Author Topic: Iku Quest On Iki - A Z-Machine Adventure (Read 43198 times)

Shadoweh · « **Reply #270 on:** March 21, 2011, 05:57:51 PM »

That's exactly what I was going for. Ultimately it's not Iku's or Remilia's decision to make. If all she wants in the case of not being accepted is for there to be a memory that she was once there, that doesn't seem harmful to me.

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #271 on:** March 21, 2011, 06:05:12 PM »

Yeah, her "in case of" requests are fine by me and likely what the islanders would have done autonomously anyway. I'd ask if she wants specific names as a gesture of recognition for each of her individual subordinates, but other than that, it's good to go.

In case it wasn't clear, I'd also like to offer a dance concert at the SDM in recompense totally messing the negotiations up, and also because I want to give that gate guard fairy a second chance by teaching her a few steps and then having her make a quickie appearance on stage.

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #272 on:** March 21, 2011, 06:12:31 PM »

That stuff's fine by me. I'm still wondering about clarifying the elcetion thing to Remilia, though, because it looks to like she thinks that if she wins, she'll be retaining her current ownership of the islands. It may be a good idea to correct that impression, but at the same time, doing so might result in Remilia deciding she doesn't want to do things that way after all. So, any thoughts?

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #273 on:** March 21, 2011, 06:24:37 PM »

Well, there's one way to find out discreetly.

> "I wonder if this should perhaps be done regardless."

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #274 on:** March 21, 2011, 06:44:26 PM »

Quote from: Suwako Moriya on March 21, 2011, 06:24:37 PM

> "I wonder if this should perhaps be done regardless."

>"It will be if We have no difficulties," says Remilia. "With amendments appropriate to the situation, of course."

>_

Shadoweh · « **Reply #275 on:** March 21, 2011, 06:48:00 PM »

She acknowledged that if she were ousted she'd have no claims on the islands. She's not stupid, I don't think we have to spell it out for her.

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #276 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:00:11 PM »

Guy's worry is that she will still consider the islands hers if she gets voted in, which, with that response, I'm actually admittedly a bit worried about myself.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #277 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:05:35 PM »

Hum.

> "I don't believe there's any problem with your request in case of being ousted. If you are elected, what you do on behalf of Bhava-Agra's wishes will be up to yourself and the people, as you will be acting as a part of Bhava-Agra instead of a ruler at that point."

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #278 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:10:58 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on March 21, 2011, 07:05:35 PM

> "I don't believe there's any problem with your request in case of being ousted. If you are elected, what you do on behalf of Bhava-Agra's wishes will be up to yourself and the people, as you will be acting as a part of Bhava-Agra instead of a ruler at that point."

>"Why would we be acting as part of Bhava Agra?" says Remilia, raising an eyebrow.

>_

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #279 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:11:59 PM »

Idea in case she doesn't go for it: let her "have" the land on two conditions:

1) No Bhavagrans will ever be denied access to any part of the two islands without reasons deemed justified by the celestials inhabiting that island.
2) The celestials of the island will never be forbidden from forming a council to decide if they no longer wish their lands to live under Remilia's control, and if they do decide such a thing, Fancy Scarlet Wordiness will peacefully honor this request. Historical monuments, of course, will be created to signify if such a seccession takes place.

Fake Edit: welp,

Shadoweh · « **Reply #280 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:17:20 PM »

I gotta go, but it's starting to sound like you're right. I think a direct confrontation would end badly..

> "If you were elected by the people would you not then be acting as a part of them? You have tried to assist them so much before now that I would be tempted to see yourself as an honorary one of us already."

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #281 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:34:19 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on March 21, 2011, 07:17:20 PM

I gotta go, but it's starting to sound like you're right. I think a direct confrontation would end badly..

> "If you were elected by the people would you not then be acting as a part of them? You have tried to assist them so much before now that I would be tempted to see yourself as an honorary one of us already."

>"We do not see how this would sever Our province's ties with Volatilis Scarlet Regnum in any form," says Remilia.

>_

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #282 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:47:27 PM »

> Put on a look of realization.
> "Oh. Oh! You intend that you would retain rights to the islands should the people vote in your favor. I did not realize - okay. Okay."
> Put up a hand with palm pointed outward, as if we were signalling for Remilia to stop.
> "This is my misunderstand, my mistake. I am sorry. Please, give me a moment. I will rectify this misunderstanding, in a way that I hope will be to your satisfaction. We have come this far, it would not do to just scrap everything."

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #283 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:50:18 PM »

Quote from: Suwako Moriya on March 21, 2011, 07:47:27 PM

> Put on a look of realization.
> "Oh. Oh! You intend that you would retain rights to the islands should the people vote in your favor. I did not realize - okay. Okay."
> Put up a hand with palm pointed outward, as if we were signalling for Remilia to stop.
> "This is my misunderstand, my mistake. I am sorry. Please, give me a moment. I will rectify this misunderstanding, in a way that I hope will be to your satisfaction. We have come this far, it would not do to just scrap everything."

>"Were you really expecting Us to compete to kneel before Bhava Agra?" says Remilia.

>_

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #284 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:57:39 PM »

There's no question that Remilia's full of shit. I know I've said this before, but my recommendation is to call her out on it. She's not stupid; she knows the things she's saying aren't accurate. So I think we need to call her out on it.

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #285 on:** March 21, 2011, 08:03:03 PM »

I'm not convinced she's full of it yet. Give me about 25 minutes and I'll present those conditions as I think them best presented. If she denies the second one, THEN I will be displeased.

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #286 on:** March 21, 2011, 08:04:50 PM »

Got it. *Waits warmly*

Edit: So does that mean that we'll be taking the direct approach if she does deny it? Because if so, I think I've got a few good ideas on how to go about that (and no, it's not the rant I was going on about before).

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #287 on:** March 21, 2011, 08:34:02 PM »

> Put a hand to the side of our head and shake our head.
> "I thought I had stated that preference and that you had agreed to it. I must have been mistaken. I apologize."
> Stop shaking, drop our hand and look at Remilia properly.
> "Okay. If that is the case, then...all right. My highest priority is my people's right to a choice in how they wish to live, and you have had no apparent problem with their autonomy while you control their lands. I would like add two conditionals that take both of these into account, with their own conditionals so as to account for fairness to all sides. I hope they will not be a tremendous problem."

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #288 on:** March 21, 2011, 08:38:39 PM »

Quote from: Suwako Moriya on March 21, 2011, 08:34:02 PM

> Put a hand to the side of our head and shake our head.
> "I thought I had stated that preference and that you had agreed to it. I must have been mistaken. I apologize."
> Stop shaking, drop our hand and look at Remilia properly.
> "Okay. If that is the case, then...all right. My highest priority is my people's right to a choice in how they wish to live, and you have had no apparent problem with their autonomy while you control their lands. I would like add two conditionals that take both of these into account, with their own conditionals so as to account for fairness to all sides. I hope they will not be a tremendous problem."

>"You may propose them," says Remilia.

>_

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #289 on:** March 21, 2011, 09:29:55 PM »

> Nod.
> "The first is as follows: regardless of the first decision the people of those islands make, they will be free to change their minds at any time. They may choose to form a council of their own people to decide if they wish to secede from one party and join the other. The ruling party current to that decision, be it Bhava-Agra or Volatilis Scarlet Regnum, may not impede, forbid or otherwise negatively influence the formation of this council or their decision, and they must peacefully honor whatever that decision may be."

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #290 on:** March 21, 2011, 09:53:27 PM »

Quote from: Suwako Moriya on March 21, 2011, 09:29:55 PM

> Nod.
> "The first is as follows: regardless of the first decision the people of those islands make, they will be free to change their minds at any time. They may choose to form a council of their own people to decide if they wish to secede from one party and join the other. The ruling party current to that decision, be it Bhava-Agra or Volatilis Scarlet Regnum, may not impede, forbid or otherwise negatively influence the formation of this council or their decision, and they must peacefully honor whatever that decision may be."

>"We do not feel this will be an issue," says Remilia. "You may consider it agreed."

>_

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #291 on:** March 21, 2011, 10:29:31 PM »

> Nod.
> "I will be sure to mention this when the time comes to present. The second request I have is that Bhavagrans will be allowed to visit their fellow celestials at any time unless a council of Volatilis Scarlet Regnum celestials finds reason to deny them access that the council feels is justifyable OR if the visiting Bhavagran is found to become violently aggressive without provocation. After all, allegiances may change, but friendships will not. Volatilis Scarlet Regnum celestials will have autonomy in deciding what of their own possessions, such as housing or food, they wish to share with their visiting friends. However, any visitor that wishes to use public facilities established by Volatilis Scarlet Regnum after occupation, such as the redesigned orchards you offered as an improvement idea, will need permission from a Volatilis Scarlet Regnum surface dweller, such as yourself or your chief assistant, or permission from a Volatilis Scarlet Regnum celestial deemed trustworthy by a Volatilis Scarlet Regnum surface dweller. In addition, Bhava-Agra will not acknowledge any non-peaceful secession attempts from the citizens of the islands in question, and will seek to punish any Bhavagrans found abusing visiting privileges to try to start such a rebellion."

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #292 on:** March 21, 2011, 10:33:40 PM »

>"In addition, I just had another thought: it must be decided if this vote is to be taken by the two islands as a group, or if each island will make its decision independantly of the other. Personally, I believe that the second option is preferable; it's very much possible that the inhabitants of the two islands will desire to go different ways, and I do not think it right to force either population to go along with an option it did not itself choose, even if the combined vote is to go that way."

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #293 on:** March 21, 2011, 10:51:33 PM »

Quote from: Suwako Moriya on March 21, 2011, 10:29:31 PM

> Nod.
> "I will be sure to mention this when the time comes to present. The second request I have is that Bhavagrans will be allowed to visit their fellow celestials at any time unless a council of Volatilis Scarlet Regnum celestials finds reason to deny them access that the council feels is justifyable OR if the visiting Bhavagran is found to become violently aggressive without provocation. After all, allegiances may change, but friendships will not. Volatilis Scarlet Regnum celestials will have autonomy in deciding what of their own possessions, such as housing or food, they wish to share with their visiting friends. However, any visitor that wishes to use public facilities established by Volatilis Scarlet Regnum after occupation, such as the redesigned orchards you offered as an improvement idea, will need permission from a Volatilis Scarlet Regnum surface dweller, such as yourself or your chief assistant, or permission from a Volatilis Scarlet Regnum celestial deemed trustworthy by a Volatilis Scarlet Regnum surface dweller. In addition, Bhava-Agra will not acknowledge any non-peaceful secession attempts from the citizens of the islands in question, and will seek to punish any Bhavagrans found abusing visiting privileges to try to start such a rebellion."

Quote from: GuyYouMetOnline on March 21, 2011, 10:33:40 PM

>"In addition, I just had another thought: it must be decided if this vote is to be taken by the two islands as a group, or if each island will make its decision independantly of the other. Personally, I believe that the second option is preferable; it's very much possible that the inhabitants of the two islands will desire to go different ways, and I do not think it right to force either population to go along with an option it did not itself choose, even if the combined vote is to go that way."

>Remilia nods along, almost idly. "You may recall that We intended to allow for such freedom of movement," she says. "We have not changed this feeling. However, one point We have to modify. Those seeking to cause insurrections that you have mentioned shall be dealt with by Us. We shall of course allow for a proper trial, in fact We may call upon Bhava-Agra to assist. But We shall administer Our own justice. And we concur, each province shall decide for itself."

>_

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #294 on:** March 21, 2011, 11:30:18 PM »

Eh, that's fine by me. Tenshi knows enough not to cross Remilia, and no other celestials will be a problem.

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #295 on:** March 21, 2011, 11:46:02 PM »

> "As I believe such insurrections will not be a problem to begin with, I will readily agree to this change, and I do not believe I have anything else to add."

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #296 on:** March 21, 2011, 11:57:03 PM »

>Pause briefly in thought.
>"Oh, wait, there is one other point I'd like to add. I will not object to you conducting trials as previously described, but I would request that they be public trials. I hope you do not take this as an indication of distrust on my part, as it is not. Others, however, may not share my feelings on the matter, and private trials would encourage distrust and unrest among those people. Making the trials public would neatly avoid this issue."

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #297 on:** March 22, 2011, 12:12:55 AM »

Quote from: Yamameko no Naku Roda ni on March 21, 2011, 11:46:02 PM

> "As I believe such insurrections will not be a problem to begin with, I will readily agree to this change, and I do not believe I have anything else to add."

> Modify this to "As I believe such insurrections will not be a problem to begin with, I will readily agree to this change."

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #298 on:** March 22, 2011, 12:14:21 AM »

Quote from: Yamameko no Naku Roda ni on March 22, 2011, 12:12:55 AM

> Modify this to "As I believe such insurrections will not be a problem to begin with, I will readily agree to this change."

>"Very good," says Remilia.

Quote from: GuyYouMetOnline on March 21, 2011, 11:57:03 PM

>Pause briefly in thought.
>"Oh, wait, there is one other point I'd like to add. I will not object to you conducting trials as previously described, but I would request that they be public trials. I hope you do not take this as an indication of distrust on my part, as it is not. Others, however, may not share my feelings on the matter, and private trials would encourage distrust and unrest among those people. Making the trials public would neatly avoid this issue."

>"We shall consider it," says Remilia. "Perhaps an outside observer will suffice?"

>_

Shadoweh · « **Reply #299 on:** March 22, 2011, 12:16:44 AM »

That sounds reasonable to me. Public trials are just spectacles anyways.