JK9 Mafia - Game over like a dog with 2 legs

[reVelske]

woops did not bold the #unvote, let me try that again.

#UNVOTE

#VOTE: FFMASTER

[FFMaster]

To be quite honest, I actually expected to be showered with attacks for today, mainly due to my willingness to accept and trust Roukan during the dual-wagon situation whilst still urging for a PX lynch, and for the fact that me and Roukan have had minimal interaction through out Day One and Day Two...

I can't use that argument, since I am also accountable for it.

And you didn't try to pull apart my townie claim? Pull it apart to show that your vote is good please.

Also, I don't understand why Doll was the night kill, at all. I 100% expected that Affinity would be killed, due to being golden townie.

[FFMaster]

Also, you need to realise people sleep.

[FFMaster]

But yeah, it seems like you were too quick to cast a vote on me without attack my townie claim at all. People would have normally pulled that apart before voting. Trying to paint me in a worse light now eh? Or maybe you already know its true?

[reVelske]

I sleep too, AND I work 8 hours a day (well, "work"), so... pfft.

And oh yeah, your town claim, haha what? You actually need someone to break that non-sense? I'm sure you can easily do that yourself. Anyhow, it was rather arbitrary, why are you so eager to defend your alignment anyways? Especially seeing how no-one was even giving a crap about you. Paranoia much?

And you cannot really read a newbie's choice of action, he might have tried to protect someone with his power rather than roleblocking a possible scum, especially seeing how uncertain he was about you or anyone.

Doll lynch was an arbitrary one, only reason for it would be to take out someone who would provide absolutely no information whatsoever for the town.

[FFMaster]

I claimed it now because it is better to claim now than to claim while I was under fire. And you seem to have no problem trying to read my choice of actions, even though everyone here knows I'm a newbie as well. But we'll see how this game turns out. It is the others after all who need to be convinced to lynch me.

[FFMaster]

Before I came under direct fire*

[Affinity]

@FFMaster:

Your townie 'claim' isn't very verifiable.  Even long-time players tend to choose jailer targets different from the people they have been openly suspicious of, and it's not reliable by much.  And it's up to the jailers' discretion to jail town or scum too, so I don't see where you're coming from.... You should be the one updating your case on reVelske since he's not going for PX anymore (which was one of your reasons for going after him from D2), not just sitting around to wait for people to have opinions on it or your 'claim'.

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@Bardiche:

The reason why I didn't like you not voting Roukanken at that point was because you said that your suspicion on Serela was lowering due to his dogged perseverance on you and that you would change your vote to Rou if Serela clarified his case, which frankly seemed like a set-up to conveniently change votes if the bandwagon on Rou grew.  It didn't feel as if you felt Neo was scummier at the time.  This is debatable, though.

Also, I think it's a little downright unfair to say that Neo has been posting complete 'nonsense' the entire game; his defenses against your RVS thingy were quite competent and were ones I agreed with, and his longpost towards the end of D2 did make sense and telegraphed a willingness to vote Roukanken, even if that suspicion came mainly from his defense (which is fishy).  Also, his swingvote on Roukanken did not come out of nowhere.

I agree with you that his vote on you needs some explaining, but it hardly warrants the misrep given, and it seems like a rather huge inconsistency when compared to the previous post you made, where you said that your suspicion on NeoSerela was 'lowering somewhat' and that you would consider changing your vote if Serela clarified his case against you.  Given that Serela hardly did anything except hammer in between these two posts, I find this change strange.  What happened?

[PX]

##Unvote

Remember, Day 2 was basically an extended Day 1, so you can't blame people too much for wagon jumping, as many said Day 1 Lynch > No Lynch

That said, FFMaster definitely has a questionable town claim. Rev looks better to me now since he finally cooked up a case. Neo so far did have a case on Rou, but now that he's dead, he's been doing nothing but defending himself the entire game. And lurking. So far, Neo and FFMaster look the most likely scum.

HOWEVER! After taking Cirno's Perfect Math ClassAfter doing some number crunching, I see a No Lynch as the best action for Town today. With 6 people, it'll take a nice 4 people majority to get a lynch. Of those 4 on the wagon, one of them must definitely be scum if we mislynch. We lost our jailer, so that handicaps us a lot. However, we still have the tracker. It would be better for us to leave 6 people alive. On Day 4, we'd have 5 people and avoid MyLo then. It'll also give the tracker another day to find the scum. Then we can afford a Mislynch on Day 4 to lead to a 3 man LyLo, where we'll have the best odds of finding the scum. However, if a convincing enough case comes up, I'm all for lynching. No more RVS shenanigan shenanigans.

[reVelske]

I claimed it now because it is better to claim now than to claim while I was under fire. And you seem to have no problem trying to read my choice of actions, even though everyone here knows I'm a newbie as well. But we'll see how this game turns out. It is the others after all who need to be convinced to lynch me.

We all "read" people's actions, of course, but yours just happens to based on a little too much assumptions, and we don't base our entire argument/defense on something as insubstantial as that.

And I have no idea about your "newbie"-ness, especially considering how I know you've actually played Mafia at least once or twice, which should be more than enough really.

Of those 4 on the wagon, one of them must definitely be scum if we mislynch.

Challenging the scum to a game of WIFOM?

However, we still have the tracker.

Is that a fact? I have no idea of the game setup, I thought it'd be somewhat random, or is there actually a guaranteed setup to this?

It would be better for us to leave 6 people alive.

*sighs* Yes yes, no lynch would be the best option right now of course, but you could've at least waited a little so some pressuring on players can be done, now people are just gonna sit on their asses and take it easy.

[Pesco]

Vote count

Neo: Bardiche
PX: Affinity
reVelske: FFMaster
FFMaster: reVelske

Not voting: PX, NeoSerela

6 alive, 4 vote to lynch.

Just over 25 hours left.

[FFMaster]

Is my assumption that Doll targeted me really that bad? I honestly only see 2 cases:
1) Doll targeted Affinity to protect him
2) Doll targeted me to see if the night kill was prevented.

Then again, looking back, Doll wasn't very sure at all. Maybe he saw my hammer on Rou and confused him even more? Maybe my assumption was pretty farfetched then. I want to hear all of your opinions on what Doll would have done though.

As for reVelske, maybe I've been wrong about him. Maybe like Neo/Bard, me and reV have just been at odds due to different playstyles. I really dislike the way he plays, but lynching someone due to that isn't the right way to go.

*sighs* Yes yes, no lynch would be the best option right now of course, but you could've at least waited a little so some pressuring on players can be done, now people are just gonna sit on their asses and take it easy.

I don't agree with you there. If a newbie can work this out, any other experienced player (everyone except me) could work that out in 2 seconds as well. This was what I mean by painting PX in a bad light. I might not be able to pass an english(or as me and Baity call it, bullshit) exam, but I can tell that PX said it to show that he wants to benefit town, and show that he is capable of making decisions and not follow people around, unlike me.

##Unvote

Sigh, I'm not sure if I should do this at all... oh well.

[Bardiche]

I keep on NeoSerela, Affinity, because he's the scummiest person. Suspicions abating somewhat does not scot free make.

That aside, the recent development of reVelske VS FFMaster is somewhat amusing, but also a little weird. FFMaster's absurd defence of "contest my townie claim" is... well, absurd. I don't really know what inspired him to do so at all, or why he wants conjecture about Doll's demise, or even uses it as leverage.

Whoever offed Doll is scum. Whatever reason they had is a mystery.

Current scummiest sentiment, though?

##Unvote
##Vote: PX

"Derp let's not use Town's strongest weapon". Really? The lynch is our strongest weapon. It gives us information and a shot at victory. If the tracker DIES, we'll have gambled our entire strategy on a shit-all moment praying for success from a power role. No, we're not going to do that. We'll take decisive action and move the game forward by our hands, not by the hands of scum in Who Lives and Who Dies. If we mislynch today, and it'll be MyLo, we can ALWAYS abstain tomorrow as necessary. But for now, I see no reason to hold our hand.

[Affinity]

PX using the No Lynch option in place of having a case on someone (and blaming others prior to this for not having one) is generally quite suspect.  I'm okay with the suggestion of No Lynch (though I disagree with it), but still one must say who he suspects and who he does not.  Furthermore, for every night that passes, scum has the opportunity to kill the tracker too, so that cancels the benefits out.  Best to lynch and have a shot at winning.  Him dropping his case on reV at the drop of the hat and saying that he will follow any other good case (why don't you make your own) is also very wishy washy.  At least FFMaster seems marginally more consistent than PX, though they are responsible for the same sins.

Serela hasn't been here for two days, I realize. 

And of course, Bard, your explanation is unsatisfactory, and changing to PX for the sole reason that he suggested No Lynch (why can't a newbie town do that) is also bad... Your play has been... weird to say the least.

[PX]

I'd rather go for a nonlynch on Day 3 than a nonlynch on Day 4. If we went for a mislynch on Day 3, and a non lynch on Day 4, we'd gain nothing between Day 4 and Day 5. And if we nonlynch on Day 3, we're free to go about on any case on Day 4, without fear of losing or holding back.

I dropped the case on reV because my whole case was on him going tunneled against me, with no case whatsoever. Now that he put a case on FFMaster, I don't see him as the scummiest.

However, Neo has been gone for... pretty much the entire Day 3.

However, with the way the game has been going, with the mass disappearances, weird playstyles, RVS arguments, eh... What's there to go against? Only things that stick out are Neo, who pretty much disappeared, and the people who jumped onto the Rou wagon, as said before half the people there had no reason to jump on other than to get a lynch off and get some information.

Fun Fact: With Bard voting me, I have officially had everyone in the game vote for me at one point or another.

[FFMaster]

I am just generally confused about this whole game. I hoped it would get better after Day 1, but it seems to be not the case. With 0 experience on games that go past 1 day for me, I really have no idea what I am doing. And of course my defence is absurd. I don't actually know how to form a good argument at all, even if every piece of information was given to me.

I don't care about either option to lynch/not lynch. I can kind of see what PX is saying, but yes, the lynch is a powerful weapon. I don't have a good case on anyone really, and I won't be awake when the day ends. So, I have to work out a good vote in a couple of hours. If not, I'll just vote reV and that will be all.

I really fucked up bad. "Worst mafia player ever" says it all.

[FFMaster]

Fuck this.

##Vote reVelske

I'll probably wake up to find out I was the town lynch. If so, good luck town. I have nothing of value to input. As I said a few hours ago, I fucked up bad.

[Bardiche]

When the entirety of the game explodes in derp, Affinity, I just run with it. :V I play better when it's anonymafia.

People aren't really saying anything of substance. We have one massive, gigantic lurker who never really says anything and who had the weirdest D1 argument I've ever seen but no one wants to vote it, and the others are various levels of "meh" or "sorta townie" to me to the point that I can't see a scumteam beside Rou/Serela. PX's "Let's no lynch" is the only other scummy sentiment I've seen.

FFMaster's defence is absurd, but absurdity is not scummy by itself. I'd vote and lynch him for his terrible play that's really unhelpful, but the newbie pass still lends him some grace. This defeationist attitude is quickly changing my attitude to "Oh god let's just lynch him and get over it already", but I don't think he's scum so I don't wanna.

ReVelske's being an ass, but reasonable within said asshattery. Case on FFMaster is solid except of course he's going after the newbie but whatever.

In summation: derpherp

[Pesco]

Vote count

PX: Affinity, Bardiche
reVelske: FFMaster
FFMaster: reVelske

Not voting: PX, NeoSerela

6 alive, 4 vote to lynch.

90 minutes left.

[PX]

I agree with Bard about this game, it's all derp nothing to go with derp game.

Also, I saw Neo on so I'm waiting for him to say something, otherwise he's just actively lurking.

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[Pesco]

No Lynch was reached. Send in your actions within the next 24 hours.

[Pesco]

Bardiche - Old Dog - lived for too long and passed away N3

5 alive, 3 votes to lynch.

72 hours remain.

[PX]

I was reading through Affinity's posts and find him to be ob. town due to going after Rou first day, otherwise that would be super ridiculous bussing.

Meanwhile... Neo hasn't posted since a few hours after Day 3 started. What the hell? I thought you said you were going to post?

##Vote: Neo

[reVelske]

##Vote: Neo

I still don't totally buy this, but now that Bard is confirmed town, I'd like to believe that he hasn't spent majority of this game raising a shitstorm over nothing.

[FFMaster]

That makes no sense reV. Why the hell would Neo kill Bard if it was going to incriminate him?

##vote reVelske

[Serela]

I totally had a reason for lurking >: Ummm, although, mostly it was just "oh I'll post in an hour" *an hour later* "oooh I'll post in an hour" /repeat in combination with "I don't really have anything much to say anyway... :/". There's still no excuse for what I did, of course, since I didn't even PM Pesco like he said to do if you're gonna lurk :V

Anywaaaay. What why isn't Affinity the nightkill. I mean, I understood when there was still the Jailer out there, but now? Well, this makes things easier for me anyway. Nightkills this game don't make sense and I've accepted that fact by now (Otherwise I might start going "hmm" simply because :whyisn'taffinitydead: but isn't that kind of a silly argument?)

My feelings on Rev and Affinity haven't changed from yesterday; obvtown and swingvoter that makes him likely a town with massive playstyle differences. That leaves PX and FFM. And... we still have two lynches remaining! Whoop. I think PX is more likely scum then FFM, though. FFM seems... consistent, thinks logically for what I think his level of skill probably is, even though I don't agree with him I see how he is coming to his conclusions.

##Vote:PX

also because his D4 opening post of voting the superlurker and calling Affinity obvtown is sooper easy to do whether you're town or scum. It's like getting free candy. You don't have to do anything, it's just there for the taking.

[Affinity]

That makes no sense reV. Why the hell would Neo kill Bard if it was going to incriminate him?

Note that NK's often have nothing to do with the actual cases offered in the game.  Anyone has an equal chance of killing Bard,  and so this statement does not make any sense.  Likewise, anyone has an equal chance of jailing you, not just Doll, etc.  Heck, at this stage of the game, I'm not even sure why I'm not NK'ed yet.

I'm thirding my intention to vote Neo.  Despite my moderate faith in his D1 and D2 actions, dropping back without doing anything at this stage of the game (or even asking for a replacement) is incriminating.  Other than, I still think that PX is likely scum for that vote change from Roukanken to reVelske, nearly leading it to a lynch on D2 and all of a sudden discounting it latter when it was clear that there would be no one willing to vote him.  FFMaster is still somewhat suspect, but continued votes on... reVelske makes it look as if he has some semblance of stance.  Also, reVelske seems to be the towniest of the lot, with the most solid opinions, but still, all the other willing voters on Rou are more or less gone, and with only one lynch so far, everything... seems like a crapshoot in my opinion.

Ninja:  Oh, Neo showed up.  I'm weary of catching scum by elimination though, and I sort of want to see why PX is scum instead of why everyone else is town (D4 opening post... is commone and okay).  But I sympathize with the vote due to the reasons above, and so...

##Vote: PX

[FFMaster]

[10:27] <FFMaster> @choose PX or Neo
[10:27] <@Keine-chan> FFMaster: I choose...PX! ^_^V
[10:27] <FFMaster> ok, he dies

I don't think I can convince anybody of anything, let alone lynching the person who everyone thinks as the "most townie". Yay for being here only for a vote. I honestly see them both as equally scummy.

##Unvote
##Vote PX

[PX]

You... are such a dick. TOWNIE DEAD, have fun in LyLo

[PX]

Also, can anyone who is dead pm me the link to the graveyard? It's 1:30 AM for Pesco