GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - GAME OVER, SCUM WIN.

[Conqueror]

Crap, I answered the wrong question. Anyway, about lurkers, there's still a lot of time for them to post, so I'm not going to throw a random vote on them just because they haven't shown up/posted yet.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Anyone could easily hammer that and the day would end just like that.

If kips was town and scum decided to quickhammer him, then that would be awesome because we'd pretty much know who to lynch the next day. Not that I'd prefer a quickhammer to happen, but I really don't think there was much worry of kips dying less than 24 hours into d1.

Also, none of your comments on people actually reveal your stance on their alignment. It's all IIoA, and some of them (your statement about Hourai) could even be considered fence-sitting. I don't think those are the kind of opinions that PX wanted, since they're not actual opinions and more along the lines of recaps.

[Kips McKipzerson]

Yeesh I'm not ilmk, It's kips. gawd.

Anyways, What part of "Bard's as wishywashy as I am" not make sense?

[Bardiche]

The part where it's clearly not true.

Wishywashiness ISN"T "Oh, I voted the wrong person, let me correct that" and then "Well GOSH DARNIT THIS PERSON IS SCUMMIER".

Wishywashiness is "Well, this person might be scum... OR HE MIGHT NOT BE.", "I'm going to vote this person... BUT THEN I WON'T.", "We need to hunt scum... BUT WHAT IS SCUMHUNTING?"... you have not held a single opinion consistently save for that it is not possible to vote someone with right reasons at the start of the game. But to decry people who do so as scummy is circular logic that does not hold any water whatsoever.

[Conqueror]

Also, none of your comments on people actually reveal your stance on their alignment. It's all IIoA, and some of them (your statement about Hourai) could even be considered fence-sitting. I don't think those are the kind of opinions that PX wanted, since they're not actual opinions and more along the lines of recaps.

That's because it is IIoA. It's hard for me to make opinions on any of you because everybody's posts, for the most part, don't give me any reason to believe they're one alignment or another. As for clear-cut opinions on other people (besides kips, everyone seems to have an opinion on him) we don't really have that much from anyone. Which, again, is why I'm pushing for people to post more. I mean, I keep posting, whether to my benefit or detriment, and the rest of you can get info and make conclusions from that. I'd like to be able to get more reads on other people, and I'm sure other people would appreciate that too.

[Conqueror]

If kips was town and scum decided to quickhammer him, then that would be awesome because we'd pretty much know who to lynch the next day. Not that I'd prefer a quickhammer to happen, but I really don't think there was much worry of kips dying less than 24 hours into d1.

Also, looking at the past games on this board, some townie could easily quickhammer, simply because they thought he was exceptionally scummy. I don't usually see scum quickhammering on day 1, but that's just me...

[Kitten4u]

And btw pescos cat is looking scummy. No, srsly, it needs a bath.

I keep myself clean thank you very much. >:(

Anyway, what the heck am I reading?  Sifting through all this is giving me a headache.

I see there are a lot of newbies in this game, nice.  The best way I've found to differentiate newb town from newb scum early on is in CONVICTION!  I believe that newb town is more likely to go after people and believe in what they're saying.  Fence sitting and wishy-washiness are more likely to come from newb scum from what I've seen.  Here are the newbies that don't pass CONVICTION inspection (ordered from not as bad to worst):

PX: Confuses me.  I like this post.  I don't agree with the accusation, but oh man lookit that attacking go.  This post however, makes me sad.  Unvoting without revoting and a bunch of throwaway comments.  Seriously, he doesn't even say if Kips is scummy or just useless town and just goes for the policy lynch.  It's not damning, but it bothers me.

Conqueror: Straddles the line.  There's a lot of "let's wait and see" and stalling.  Enough that it's giving me CB flashbacks.  And I keep feeling this weird disconnect between his fearlessness in the RVS and his extreme cautiousness in voting for Kips.  I realize they're not really the same, but when I read his posts in isolation it makes me uneasy.

Sect: Hasn't done much of anything beyond amuse me with flavor.  Being amusing does not make someone town though.  Who is scum?

iliekmudkips: Do I really need to explain?  Enough other people have by now.  The only thing making me wary is how quickly the wagon formed and that there's no real counter wagon.  But between the general wishy-wasiness, overall badness and giving up (common for scum so that they give us less clues) it wouldn't surprise me if his buddies just threw him under the buss.  Kips!  Who is scum and why!

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With that said, I want to lynch either Sect or Kips right now.  I could be convinced to go after Conqueror, but I don't consider him a priority right now.  PX is more at "bugging me" level rather than lynch level right now.  I wouldn't support a PX lynch right now, but I'm certainly watching him.

Nothing else is jumping out at me.  This post is way too long anyway, sorry about that.

##Vote iliekmudkips (L-1) I can't forgive the giving up.  I know you say that you're not, but you are.  Declaring a final vote when the day isn't even half over is basically the same as excusing yourself from thinking, and therefore not playing the game.  I can understand getting frustrated, but I cannot see townie intent in giving up.

[Serela]

Vote Count- The One Where Someone Has Reached L-1

Iliekmudkips- Schezo, Zakeri, Conqueror, reVelske, Bardiche, Huhwhat, H.Hourai, Kitten4U
Conqueror- Bardiche, Pesco, Huhwhat
Bardiche- Conqueror, Sect, Iliekmudkips
reVelske]- Zakeri, Bardiche
H.Hourai- Golden PX
Huh what- Hanged Hourai
Kitten4u- Pesco

Sect and PX are not voting. There are 52 hours left in Day 1.  iliekmudkips is at L-1.

[WHMZakeri]

Whoops, deleted my post. Oh well, here's the only part you guys wanted to see anyway.

But between the general wishy-wasiness, overall badness and giving up

Kips Votes for bard because he thinks Bardiche is scum
Kips presents the reason why he initially thought Bard was scum.
Kips learns that voting is something you are suppose to be doing, and once again votes Bardiche.
[url=http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8444.msg552553.html#msg552553]Kips claims that he has no intention to unvote Bardiche. Also, that he's not giving up, just that he has no idea how to put words that sound pleasant to our ears together.

Kips may have a complete lack of logic within his reasoning, but he's definitely displayed the conviction needed to pass the "Newbtown vs Newbscum" analysis you made.

I was hoping to drag reVelske into something, but I should have known better from the discussion he participated in at the begining of Moriya shrine Mafia.

##Unvote: reVelske
##Vote: Conqueror

Call this a gut feeling if you will, but in addition to what I accused reVelske initially for:
Keeping Kips at the top of your suspicion list, but backing off seemingly to say "I'm a townie, look at me doing townie things." Despite the pressure on you, you haven't put anything forth besides the vote on Kips. This post where you unvote Bard saying you're not pushing him, yet put forth no other options besides the one at L-2 doesn't make you look any better. You pretty much read faketown to me (as oppose to Kips who reads fakescum.) And although you never say you feel Kips is town, and do say you want to vote him, I still can't help but shake the feeling in Here that you subconciously know Kips alignment is town. A Lot of things refuse to add up for me, even though there's nothing solid to pin on you.

In a similar note, Kitten4u's latest post describing you was what helped me to reach a conclusion on Conquror. Which makes me see a large disconnect between this and the fact that she ended up voting Kips instead.

[WHMZakeri]

Edit: Missed a /url tag. :ohdear:

Also, Kips, some advice: The reason you can't think of any good reason to convince us why Bardiche is scum is because there isn't one. I suggest you take a look over what everyone's posted, and try again, rather than leave it at "I just think he is."

[reVelske]

##UNVOTE: kips

*whistles and looks about*

##VOTE: PESCO

YOU! You got the face of someone who's ready to be lynched on day one! Submit to your fate!

[Kips McKipzerson]

Well, it seems like I've got nothing good to say according to y'all, so I might as well sit back and watch the game for a while.

oh, and, btw, gut > logic. Gut is saying to vote bard. That so hard to understand? :/

[Hanged Hourai]

@reV



I... you... why... what... huh?
You jokevoting?
Please explain before my head melts of confusion.

[Sect]

Kips, please don't post stuff like that. You're letting your emotions get the better of you. Just take a day to cool off.

Anyways, still haven't decided anything, yet, even after rereading everything. The only thing that really stuck out in my mind as being off was Pescoe's initial vote for Conqueror, but Pescoe hasn't said much at all (not that he's needed to, really).

[reVelske]

It's 7AM and I haven't slept, I've tried though, no luck.

And to elaborate, unvoting kips since he has cleared himself on my book, reason I'll keep to myself (sue me).

And as for voting, don't find anyone else particularly attention-worthy, though not a big fan of Pesco's lack of activity and his half-ass attack on Conqueror, and GUT FEELING FUCK YEAH, so free vote for him.

I grow weary of Sect's self-appointed Kips adviser role though.

[Kips McKipzerson]

Kips, please don't post stuff like that. You're letting your emotions get the better of you. Just take a day to cool off.

Anyways, still haven't decided anything, yet, even after rereading everything. The only thing that really stuck out in my mind as being off was Pescoe's initial vote for Conqueror, but Pescoe hasn't said much at all (not that he's needed to, really).

Emotions? It's moreso the fact that first off, no one wants to be lynched. Second off, if I post pretty much anything I'd prolly GET lynched. And third, who made you my daddy again?
wait
DADDY?!

[Bardiche]

No, mudkips, you're getting lynched because people are voting you and your strategy so far is, "Maybe if I pretend to be an idiot people will lay off."

Even scum can be an idiot, and so far I see nothing to redeem the earlier points regarding circular logic, terrible case-building, wishywashiness or anything you've done.

ReVelske makes me facepalm.

There's about six people I'd like to see lynched right now. If only I had six hammer votes to go around. Hourai, Sect, Mudkip, ReVelske, Hourai, Zakeri, what the hell are you doing?[/i]

[Kips McKipzerson]

No, mudkips, you're getting lynched because people are voting you and your strategy so far is, "Maybe if I pretend to be an idiot people will lay off."

Even scum can be an idiot, and so far I see nothing to redeem the earlier points regarding circular logic, terrible case-building, wishywashiness or anything you've done.

ReVelske makes me facepalm.

There's about six people I'd like to see lynched right now. If only I had six hammer votes to go around. Hourai, Sect, Mudkip, ReVelske, Hourai, Zakeri, what the hell are you doing?[/i]

Apparently playing better then you.

[Bardiche]

So what have you contributed to the game so far?

[Kips McKipzerson]

So what have you contributed to the game so far?

Well what have you? Both of us have been as wishy-washy as the other, correct? Only I'm the one "not making sense". And it also looks like I'm not getting a break, correct? >.>

[Sect]

... So, at this point, I guess you don't feel like playing any more, Kips. All right.

##Vote: iliekmudkips

To answer your question, Bardiche, at this point I don't have a clue. Let's just get to Day 2: I'm almost certain that Kips is town, but I'm also certain that this is just draining the life out of me.

[Kips McKipzerson]

Hell if I was giving up I'd say so.
Do remember who lead the lynch on me, and who hates me the most right now. :4

[Hanged Hourai]

There's about six people I'd like to see lynched right now. If only I had six hammer votes to go around. Hourai, Sect, Mudkip, ReVelske, Hourai, Zakeri, what the hell are you doing?[/i]

Why you hammer me twice, bro? ;--;
Unless you meant someone else. >.>

But what do you disagree with me about?

[Bardiche]

It's unfortunate you don't seem to understand why everyone disagrees with you about alleged "wishywashiness" in my voting patterns.

You're not doing anything to convince anyone voting you to vote, y'know, someone else. Other than "my gut says Bardiche is scum" and "but Bard is just as bad as me!", which everyone so far has disagreed on. Make an honest effort to pro-actively play the game. Or play the game at all.

Right now it just looks like you're trolling the game and resigning yourself to getting lynched.


Sect, you should vote scummy, not lynch people you think are town, but who are acting completely anti-town.


Hourai: I get the impression your vote on Mudkips is because Mudkips is being derp, not because you think they are scummy.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Sect, why are you voting somebody who you think is town? Are you really incapable of finding anybody else who irritates you at this point? In fact, if you're so sure kips is town, I imagine it would be easier to find somebody who irks you based on that.
reVelske, are you trolling or do you actually want Pesco lynched? I cannot see the point you are trying to make at all, and withholding your reasons for clearing kips is argh.

Seconding Bard on the six hammer votes.

And then he ninja'd me and said the same thing to Sect. <_< But everything else still stands.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Though... Bard, what do you think of Conqueror that makes him exempt from your hate list?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Herp derp triple post.

When did you start disliking Zak, too? You never even mentioned him until you talked about your desire for hammervotes.

[Bardiche]

Conqueror isn't on my hatelist because I've signed him off as derptown. I can revisit that opinion if you so like, but there's nothing in his posts that I enjoy seeing in a good townie. Making lists of suspicion, throwing hands up in the air going "I can't read anyone!", it's got all the makings of someone who is bad at both bluffing and discerning lies.

It's not immediately scummy to me, and while I am not particularly fond of it it is nothing that I find important enough to raise at this point in the face of the whirlwind of derp that renders me nearly incapable of figuring out just what everyone's plans for this Day phase are.

Other than derpbugaloo around the popsicle of derp a few times.


I started disliking Zakeri around the time he began defending Kips by reporting, then clearing him based on non-descript conditions for "derptown VS derpscum". Also not fond of him saying "There's no reason to convince us Bard is scum" due to buddying up to me, and I don't like that.

[Bardiche]

In fact, I think I'm willing to switch. ##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri

For as much as I find Iliekmudkips' behaviour to be completely anti-town, and his actions to be more detrimental than beneficial, they are also too obvious, too derp to be possibly passable for any scum. I'd rather not waste the town's lynch on someone who does not want to play the game, and had rather the mod deal with it, either by urging mudkips to start playing, by replacing, or by outright removing from the game.

[reVelske]

I'd rather not waste the town's lynch on someone who does not want to play the game, and had rather the mod deal with it, either by urging mudkips to start playing, by replacing, or by outright removing from the game.

Isn't that a little overboard? He has been playing a confusing game, but nothing warrants that sort of reaction. Trying a little too hard to build your pro-town image at the expense of a derpy player?

#UNVOTE
#VOTE Bardiche

@huhwhat: semi-trolling, semi-serious, I meant what i said, Nobody really stood out for me at that point of the game (except Kips), and knowing Pesco is an experienced player, have had the time to read the thread yet chose to not contribute made me question his position.

And he failed to help me topup my net account when I was capped last night, so he must die, I alone am the best. (j/k)