Author Topic: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Game Over, Town Win  (Read 74275 times)

Ouja

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 2 starts now.
« Reply #210 on: October 15, 2010, 11:43:10 AM »
Done skimming the thread for Drake with a side of Slaves.

So the only real post he has on D2 is chiding Valentia for bad play (I sense a familiar theme here with his D1 votes).  He's even kind enough to not say anything else when the vote count resets.

Rereading Day 1 Drake still looks as bad as I first thought. 
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Feeling confident that either you or Wrathie is scum. Doubtful that you both are because it feels absurd to me that scum would tie themselves to each other, but I suppose weirder things have happened. Leaning a little more towards Wrathie right now pending a response to my queries from last post.
lol, I've seen this kind of logic from flipped scum in this game!

The first and last time Slaves mentioned Drake was in a post where he gives a Love Tap of Suspicion.  The next part is interesting too. 
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But well, Drake, I had a third vote given to me by Violentia on the first page without reasoning (which I think it's fine), but why didn't you raise this over that?  Not likely to explain much, since they're the same person, but you're going to have to do more than just implicating people as scum for suspecting you.   

But ending RVS to me takes a little bit of town effort, so I'm actually much more wary on Kilga for jumping on the bandwagon without much reasoning; how is chiding Trance and encouraging scumhunting scummy by itself?  I don't agree with what donut is saying, but at least his reasoning seems more extensive to showing why he is scum.
Wait, what?

The last D1 Drakepost says "gee I missed a lot" (which happens to be remarkably similar to how his first D2 post began, but this one comes with a lot more text) and manages to hop onto Pesco.  In Drake's situation as Town or scum I would expect that because not jumping on Pesco at that point would have been stupid.  However, most of the post is excusing himself from voting Wrathie (who is absent from all of his future posts) and uselessly flaming "lurkers", of which he himself has become.

Somehow Slaves' waffling has zoned from Sana + Trance (no opinion) to Trance + Valentia (Trance, definitely not Valentia) to Valentia + Donut (Valentia).  As mentioned before, Valentia is basically a policy lynch.  You want easy lynches?  It doesn't get easier than that.

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Well okay that was worth the effort.  I couldn't have done it yesterday due to RL time constraints but I still feel lazy.

Ouja

  • Ouja
Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 2 starts now.
« Reply #211 on: October 15, 2010, 11:45:11 AM »
So yeah the Valentia wagon is now officially icky.

Kick Hopper

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 2 starts now.
« Reply #212 on: October 15, 2010, 01:25:24 PM »
1-3 are interchangeable
4 is a wild card toss up
7-8 are safe though

I got some real life stuff to take care of, so hopefully I can get back before the day ends.

Ouja

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« Reply #213 on: October 15, 2010, 01:29:50 PM »
Trance just broke his alleged post restriction.  I would like an explanation.
The above post was not an explanation of this.

OOO

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« Reply #214 on: October 15, 2010, 02:58:47 PM »
Why waffling?  I explained why I thought Trance more interesting than Sana, and how Violentia is absolutely not interesting in playing the game as opposed to Trance, who at least seems like he is.  I did not know that Violentia would be that hateful in not providing anything at all to work with, but she was, apparently, which is why I changed my vote.  And if you think that vote-hopping is not scummy, why are you applying that concept to me?  I certainly am allowed to think more than one person scum too (yes, I do think that your methods and explanations need questioning, see below), and I'm interested to know the difference between waffling and vote-hopping.  And of course, fabricating scumpairs and trying to go anywhere with them is always dubious at best.

Besides, with nine-tenths of your posts used to justify your methods and engage in a rather drawn-out and non-useful defense using WIFOM and stuff like that (scum would not do that!  I would be lurking, looking at me is a waste of time! etc.), and the other one-tenth voting people on the sole merit of them not being on your town list plus rather strange reasons (lining up your lynch?  How?)  I could say that you are the one roaming round the bandwagons and seeing which one gains some weight without much differentiation between the targets (where did your Mode case go?  ...Trance was more likely to submit the Kilgakill?) without much logical justification.  Out of the four to five people not on your list, I have no idea about how you look at things since you often change your votes without reference to what they actually did.  This is the reason why your vote changes are rather questionable at best and seemingly borne more of indecision than any great scumhunting drive.

Kiva-la

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« Reply #215 on: October 15, 2010, 03:36:03 PM »
Donut, I said item swap, not vote swap. Are you seriously telling me that, even though you had an item yesterday and lost it, and received a different item today, you didn't know that items could be gained or lost, or that they could move between players? If you DID know that, why did you try to claim that you, as scum, would try to keep the secret vote hidden when it was no longer hidden the instant it changed hands?

Slaves, is Donut scum or not? And why are you attacking him for spending a lot of time defending when he's spent a lot of time being attacked?

Ouja

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« Reply #216 on: October 15, 2010, 03:44:19 PM »
The above post was similarly not an answer to my previous question--Am I scum?  In fact,
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I certainly am allowed to think more than one person scum too
Who is scum?

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I explained why I thought Trance more interesting than Sana, and how Violentia is absolutely not interesting in playing the game as opposed to Trance, who at least seems like he is.  I did not know that Violentia would be that hateful in not providing anything at all to work with, but she was, apparently, which is why I changed my vote.  And if you think that vote-hopping is not scummy, why are you applying that concept to me?
Nonono.  You said "you were not in either camp" in between Trance and Sana.  It's a shame Sana left because I'm interested in how you would have broken that tie.

Your votes today have been interested in punishing bad play.  You said you would choose between Trance and Sana based on whether Trance made a nice post, Valentia evidently rocketed up your scumlist because of bad posting, and Trance isn't anywhere in sight because his posting is relatively not that bad.

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(lining up your lynch?  How?)
Read that post and tell me it doesn't basically say "I'm going to policy vote Valentia and probably go for Donut tomorrow if he doesn't behave".

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(where did your Mode case go?  ...Trance was more likely to submit the Kilgakill?)
I got townish reactions from Mode to the extent that I stopped pressing him.  I probably overthought how much I could game the mod.

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Out of the four to five people not on your list, I have no idea about how you look at things since you often change your votes without reference to what they actually did.
How much more clear do you need me to be?  The case on Sana was self-evident.  I agreed with Kilga about you.  I launched a fairly nice attack on Mode, although there was no vote attached.  I provided a reason for going to Valentia clearly based on what was inthread.  I provided reasons for going on and off Trance, and then back to you.

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Besides, with nine-tenths of your posts used to justify your methods and engage in a rather drawn-out and non-useful defense using WIFOM and stuff like that (scum would not do that!  I would be lurking, looking at me is a waste of time! etc.),
It's non-useful because people don't know what to look for.  This may or may not be my fault.

Looking at me - and in particular Purvis and Wrathie looking at me because they don't need the Town cred - IS a waste of time.  It's hard for me to go anywhere when we're the only three people posting out of eight.

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If you DID know that, why did you try to claim that you, as scum, would try to keep the secret vote hidden when it was no longer hidden the instant it changed hands?
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I don't know how the vote swap works.  Scum passing to scum -> awesome.
And I still prevented it from going to scum.
If scum have that extra vote in LyLo, they win.  It doesn't matter who knows about it or not.

Ouja

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« Reply #217 on: October 15, 2010, 03:45:20 PM »
EBWOP:  "Above post" refers to Slaves.

OOO

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 2 starts now.
« Reply #218 on: October 15, 2010, 04:58:38 PM »
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"I'm going to policy vote Valentia and probably go for Donut tomorrow if he doesn't behave".

Well, yes, though what I meant was what you would do during D3.  How is this bad, and if I were 'lining up' someone's lynch, would it be scummy?

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You said "you were not in either camp" in between Trance and Sana.

That's certainly not akin to waffling.  It was simply witholding judgment until Trance posted; I did not have any inclination to vote on over the other at that point in time (since they were equally scummy), but I felt that Trance needed a looking at, hence the vote. (in fact I said that Sana was more original than Trance, which amounts to an opinion).

And aren't all votes engineered to punish play you find bad?  How is this waffling and not 'vote-jumping'?

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And why are you attacking him for spending a lot of time defending when he's spent a lot of time being attacked?

He certainly could have been more succinct and dropped all that obfuscatory nonsense about what scum would do and what not. 

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As for that question, I would say that yes, you are scummy (I thought I said that in brackets) before Trance (for reasons already given) and Violentia (for not playing).  Firstly, you agreed with Kilga about me and yet found a snippet from Violentia's post without waiting for my response and jumped unnecessarily onto Violentia's wagon, without making known your opinions to my response.  Secondly, you changed from Violentia to Trance due to the mod speculation you admitted to and without any post from Violentia.  Then you drop that Trance point and switch back to me because I am apparently 'lining up your lynch'.  How is that in any way solid?  It's more schizophrenic then evidence that you are considering many scum, with very little follow-up to anything and 'points' to terse and random to be original.  The Drake post you made this page was slightly better but it also amounts to nothing for today. 

And of course, that post contradicts with your past position that 'the case on the people I voted are mostly based on the fact that they don't appear on my town list', since you actually start analyzing, analysis you certainly could have done rather than do this post at that point in time. 

In your favor, you had strong activity (but concerned with defending yourself and not finding scum in my opinion) and something decent on Mode (which was not followed up on), but that's about it in my opinion.  But of course, not enough to tip Violentia off for now for reasons explained.  Would rather get rid of people who could cause lots of pain for LyLO.

Skull

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« Reply #219 on: October 15, 2010, 05:18:12 PM »
I never actually said Valentia and Trance were obvious scum.  I don't know which of the two is better and with no further decentposting it's hard to tell or really care.

That "[not] really care" part is what irks me. You should damn well care if you're a Townie. Scum are the ones who never really care unless it's one of their own. And Nut, the obvscum question I asked stems from something in your previous post:

As I said before, I expected to get grilled for my play sooner or later.  The fact that this push is soaking up a real-time day is discouraging.  It's not impossible for me to get lynched over obvious scum.  But what really frustrates me is that the people who are pushing me as scum are my top Town reads and no doubt everyone else's.  It's a waste.

Of course, now that you've placed a bet on Trance being emo Town newbie and feel icky about the Valentia wagon now, it's definitely not a case of obvious scum anymore right? Also, if you had given the people who are the most likely Townies satisfactory explanations, they would have moved on. In your case, it hasn't happened and I personally don't see it as a waste of time.

Vote-hopping is not scummy.  Repeat.  Vote-hopping is not scummy.

Context Nut, context. I don't think I've ever seen anyone vote 4 different people on a day other than Day 1. When the premise suggests several if not all of those 4 people are mislynches (voted before Town Sana's escape), I say it jumps into the scummy territory. Slaves described why its bad decently well in #214.

Drake is long overdue for a prod. Please prod him mods. Also, votecount and time left please. I know we're probably under 12 hours left now.

Slaves: You have suspicion of Donut for a variety of reasons, but will not let off Valentia because he's more spazzy or something? Understand this, we are here to lynch scum, not liabilities. You even say Donut is more scummy than either Trance or Violentia. If Town is correct about Donut being Scum, Town does not lose ground. In such a case, you can readdress Violentia tomorrow if you prefer.

Kiva-la

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 2 starts now.
« Reply #220 on: October 15, 2010, 06:54:07 PM »
Slaves: You have suspicion of Donut for a variety of reasons, but will not let off Valentia because he's more spazzy or something? Understand this, we are here to lynch scum, not liabilities. You even say Donut is more scummy than either Trance or Violentia.

Which is exactly why I re-asked that question. Slaves, your vote should be on who you find scummiest barring extreme time pressure circumstances, and we're not under those right now.

If scum have that extra vote in LyLo, they win.  It doesn't matter who knows about it or not.

Missing the point, again. You used the fact that scum-you would want to keep the vote hidden in your defense of why you were town - but the vote wasn't hidden anymore by the time you got it, making that defense null.

Serela

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 2 starts now.
« Reply #221 on: October 15, 2010, 08:47:09 PM »
So, Votecount here!

Violentia (3): Easy Modo, GODrake, Slabes
Kuruminut (2): Omega Wrathie, HoboverlordPurvis
TranceTheHime (1): Violentia
Slabes (1): Kuruminut

Not Voting:TranceTheHime

Drake is being prodded (This is much overdue, yes, but I was asleep/at school for 90% of that time ;_; )

With 8 players, it takes 5 to lynch.
There are a little less then 4 hours left in the day.
<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

Den-O

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 2 starts now.
« Reply #222 on: October 15, 2010, 09:16:39 PM »
I will not be here when the day ends - I agree with Slaves about Violentia remaining a liability, but I'm willing to go along with Wrathie. I've read him consistently town throughout, and if Violentia or Donut is scum, Donut is the one who is skilled enough to hide it without resorting to refuge in audacity. As such, vote change, as neither side seems to want to budge.

Yay, Drake prod.

##Unvote
##Vote: Kuruminut

Ouja

  • Ouja
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« Reply #223 on: October 15, 2010, 10:32:52 PM »
This deadline wagon rush should be interesting, what with all the lurkers coming out.

I'll go ahead and tell you the fun stuff now.

I'm an Edible (not THAT Edible) Pastry, something of an Untargetable-maker.  I target someone, anyone who targets them instead takes a nibble.  I was seductively nibbled five times last night, thrice by the same person, after targeting Purvis (who else?).  In the event that I'm nibbled enough, I allegedly die (although five times seems like a lot to me, but what do I know?).  I wouldn't mind No Lynch today if I died overnight, but all of you might.

My original item allowed me to vote for a day after death.  Lynching scum holding this in LyLo will cause a Town loss.

My reads are pretty much as I've been saying for quite the while now.  I really don't trust this vote from Mode, what with the reasoning being "Donut is skilled and also what Wrathie said" but with too many unknowns and lurkers it's hard to point fingers in any solid direction (esp. since I strongly suspect the scum are among the lurkers, not a difficult hypothesis considering the concertedly active people are me and the incredibly obvious Townies).  I don't know if Slaves' efforts are genuine or not; by the time he started talking I was an easy target.  With any luck this setup is reasonably balanced and there's only one Mafioso remaining.  If not, try not to get randomly screwed by items tomorrow.

Massclaim tomorrow.  There's a fairly nice chance that you can pick out fake claims with the amount of flavor in this game.

I'm used to a different site meta.  I won't admit to playing a clean game by any means but I will admit to each of us tripping over each other's expectations.

If I could shoot one player it would be Drake.  The reread for Drake turned into a reread for Drake+Slaves simply because I needed to do read both, FWIW.  Anyway, Drake is obviously experienced and doesn't have a single satisfying vote to his credit as of the present.

The chance of there being at least one scum on the Valentia wagon as of the last vote count is actually very good.  Trance is probably not scum.  It would be hilarious if Valentia was (bussed) scum.

I should be here in a few hours to answer any further questions or griping.

##Unvote: Slaves
##Vote: Drake

Serela

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« Reply #224 on: October 15, 2010, 10:37:40 PM »
About an hour and 50 minutes left.
<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

Kiva-la

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« Reply #225 on: October 15, 2010, 10:56:10 PM »
I'm still around, and should be up to the deadline, though I will say so if I am called away. At this point I would be up for a Donut, Slaves or Drake lynch and would only vote Trance or Valentia if the alternative was No Lynch.

Serela

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« Reply #226 on: October 15, 2010, 11:02:51 PM »
why wasn't the time update a votecount too

Ending Days Votecount

Kuruminut (3): Omega Wrathie, HoboverlordPurvis, Easy Modo
Violentia (2): GODrake, Slabes
TranceTheHime (1): Violentia
GODrake (1): Kuruminut

Not Voting:TranceTheHime

With 8 players, it takes 5 to lynch.
There is about 1 and a half hours left in the day.
<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

Kick Hopper

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« Reply #227 on: October 15, 2010, 11:14:49 PM »
And I make it just before the deadline.

##Vote: Drake

Kiva-la

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« Reply #228 on: October 15, 2010, 11:17:30 PM »
Why did you choose Drake over Donut and Valentia, who were higher on your list?

Kick Hopper

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« Reply #229 on: October 15, 2010, 11:23:34 PM »
Drake hasn't responded in... forever. At this rate, he'll probably be modkilled, and that would be a free kill for scum. I'd rather waste a lynch on a vanished person than a person who has potential to help out.

Serela

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« Reply #230 on: October 15, 2010, 11:40:58 PM »
50 minutes left.
<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

Skull

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« Reply #231 on: October 16, 2010, 12:00:53 AM »
You lurkers picked one hell of a fucking time to play chicken with votes.

I am here. Gonna juggle some shit I need to do so I can F5 the thread the last 10 minutes. At this rate, looks like Donut or Drake and I'm ok with either lynch at this point. If need be Purvis, we'll coordinate a switch to Drake so we can at least get to the L-1 min requirement. I will post again when I am back and ready.

Skull

  • Skull
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« Reply #232 on: October 16, 2010, 12:07:12 AM »
Fuck. Can't juggle this shit right now.

##Unvote: Kuruminut
##Vote: GODrake


I am THIS MOTHERFUCKING CLOSE to laying out some personal insults.

Sasword

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« Reply #233 on: October 16, 2010, 12:10:56 AM »
Holy shit what like 20 minutes to deadline when I finally get home.

Uh, ##Unvote ##Vote:Kuruminut I guess. Not Me Instead of Me, pretty much, can't elaborate at the moment since :time: and lack of a thread reread. Or once-read.

Kiva-la

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« Reply #234 on: October 16, 2010, 12:13:37 AM »
Ugh. I almost want to switch to Drake now anyway.

Den-O

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« Reply #235 on: October 16, 2010, 12:13:54 AM »
That meeting did so not need fucking two hours

##Unvote
##Vote: Drake


Rules will otherwise put us in No-Lynch, sorry.

Serela

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« Reply #236 on: October 16, 2010, 12:17:49 AM »
Moar Votecounts

Kuruminut (2): HoboverlordPurvis, GODrake
Violentia (2): GODrake, Slabes
TranceTheHime (1): Violentia
GODrake (4): Kuruminut, Easy Modo, Omega Wrathie, TranceTheHime

With 8 players, it takes 5 to lynch. Drake is at L-1.
There is about 13 minutes left.

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<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

Sasword

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« Reply #237 on: October 16, 2010, 12:18:47 AM »
Not if you all switch back to Donut because I voted him now so there's enough ;_;

...I kind of do deserve the lynch for disappearing if nothing else, though, i guess >_>;

Kiva-la

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« Reply #238 on: October 16, 2010, 12:20:56 AM »
##Vote: Drake

Forum loading times are fluctuating rapidly for me. Deadline about to hit, so hammering now.

Kiva-la

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« Reply #239 on: October 16, 2010, 12:21:23 AM »
##Unvote, ##Vote: Drake

Sorry.