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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #600 on: March 12, 2011, 04:27:45 AM »
Iced Fairy: Conqueror's day effect is called VIRUS OUTBREAK and gives everyone a POSTING RESTRICTION with differing effects if broken.

*blink* Weren't you the only one effected?

and yeah, I guess it'll be more helpful.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #601 on: March 12, 2011, 04:29:57 AM »
Iced Fairy: Conqueror's day effect is called VIRUS OUTBREAK and gives everyone a POSTING RESTRICTION with differing effects if broken.
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And things get more confusing.  Shadoweh, what day did you check this and (this is very very important) what is the wording of your grim reaper ability.  Don't quote, just give me an idea on it's restrictions and resolution.

I'm gonna give my initial idea's tonight, but the answer to this question may totally change everything I say.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #602 on: March 12, 2011, 04:37:08 AM »
Give me a good reason not to flip the fuck out when the PM you sent me said:
"negative redirecting effect,"
How am I supposed to take that when it says he protects, watch this, harmful actions?
SA;LKDFUIAOWHKLNE

Sorry Hourai, misinformation. :<
It had me fooled too -.- I've been trying to parse how this could be possible if Schezo isn't scum and it implies that the virus got passed before any role actions were taken into question. Which would explain how Hourai got redirected without stopping the virus. Schezo, can you check over the rest of the wording for that?

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But, now Edible, that's pretty interesting, because Shadoweh sent me pretty much the same thing about how she knows all this stuff, I don't believe it anymore that she has that badass of a role, especially compared to Bard to know all this crap about people.  She says she know for a fact mind you that Conqueror is scum and that I should team up with her to get the Hourai lynch, which I believed in and then the Conqueror lynch which if the nightkill would have went through, would have put town at a LYLO situation I'm almost sure.  That scum gambit with Bard went really well but I didn't want to say this earlier that I think they coordinated it because I say Bard online for more than enough time to quick hammer Doll if he wanted to and with almost everyone on anyway at that time iirc he was just waiting for Shadoweh to unvote to he could catch himself and give Shadoweh what would be the ultimate pass.  I know none of this will seem to stand up to shit because it's all easily forged and it's just off of my and Edible's word, but that's what I really think happened at this point.  Shadoweh also said in his PM to me that he know for a fact Conq. was some virus flavor and would give everyone a post restriction when he died, which is bullshit to me because I'm reading Bard's role as the most Bastardized and that would be hell on earth if everyone in the game had to go through Shadoweh's post restriction for a whole day.  Also, how on earth does he know that there are vote changing role out?  Once again he has way too much information to be town, because so far he's hinted at vig day one and is now a rolecop with what he says is only an ability to look at people's death abilities.  But when I look at what Hourai's death ability just did, I see no correlation between giving someone a one shot cop and being doctor.  We don't know Kitten's day ability and PX's still was kinda waffle but Pesco's linking and then sending bird's to each other is just so random there is no way he can deduce, all the way to flavor mind you, people's roles. 
WIFOM but, ya ever notice how he's almost proven town "rolecop" and since Doll is pretty useless, I would have thought he would have been the NK target because proven townies are always bad for scum, especially lategame, but he hasn't died for either of the two nights.

If Hourai was town, which we now KNOW was true, Bardiche was trying to quickly take advantage of a hammer that would guarentee a town would be lynched the next day because what Hourai did was horrible. That would have left us 5 townies and 3 scum, and when Hourai got lynched scum would have won yesterday. Honestly I thought Hourai was setting it up so Zak could hammer and I was as shocked as everyone when Bardiche's name disappeared.

I know there are vote changing roles out there because Edible is called Hammer Bros and Iced Fairy claimed vote strengthening powers yesterday.

Why would Scum kill Doll when he's claimed his powers activate when he DIES?

Yes, everyone going through Conqueror's day effect will be hell on earth. That's why I wanted to kill the other scum first.


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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #603 on: March 12, 2011, 04:41:41 AM »
Hmm, what rule are you then Edible? Non of the rules seem to be connected to being bulletproof?

I'm rule 10.  I have a hammer with which I use to fight off any attackers at night, which also lets me know I've been targeted.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #604 on: March 12, 2011, 04:43:50 AM »
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And things get more confusing.  Shadoweh, what day did you check this and (this is very very important) what is the wording of your grim reaper ability.  Don't quote, just give me an idea on it's restrictions and resolution.
I'm gonna give my initial idea's tonight, but the answer to this question may totally change everything I say.
I checked Conqueror yesterday, hence why both Schezo and Edible know about it because I sent it to them via pidgeons.
Every night I target one player and I learn the day effect that their death triggers. It doesn't say it's a negative effect and when I used it on Pesco the first night it gave me both the effects of Pesco and Bardiche.

Yes Doll, I was the only one given the effect of the posting restriction on Night 2. If Conqueror is lynched we ALL get one.

I'm going to have to start making the argument against Edible soon, so if anyone has more questions speak now. I'm going to point out right now that scum doesn't have to nightkill and Edible can fake a bulletproof claim just by not killing anyone.


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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #605 on: March 12, 2011, 04:45:40 AM »
Edit By Way of Me: Er, given the posting restriction on Night 1 effecting me Day 2, duh


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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #606 on: March 12, 2011, 04:46:08 AM »
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've been trying to parse how this could be possible if Schezo isn't scum and it implies that the virus got passed before any role actions were taken into question. Which would explain how Hourai got redirected without stopping the virus. Schezo, can you check over the rest of the wording for that?
Umm, can you ask this again?  Like what do you want me to tell you?

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I know there are vote changing roles out there because Edible is called Hammer Bros and Iced Fairy claimed vote strengthening powers yesterday.
Asking again because you were asked before, where do you see this?  I would like to see the quotes because I guess I'm missing it.

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Why would Scum kill Doll when he's claimed his powers activate when he DIES?
Why not?  He's town and this is role madness so everyone activates something when they die.

And if you know for a fact that Conqueror is scum, why on earth hasn't your vote gotten on him and stayed there like glue if you really are town?  Confirmed scum like if you copped him has no reason for you not to have your vote on him so that doesn't help your case.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #607 on: March 12, 2011, 04:51:37 AM »
Once again, this may change when Shadoweh fullclaims.  Shadoweh be VERY precise.  We already know the wording of powers is important given the fiasco last day.

However assuming you aren't blatantly lying:

Edible is scum.

Day 1, Pesco catches him cheerleading.  Edible misrepresents Pesco badly and attacks him for it.  Pesco foolishly overreacts and does some terribad scumhunting after that, allowing Edible to do nothing day 1.

Day 2, a continuation of the Pesco malarky.  Edible again does no scumhunting.  After the Bardiche mess Edible swaps to Hourai, who we now know was Doc.  Normally not a big deal, but Bardiche's final post indicates scum thought lynches could be selected randomly.

Day 3, Continues non posting.  States he doesn't need to scumhunt because he's town, except his reasoning for that is terrible.  Finally when pressed enough says "Conqueror doesn't post much."  The understatement of the year.  Follows it up with a reasonable commentary on how he didn't target Bardiche much, until you reread Conq and see the same is true for most of the people in the game.

Finally he posts a long string of Bardiche quotes saying that Bardiche didn't say a lot.  Once again, not really news.  Follows it up with a demand for information from everyone else.  Then after he gets that information says absolutly nothing on his own.

Then Day 4.  Goes after the easy targets.  The ones pushing for Hourai yesterday.  But here's the slip up.  His charge against Shadoweh is that "she told me to quicklynch the second scummiest person in the game."

Now sure, I don't like the reasoning for quicklynching someone.  But does anyone HONESTLY believe that Shadoweh expected Hourai to flip town with that kind of note?  What kind of scum expects town to quicklynch someone after they were responsible for a town flip?  What kind of scum expects town to quicklynch on lylow?  And if she's scumpartners with Schezo, why did she send him a PM?  Shouldn't she just talk with her fellow scum and send ME the PM?

Heck, why would she kill you if she was counting on you to quicklynch?

Simply put Edible has been acting like a mafia godfather this entire game.  He sits around, takes strong stands on easy targets, and then sends the rest of town to do his scumhunting for him.

On a personal note, I'd like to state I don't enjoy how the Hammer Brother sat around waiting for someone else to hammer last night as well.  But I grudgingly admit that could be pro or anti town.

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Note: I'm paying close attention to the Schezo mess, and I'm waiting for a real Conqueror and Dormio post.  But Shadoweh's power info is the most important.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #608 on: March 12, 2011, 04:52:50 AM »
Ah.  Yesterday.  That all falls into place then.

Edible/Conqueror scum team.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #609 on: March 12, 2011, 04:57:36 AM »
Umm, can you ask this again?  Like what do you want me to tell you?
Does the wording of Bardiche's virus imply that it will take effect before any other night actions?

Quote from: Schezo
]Asking again because you were asked before, where do you see this?  I would like to see the quotes because I guess I'm missing it.
First a warning :  There are vote strength manipulating powers in the game (yes that's a partial claim).  I didn't use mine, but if someone else has them scum could quick hammer before you'd expect it.  It'd be stupid, but Day 2 proved scum can be stupid.  Vote Unvote on anyone with a vote already on them is safer for town right now.
Also, I know through my night abilities that Edible is a "Hammer Bro", does this sound like town to you?

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Why not?  He's town and this is role madness so everyone activates something when they die.
No, everyone has two powers AND an effect that activates when they die. Doll's powers as he's stated ALL activate when he dies. I'm not sure what will happen if I check him. Either I'll see a third effect or I'll see his two choosable powers.
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And if you know for a fact that Conqueror is scum, why on earth hasn't your vote gotten on him and stayed there like glue if you really are town?  Confirmed scum like if you copped him has no reason for you not to have your vote on him so that doesn't help your case.
I told you why yesterday, I didn't want another backwards impossible to be understood through restriction. I also wanted to watch him so he could lead me to the missing scum since I didn't know if it was Hourai.


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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #610 on: March 12, 2011, 05:03:13 AM »
@IF: Before I address that, can you clarify something for me?

How does Shadoweh's ability help your case against my alignment?  I think I'm missing a step in your logic, or it was left out unintentionally.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #611 on: March 12, 2011, 05:06:22 AM »
No one's role that I know of says anything about order of effect so no I guess.

But scum is scum, saving them for later if you know they are there isn't helping town because if we wait until LYLO to try and lynch Conq. and it doesn't work we lose because we listened to someone who may or may not be anti town because your actions are showing it.

Now to Iced Fairy.
I almost agree in full with that whole statement.  It makes sense and all comes together.  I'm would like to see more posts from almost everyone so I can make my decision about who to vote.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #612 on: March 12, 2011, 05:08:36 AM »
@IF: Before I address that, can you clarify something for me?

How does Shadoweh's ability help your case against my alignment?  I think I'm missing a step in your logic, or it was left out unintentionally.
It was.  But I can give it out anyway.

I'm Town Tetris Block.  One of my powers is to wander over to someone and see if they leave their house at night.

I used this on Conqueror last night but it fizzled.  If she'd claimed to have done gathering N3, and that it targeted the people she'd have been possibly lying, and thus scum.

But that isn't the case.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #613 on: March 12, 2011, 05:12:52 AM »
I don't follow.  Shadoweh targeted Pesco N1, Conq N2 (at least, according to her PM to me and via process of elimination), and Schezo N3.  How does this information change the knowledge you've gleaned from your role?

(Also, since we're making info public - did you target anyone else in previous nights?)

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #614 on: March 12, 2011, 05:13:35 AM »
If I was the only one who knew he was scum I would agree with you Schezo. I honestly spent Day 3 twiddling my thumbs waiting for you to confirm the bus driver was gone so I could tell the people I thought were town what my results had gotten and get their opinions. Take a look at what I sent you and then a look at what Edible is saying, because other then what I said about Edible you got the same message. You should be able to tell he's lying from that. Also that I'm probably wrong about the first paragraph.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #615 on: March 12, 2011, 05:16:56 AM »
But I have a hard time believing what you say because you have no vote to back up what you are saying.  I guess you could say you want more information but you keep making what seems to me, bold remarks about people and seeming to cheerlead them on.  In short, put a vote to your words so we know what you are really wanting.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #616 on: March 12, 2011, 05:20:39 AM »
Oh, are we looking to clarify if one of us is lying about the PM?

How 'bout this:

@Shadoweh: Post word-for-word the PM you sent me last night.  You wrote it, so it doesn't violate the quoting-the-mod scenario.

Naturally I'll know if you're lying, but the same holds true for you - if one of us lies, one of us is scum, and we'll get a scum lynch as early as today.

And in the scenario where neither of us is lying (IE, you post it and it's the same one I got word-for-word), everyone can at least analyze the info publically, and I can use it to at least explain where my thought process came from.  I think it's win-win.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #617 on: March 12, 2011, 05:22:55 AM »
I don't follow.  Shadoweh targeted Pesco N1, Conq N2 (at least, according to her PM to me and via process of elimination), and Schezo N3.  How does this information change the knowledge you've gleaned from your role?
It doesn't.  However it removes any doubt I had over her role use due to my own failure.

(Also, since we're making info public - did you target anyone else in previous nights?)
[/quote]I targeted Hourai.  That fizzled too.  I was dissapointed because it would have allowed me to tell if Hourai really had used his power.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #618 on: March 12, 2011, 05:23:47 AM »
You targeted Hourai N1 and it fizzled? O_o

What'd you do N2?

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #619 on: March 12, 2011, 05:24:40 AM »
Umm didn't he join day 2?

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #620 on: March 12, 2011, 05:25:07 AM »
I'm not sure what I want right now. Edible stabbing me in the front came out of nowhere. Do I want to lynch Edible or Conqueror at this point? The possibility that Edible really is bulletproof and there's a third party that's Conqueror's scum partner still exists, as unlikely as I think it is. Even if I can't think of a way Conqueror isn't scum I'm not going to throw my vote somewhere until we decide on a lynch.

Unlike Conqueror though when I say I'm going to vote for him I'll actually.. yknow.. vote.
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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #621 on: March 12, 2011, 05:25:36 AM »
No I targeted N2.  I wasn't here Night 1 remember?  Joined Day 2.

Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #622 on: March 12, 2011, 05:29:12 AM »
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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #623 on: March 12, 2011, 05:29:44 AM »
Bulletproof is just an easy claim that I don't believe.  He can easily no kill because I had this option last game when I was Godfather, except people would catch onto it and lynch me in a heartbeat.  I want to see Edible's retort first before I decide what I want.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #624 on: March 12, 2011, 05:34:32 AM »
I should also say that I fully plan to vote Schezo, given he's the only either-confirmed-scum-or-victim-of-ludicrous-mod-screwup we have.  My thoughts on Shadoweh are secondary to this, and the contents of the PM plus the attempt on my life caused me to question her alignment.  I'll agree to drop my case on her today if my previous suggestion of her posting the PM she sent me is followed, assuming it's the same one I received.

An addendum: Should I find Shadoweh to be lying, I'm well aware it is far more likely for me to be lynched today than her.  I'm totally okay with this - though I'd prefer to survive to lylo seeing as scum can't kill me, I'm more than okay with being lynched if it means lynching scum the next day, given we're not in danger of losing yet.

Umm didn't he join day 2?

ajodsfiajsofdiasjf son of a bitch, I forgot about that!

... Which leads me to the question of why he'd use his ability on Hourai if Hourai said he couldn't use it N2. :|

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #625 on: March 12, 2011, 05:36:39 AM »
There was a line at the top about sending it to the tastiest of tasties that I've lost but:

Quote from: Shadoweh to Edible
Dear Edible.

Hello, this is Shadoweh! I guess someone could try to fake being me but really? Really. You have been chosen to receive this because Dormio doesn't realize he just claimed cop and cleared you. Considering the info I have I'd be surprised if any of the scum role names don't involve 'Virus' and I've thought you were town all game so I might as well live or die with my gut.

First of all the reason for what happened with Hourai is so simple I can't believe it eluded me. No one was ever suposed to see the waffle move. See how in post 363 he said "Argh, I don't want scum anony voting." and voted, then after the votecount in post 371 said "It said that Doll had L-2!". The votecount in #356 was originally messed up, huh what had Schezo voting Doll (5 votes instead of 4) and said Doll was at L-2. Hourai thought when he voted for Doll it was the hammer. If this plan had worked Bardiche would've been able to hard bus his fiercest opponent Zakeri the next day as the vote that "must have moved". Note that Hanged Hourai and Conqueror are also the ones that helped Bardiche hammer himself.

Oh, did I mention Conqueror is scum? Because Conqueror is scum. I checked him last night and not only is his day effect named Virus Outbreak but he gives out a POST RESTRICTION when he dies to everyone. Also check out the way he's trying to get Dormio lynched instead of going for the easy Hourai wagon. Now I don't know about you but I don't want another horrific post restriction written by Conqueror tomorrow so I propose we lynch Hourai today and not let Conqueror know we're onto him until he gets hit by a insta-lynch the next day.

If you agree to this plan please make a post with the words "Oh and Shadoweh is still townie obvious town." I will make a post with the reply "Edible: Is still the tastiest of tasty mans."

Schezo will note some of the wording is different and the second paragraph is bigger for his because I wrote his second. Obviously since Hourai FLIPPED FRICKING TOWN I no longer want an insta-lynch.


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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #626 on: March 12, 2011, 05:37:45 AM »
I wanted to see if he was lying.  If he couldn't Doc on Night 2 he shouldn't be roaming the streets.  He should be at home like a good doc.

Sadly it seemed like someone else knew Hourai was going to be grilled for his screwups and muddied the waters.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #627 on: March 12, 2011, 05:38:42 AM »
Also I hope this is leading to some brilliant revelation using multiple posts Edible, because I'd hate to think you were stalling with questions.

Again.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #628 on: March 12, 2011, 05:41:26 AM »
x3 just cause

Hey Conqueror, if your scum giving up is cool.  Keep the silence going.

(Checks watch)
Oh right time zones, I'll be polite then.

Dormio when you wake up a longer post then normal would be nice.  I'm 99.9% certain that I've caught the scum team, but some confirmation is always good.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #629 on: March 12, 2011, 05:58:53 AM »
(Stupid firefox.  I lost what I was typing.)

I can confirm that Shadoweh's quote is 100% the same as what I received last night.

@IF: A response for you is coming shortly.  Breaking it up so I can at least get this verification out, and I have to rewrite it.  I wouldn't expect a gigantic mess o' words, though. :P