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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #240 on: March 06, 2011, 04:02:09 AM »
Looking at it from a different perspective, QB just has a very
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mindset, doesn't he?  :V

I actually skipped the first two episodes of Madoka, I wonder if that's affecting how I view this?  Even now I'm kind of having a hard time seeing QB as evil.

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #241 on: March 06, 2011, 04:18:06 AM »
well in my opinion I see it as evil but I may be wrong  but still that terrific smile must hide something ^_^

 
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QB  is transforming girl into Puella magica so that they could generate energy for his own people out of  human emotions since his race don't have them and eventually all puella magica become a witch OR get killed so it's basically
---> Wish ----> energy producing -----> Death or become a witch by getting your soul gem tainted
that's what I got from ep 9

Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #242 on: March 06, 2011, 04:23:31 AM »
Nothing personal, it's just business.

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« Reply #243 on: March 06, 2011, 04:26:56 AM »
Nothing personal, it's just
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trying to save the universe in the future for all other life forms
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I can't really condemn QB as evil for doing what he feels is right, even if it's unacceptable by most human standards.

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #244 on: March 06, 2011, 04:30:34 AM »
well maybe he's not but his smile will always be :) I can't stand it >.<

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #245 on: March 06, 2011, 04:47:37 AM »

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« Reply #246 on: March 06, 2011, 04:54:45 AM »
I'll have to xD at least he doesn't have his smile on that picture :D

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #247 on: March 06, 2011, 09:01:57 AM »
Nothing personal, it's just
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saving the universe for all life forms, including one day your's.
Further fixed.
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While primarily for his people, he does present everything on a universal scale throughout his conversation with Madoka.

Quote from: QB
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Do you know how many cultures exist in this universe, consuming energy every moment. Sometime in the future you humans will leave this planet and join us, too. It wouldn't be nice if the universe was dieing at that time, would it?


Really I'm with most people that cannot "hate" Kyubei anymore, even if I have a hard time agreeing with him. Basically what he says in his conversation with Madoka in episode 9 is a variation of the classic
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would you kill a baby to save a million people
hypothetical; he simply cannot fathom why humans would, more often than not, pick  the
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baby
despite all logic saying otherwise. His actions are purely "evil" because of a human moral standard that he admits he simply doesn't understand.

Quote from: QB
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"When you regret a wrong decision based on a misunderstanding, you humans tend to hate the other party for some reason."

Has he told a bunch of half-truths to get what he wants? Of course! Was that wrong? Depends if you feel the ends justify the means, and right now that's the show's biggest conflict and a large part of why I'm loving it so much.

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #248 on: March 06, 2011, 09:30:27 AM »
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He didn't actually  lie, but he's treading on the invisible fishing wire of deceit and uncertainty, and he knows it. I don't think Kyouko doing that was a part of his "plan" at all, just that the consequences were favorable. He didn't actually trick Kyouko, since she was hellbent on saving Sayaka anyways, and was looking for that genre-stereotypical "If we try hard enough we can save her!" device. Kyubey told her that it hasn't ever happened before to his knowledge, so the chances are extremely low at most. Kyouko went ahead anyways. Later when talking to Homura, Kyubey just repeated that he didn't think it would have been possible. He never changed his stance. However, the sheer amount of not-quite-deceit Kyubey tosses out on a regular basis is pretty coincidental to not be done on purpose. Not sharing information for weird reasons, talking to only certain people about certain things, and speaking over-factually enough that people twist the meaning slightly or misunderstand; it's easy to see that he's walking that line. But I don't think he's outright lying, at least not just with what we have presented so far.

Regardless though, considering the show's circumstances there is no way I'd be able to confidently conclude anything at all. That's why there's so much speculation in the first place, because all throughout the series there hasn't been a single thing wholly explained, and the writers are making a killing for it. Next thing we know episode 10 completely screws up everyone's expectations.



Until further proven I cannot believe anything Kyubey says. Even if the whole heat death avoidance is something that could become of pubescenergy, it's still possibly be a cover for something actually sinister. Homura being so intent on forbidding Madoka from contracting goes far beyond simply "lol energy". I'm not saying to dismiss Kyubey's explanation at all though, since it likely has relevance to the plot somehow. Otherwise it'd be a pretty empty mention.

How about this. Since the beginning of the series, Kyubey has shown to everyone that he reeeeeeeally wants Madoka to contract (up to this point, presumably because the energy produced from her witchification would amke the universe cum buckets). However, he isn't doing anything special aside from passively egging her on. When Homura confronts Kyubey, she says she knows what he's up to. As if he has a hidden agenda. What people seem to have ignored after episode 9 is that there would have no need to reveal that he has a hidden plan. Getting Madoka to contract and become a witch? That much would be obvious, and not worth any special mention. Homura isn't from this timeline. She already knows everything about what would happen when Walpurgisnacht arrives. There is yet even more to what Kyubey is trying to do, and half the people watching the show are being sucked into his explanation because it was all sciencey and shit. Fuck that. Witchification releases energy? Then why would there be a need to incubate grief seeds that have absorbed enough magic to fill to the brim? Why would there even be a need for witches after the transformation? What's more, the wishes the human makes is definitely a triggering factor in Kyubey being able to bring out their souls; Kyubey already says they have no overbearing moral code, and like he told Madoka, why would it matter if a few humans died every so often? If that were all true Kyubey would just be yanking out souls here and there. There must be some sort of consent needed.

i'm kind of annoyed at the one-dimensional stance most of you are taking, it's like "oh boy they sure fooled us! can't wait for next episode lolololol!
you're being spoon-fed the series instead of critically thinking about a series whose appeal depends mainly on critical thought (and reversal of magical girl stereotypes and audience expectations and good music and trippy art)

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #249 on: March 07, 2011, 12:14:01 AM »
I can trust Kyubei because, as far as we know, he has yet to lie. As I said, he has told a lot of half-truths and has intentionally withheld information, but everything he has told the girls has been fact. He's like a used car salesman; he'll tell you about the new stereo system but not that the timing belt is about to snap until after your engine dies on the highway. I don't hate him, probably, because he's an interesting antagonist at least. You've convinced me on one thing though, he definitely is up to something beyond simple energy. It's possible that he's acting independently from the rest of his race. What we don't know is what that plan could possibly be or why? Whatever it is cannot be good for us, or he wouldn't keep quiet about it. What it could be, though, who knows.

Looking back at the beginning of episode 1,
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it appears that the battle Homura was fighting (most likely against Walpurgisnacht) was taking place not in a witch's dimension, but in our world. The black/white world more resembles a witch's realm, and Madoka went through an "EXIT".
That could mean that the world is fucked anyways if Madoka does nothing.

That said, if
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witches are Magical Girls
, does that mean Walpurgisnacht is actually
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the incubated Grief Seeds?
I have no evidence for that guess, but it makes as much sense as any at this point.

On top of that, I willing to believe Madoka's "dream"
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actually happened in a previous timeline. Basically this is Homura's second time at least trying to stop whatever is going to happen. The first time she directly warned everyone and was ignored, which is why she constantly says when confronted that she told people and nobody believed her. Note that she never says who she told.
This adds to the desperation, since it would insinuate that she's nearly out of cards and is basically, once again, in a lose-lose situation. In the end, it all comes down to Madoka and Kyubei, and we likely will have at least until the end of ep. 11 until we finally get answers.
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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #250 on: March 07, 2011, 03:38:27 AM »
The thing about the exit, as explained in the first episode (or early second?) it is extraordinarily difficult for humans to get out of a witch's maze. All instances of witches so far you've had to breach an invisible exit, probably with magic, in a location only other magical girls can find. There wouldn't be just an easily labeled EXIT HERE LOL for an actual exit. As far as I'm concerned it's still a witch's maze. The laws of physics are totally shit upon. However, it's still possible that Kyubey might want to bring that into the real world for some reason, but eh. I do agree with incubated grief seeds evolving into a Walpurgisnacht, I had previously thought of that. The grief seed is, after all, only a seed, or an egg. Hence y'know incubator etc etc. I'm still a bit iffy on the whole time loop theory though, as there isn't much to support any looping even happening more than once.

What I haven't mentioned yet are the posters on Homura's wall. Ever since her house was shown it's revealed information about Walpurgis and hints on what Homura is trying to prevent. At first I thought it was more like a circus troupe (hence Walpurgisnacht is coming to town), considering posters have shown six figures of what are probably witches or human forms of magical girls that became Walpurgis. However, Reddums' assertion that Walpurgis is one powerful witch makes me think now that the poster is more of a glossary of previous/future Walpurgisnacht; whether it's witches Homura has fought or otherwise. Also, in episode 9 a poster was added: it's a clearer picture of the gear witch in episode 1 dreamland. It's reasonable to assume this is a Walpurgis, whether previous or future.

Another possible theory goes along with there being six witches/magical girls in Homura's posters. Gathering that witches start as a human girl, convert their souls into a soul gem, transform into a grief seed, get rid of their external bodies and absorb spent magical energy, then incubate; it's possible that they are reborn in a humanoid form once again. Going along with rhetorical character equivalence, six antagonist witches would be equivalent to six protagonist magical girls. We currently have pink, red, yellow, blue and purple/black. What we're missing is green. Yes, green is what I am proposing, and it isn't far off to consider the possibility of a certain green coming into the bigger picture. Or yet another way to see it, all six of these girls will die and/or become witches.

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #251 on: March 07, 2011, 03:58:38 AM »
gosick this week was pretty cool, new mystery hmmmm

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #252 on: March 07, 2011, 06:55:06 AM »
Damnit Drake you just made me watch the entire thing again.
I thought those posters and exit signs were just SHAFT being random :/
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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #253 on: March 07, 2011, 07:35:13 AM »
"Die, Monster! You don't belong in this world!"

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"Tribute? You steal girls' souls and make them your slaves!"

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"Your words are as empty as your soul. Mankind ill-needs a savior such as you"

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #254 on: March 08, 2011, 07:10:00 AM »
Forgot about Level E. I almost caught up, but stopped after the Color Ranger arc; I'll watch the next arc this weekend. As already said it was nothing special, but some solid laughs in there, the
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honeymoon
in particular.

Fractale is a solid number 2 right now. The ending to episode 7....wow I'm in love again. Nessa is awesome, bowl-cut is fucking creepy now ( :ohdear:), and the plot is moving at full steam again. Clain's lines about what he learned in Xanadu helped establish the anti-religious (or is it anti-technology?) message that the writers seem to want to push, but considering that Lost Millennium has been presented in a negative light multiple times
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(getting civilians involved in crossfire; Alabaster tricking refugees and gunning them down if they don't fight with them)
it's hard to say what, if anything, is supposed to be the positive message. I love shades of grey, but in this case it's kind of confusing since some groups seem to be all evil, while others are grey. The balance feels off.

Hopefully the next episode will show us a more in-depth look at the church, allowing us to maybe see some good in the Fractale system. So far we've seen it as an annoyance (Clain vision) and a evil illusionary drug addiction that's ruining the world (LM vision); it'd be nice to see some more inherent good in the system outside of pure luxury and speedy medical service to balance it out.

Sorry if this makes no sense, I'm dead tired and can't speculate well.

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #255 on: March 08, 2011, 12:13:55 PM »
Fractale is a solid number 2 right now. The ending to episode 7....wow I'm in love again. Nessa is awesome, bowl-cut is fucking creepy now ( :ohdear:), and the plot is moving at full steam again. Clain's lines about what he learned in Xanadu helped establish the anti-religious (or is it anti-technology?) message that the writers seem to want to push, but considering that Lost Millennium has been presented in a negative light multiple times
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(getting civilians involved in crossfire; Alabaster tricking refugees and gunning them down if they don't fight with them)
it's hard to say what, if anything, is supposed to be the positive message. I love shades of grey, but in this case it's kind of confusing since some groups seem to be all evil, while others are grey. The balance feels off.

That's funny, the balance feels perfectly realistic to me, because every political struggle - violent or otherwise - seems to be filled with nothing but gray. That's one of the reasons why I love Fractale. Neither side are cartoonishly evil or heroic; in fact, they're both deeply flawed. I think this makes the story more entertaining and interesting.

What we do know is, the Fractale system is falling apart. It could be LM's strategy to engage in a war of attrition, nickel-and-dime-ing the Temple until they completely fall apart, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that the Temple has an ace up its sleeve. Regardless, the more the Fractale system deteriorates, the more the people connected to it - whether through their terminals or not - also become more volatile. I'm really curious to see how the rest of this plays out.

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #256 on: March 10, 2011, 08:05:47 PM »
"being Homeru is suffering."
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« Reply #258 on: March 11, 2011, 02:55:00 AM »
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« Reply #259 on: March 11, 2011, 02:58:17 AM »
So THAT'S why she's making sure Madoka doesn't accept the contract.

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #260 on: March 11, 2011, 07:37:34 PM »
Madoka 10: Called it. Called it so hard! Still,
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it was fun seeing how everything transpired in previous timelines. At first there were only 2 magic girls, then 3, then 5. Also Mami losing it after the "witch reveal".

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The 2nd explosion caught me off guard; holy shit even if they survive they're certainly buried.

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #261 on: March 12, 2011, 01:06:35 AM »
I knew he was bad !

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« Reply #262 on: March 12, 2011, 02:20:16 AM »
QB is evil regardless of whether he is telling the full truth or not.

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The heat death of the universe is a long-ass ways away. Probably billions of years, at least? He needs to fuck off and go tell his scientists to find another energy source. By torturing humans to gather energy he's just doing what's convenient for him. Actually, that line he mentioned about tons of civilizations being at war makes me think he wants the energy now so he can use it for the purposes of a weapon, or something like that. Also, he did mention that he intended to turn every girl in the city into a magical girl so he definitely doesn't have humanity's interests in mind. I can't see any justification at all for what he's doing.

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Even if the girls agreed with me though, there's still a pretty big dilemma in that only magical girls can kill witches (or so it seems?), and every magical girl will become a witch later. They do need to get rid of the witches, but the only permanent solution I can think of is for every magical girl to go on a blitz to wipe out every witch, then commit suicide before they can become witches themselves. Which is pretty shitty D:

(I haven't seen 10 yet so apologies if something here is out of date)

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #263 on: March 12, 2011, 03:04:43 AM »
10 "suggests" that simply defeating all the witches and suiciding won't end the problem.

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #264 on: March 12, 2011, 06:26:35 AM »
Homura gets the award for
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best friend ever
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« Reply #265 on: March 12, 2011, 08:20:31 AM »
Oh god I just saw episode 10

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Homura's anguished wailing as she kills Madoka is one of the most heartcrushing things I've ever heard  щ(゚Д゚щ)

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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #266 on: March 12, 2011, 08:33:59 AM »
Seriously, the voice actors for Homura and Madoka did an incredible job this episode.



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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #267 on: March 12, 2011, 03:38:21 PM »
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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #268 on: March 18, 2011, 03:29:12 PM »

It's nice to see that some things don't change. :)
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Re: The Winter 2011 Season for Anime Thread
« Reply #269 on: March 18, 2011, 06:03:48 PM »
That scene, along with the picture scene, just about gave me diabetes.

The more I look at the manga art
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(especially the coloring)
the more I debate the merits of the art for the anime. On one hand doing so made a lot of these reveals (like at the beginning of the episode) harder to catch beforehand, but at the same time it makes you wonder
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just how does Phryne's hair change from bright red to brown to purple, outside of pseudo-science
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