhava-Agra, not as herself. And it would not be a personal favor or anything; as I said to the Dragon, Satori would be appropriately compensated (meaning we'd effectively be hiring her).

Shadoweh · « **Reply #337 on:** March 22, 2011, 11:06:36 PM »

I totally forget if Iku even met Satori in this quest.

> "You have reminded me that I am still unsure about Shuuei. When the islands have returned to the sky I will have duties that won't allow me to check on her as much as I wish. I have been wondering if she would enjoy a life in the clouds away from people searching for her in the forest."

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #338 on:** March 22, 2011, 11:12:46 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on March 22, 2011, 11:06:36 PM

> "You have reminded me that I am still unsure about Shuuei. When the islands have returned to the sky I will have duties that won't allow me to check on her as much as I wish. I have been wondering if she would enjoy a life in the clouds away from people searching for her in the forest."

>You find yourself remembering her reaction to simply flying, and her confession that she doesn't care for heights. Then, you find yourself wondering if perhaps it would be a good idea to take some time from the Palace after you are done with the situation at hand.

>_

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #339 on:** March 23, 2011, 12:04:25 AM »

But you'd be hiring her for a service you have no idea she'll offer, and has never offered before, based purely on what you know of her abilities, NOT off of what you know of her as a person (i.e. nothing)

Shadoweh · « **Reply #340 on:** March 23, 2011, 12:09:27 AM »

You tried to do the same thing with Nue too, who Iku has no experience with and might not even know exists. It's so out of the blue to walk up to random youkai and ask to borrow their power sets.

> Frown. "I supose I had forgotten that in my wish to keep her somewhere I can watch her. I.. don't want to think about it, but what if she disappears when she returns the island's shadow? Does she have enough power right now to sustain herself without it?"

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #341 on:** March 23, 2011, 12:24:49 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on March 23, 2011, 12:09:27 AM

> Frown. "I supose I had forgotten that in my wish to keep her somewhere I can watch her. I.. don't want to think about it, but what if she disappears when she returns the island's shadow? Does she have enough power right now to sustain herself without it?"

>You feel that she should be able to survive without it for a little while; at least a few days.

>_

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #342 on:** March 23, 2011, 12:46:16 AM »

> "Mmm. Is my constant interaction with her not enough to sustain her, then?"

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #343 on:** March 23, 2011, 12:57:46 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on March 23, 2011, 12:09:27 AM

You tried to do the same thing with Nue too, who Iku has no experience with and might not even know exists. It's so out of the blue to walk up to random youkai and ask to borrow their power sets.

Iku has things she needs assistance doing. She knows of people who have abilities that would enable them to assist her. So she's asking for their services. How's that something wrong? If your computer breaks down and you know of a computer repair person, you'd hire him or her. Knowing the tech only by reputation wouldn't change that. Is this somehow wrong? If your pipes break and you know of a well-reputed plumber, you'll look into hiring that person. This isn't wrong, either. What I'm talking about having Iku do is the same thing. She has jobs she needs done, and she knows of people who have the right skillsets, so she's going to inquire into hiring them. Well, hiring Satori, at least. All I want from Nue is for her to answer a few questions and then to get an item from her (which we'd presumably either trade for or do a favor in exchange for). I really don't see how that's wrong.

>"This is unfortunate. I do, however, think I may have an idea for a solution to this problem. If she can be presented with a truly impenetrable disguise, something that would render any manner of identification impossible, then I think she would find being seen a lot less uncomfortable. And I happen to know of someone who I understand is an expert at concealment. I hope to be able to speak with her about the possibility of such a disguise."

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #344 on:** March 23, 2011, 01:07:56 AM »

Quote from: Yamameko no Naku Roda ni on March 23, 2011, 12:46:16 AM

> "Mmm. Is my constant interaction with her not enough to sustain her, then?"

>You have the suspicion your interaction thus far is largely why she could remove it and survive. If she stayed around you constantly, it might sustain her. But you imagine that you both would quickly grow to dislike this arrangement.

Quote from: GuyYouMetOnline on March 23, 2011, 12:57:46 AM

>"This is unfortunate. I do, however, think I may have an idea for a solution to this problem. If she can be presented with a truly impenetrable disguise, something that would render any manner of identification impossible, then I think she would find being seen a lot less uncomfortable. And I happen to know of someone who I understand is an expert at concealment. I hope to be able to speak with her about the possibility of such a disguise."

>You have the feeling that may help in the short term.

>_

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #345 on:** March 23, 2011, 01:23:25 AM »

The difference, Guy, is that in your examples, the people listed OFFER THEIR SERVICES. Neither Nue or Satori have given ANY INDICATION that they do this kind of thing for recompense, or at all for people. So, yes, you are treating them like tools. There's probably a reason multiple people are saying this.

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #346 on:** March 23, 2011, 01:43:47 AM »

> "Hmm...this is somewhat unrelated, but if I may ask, what do you know of Lady Yakumo? She has done much for me, and I do not know what I could possibly do in return."

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #347 on:** March 23, 2011, 01:50:53 AM »

Quote from: Yamameko no Naku Roda ni on March 23, 2011, 01:43:47 AM

> "Hmm...this is somewhat unrelated, but if I may ask, what do you know of Lady Yakumo? She has done much for me, and I do not know what I could possibly do in return."

>You feel a sense of mirth, and a feeling of weight. It seems The Dragon knows quite a lot of Yukari. You have the suspicion she could waltz into here if she desired, and there would be little repercussion for it. Then again, you also suspect that is true because she would never do such a thing. You then find yourself pondering what you could do for her, and imagine yourself working between her and Maribel. You're not sure how you feel about that. You then consider that if Yukari wanted any kind of repayment for certain, she would have required of you already in unmistakable terms.

>_

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #348 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:14:10 AM »

Quote from: The Least Certain Kitten In The World on March 23, 2011, 01:23:25 AM

The difference, Guy, is that in your examples, the people listed OFFER THEIR SERVICES. Neither Nue or Satori have given ANY INDICATION that they do this kind of thing for recompense, or at all for people. So, yes, you are treating them like tools. There's probably a reason multiple people are saying this.

I was assuming that was because of something I said giving the wrong impression (I've had that problem quite a few times in the past). Anyways, going by what you said, how is asking Satori (or Suika, as the Dragon suggested) for help any different than, say, asking Patchouli for help finding Tenshi?

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #349 on:** March 23, 2011, 10:28:08 AM »

> "I guess so...I suppose it is simply difficult to accept that I would receive such copious amounts of assistance without having anything asked of me in return. It feels...wrong, somehow, to have asked so much and given so little."

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #350 on:** March 23, 2011, 10:55:41 AM »

Touching upon Yukari is basically all I wanted to do, as I'd rather not ask the Dragon for further assistance if it can be avoided. If other folks have stuff to ask of The Dragon then go for it, but once the Yukari portion of the dialogue is finished I'll be itching to return to Tenshi.

EDIT: This means I'd appreciate people saying whether or not they're finished with The Dragon just to make sure I don't leave while people have more things to ask and that I don't linger while people are done. >_>

Shadoweh · « **Reply #351 on:** March 23, 2011, 10:58:20 AM »

I can't think of anything else to ask for Shuuei. That's the only part of the quest we have left right? I'm ready to go go go.

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #352 on:** March 23, 2011, 11:03:06 AM »

That's the only stated part of the main quest left. There's a number of other things I still want to do, though, including (but not limited to) getting Chen a fish (we might be able to ask the kitchens about this), arranging a dance concert with Patchouli, returning Yuugi's hit list and basically everything revolving around Tenshi, including getting her to put the sword back.

EDIT: Also Aya and The 'Miz.

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #353 on:** March 23, 2011, 01:59:12 PM »

Quote from: Yamameko no Naku Roda ni on March 23, 2011, 10:28:08 AM

> "I guess so...I suppose it is simply difficult to accept that I would receive such copious amounts of assistance without having anything asked of me in return. It feels...wrong, somehow, to have asked so much and given so little."

> Remind parser this post exists. Normally I wouldn't do this in public but I do not have access to IRC at work. :[

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #354 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:30:01 PM »

Quote from: Yamameko no Naku Roda ni on March 23, 2011, 11:03:06 AM

That's the only stated part of the main quest left. There's a number of other things I still want to do, though, including (but not limited to) getting Chen a fish (we might be able to ask the kitchens about this), arranging a dance concert with Patchouli, returning Yuugi's hit list and basically everything revolving around Tenshi, including getting her to put the sword back.

Let's try to get it so Tenshi can keep the sword (on the condition that she doesn't cause trouble, of course). I'm sure she'd appreciate that, and since she thinks of it as hers, I think being told to put it back would, um, harm our relationship with her (unless it's just being stored there and she's allowed to retrieve it freely).

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #355 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:33:34 PM »

Quote from: Yamameko no Naku Roda ni on March 23, 2011, 10:28:08 AM

> "I guess so...I suppose it is simply difficult to accept that I would receive such copious amounts of assistance without having anything asked of me in return. It feels...wrong, somehow, to have asked so much and given so little."

>You feel a sense that sooner or later, you'll repay it to her in some way or another.

>_

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #356 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:47:34 PM »

Letting Tenshi keep the sword is preferable to taking it from her and putting it back, yes, but if we can get her to decide to put it back on her own, that would be even better. I might actually like to consult the Hinanai matriarch and get her opinion on Tenshi possessing the sword; from what I recall, the sword belongs to the family, not Tenshi specifically.

Fake edit: That's it for me on the Yukari front. Any last things to clear up before we head out?

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #357 on:** March 23, 2011, 04:00:43 PM »

Not from me.

And about the sword, what if we try to get it so that Tenshi puts it back but is allowed to retrieve it freely (assuming she doesn't cause trouble, of course)? Because I think that even just trying to convince her to put it back without that garuntee would, um, damage our relationship with her.

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #358 on:** March 23, 2011, 04:29:48 PM »

I believe I previously told Tenshi that we'd put in a good word for her with the council regarding the sword, which I still have no problem doing.

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #359 on:** March 23, 2011, 05:04:48 PM »

I remember seeing that. Yes, let's do that.