Labyrinth of Touhou 6F

[CP3]

Currently around Meiling and Reimu 280ish.  Main problem lies after eating Giga Flare - if she does it too early, I can't mount a comeback, while if she saves it for after enough UNCs then only Meiling will survive it. She either has to use Exahaltio, Flame Blast and Napalm Flare a lot if she buffs up, or never use Giga Flare with over 67 ish percent buffs.

Utsuho will always do Giga Flare right after she falls under 4 million health. She starts with 11 million, so with this you can at least know when it's coming. She can recast it after, so when you see Giga Flare - keep your cool and AoE heal it, but do try to kill her fast. At that point, it's not a huge deal if you take a bit of risk and can't switch a DD out in time, as long as you have someone else in the backline who can finish the job. Out of the 3 times I faced her and won, I think I only had all characters alive in the end in one occassion.

If she decides to spam UNC though, like I said, not much you can do other than having high FIR/MYS affinities and pray that she gives you a break.

Slash Dive should be tanked easily by whoever you have in slot 1/2, but it's a good reason to keep the tanks decently healed. If she goes and nukes your healer on slot 4, then all you can do is nod and move on.

[NEETori]

So uh, how do I hax to fix characters?  I want to completely delevel Sanae, Sakuya, Eirin Ran, Yuyuko, Youmu, Iku, Rumia, Minoriko and reassign their level ups. 

ALSO:
Planning on doing a haxxor'd solo game, with increased SP and level gains, and the solo character gets three Machine God Lucifers or something.  Any ideas on who? 

[Ghaleon]

So uh, how do I hax to fix characters?  I want to completely delevel Sanae, Yuyuko, Youmu, Iku, Rumia, Minoriko and reassign their level ups. 

Pretty sure there's no easy way to delevel characters due to the hidden +0.03% bonus to all stats gained per level.

[NEETori]

Damn.  Well, it's not like I use Sanae, Yuyuko, Youmu and Rumia at all anymore, or Minoriko that often.

[Pesco]

You can delevel, it's just a heck of a lot of work.

1. Find a reference address. We'll use character level.
2. Prepare to put in a lot of the addresses manually. Below is their sequence:

Level
Exp pool
Level up rating
recovery rate
max hp
current hp
max sp
current sp
max tp
current tp
Att
Def
Mag
Mnd
Spd
Eva
Att growth
Def growth
Mag growth
Mnd growth
Spd growth
Eva growth
HP growth
SP growth
Att multiplier (this value is 100% base + levelups 3% + bonuses 2% + skp levelups 3% + items)
Def multiplier
Mag multiplier
Mnd multiplier
Spd multiplier
Eva multiplier
HP multiplier
SP multiplier
Fir aff
Cld aff
Wnd aff
Ntr aff
Mys aff
Spi aff
Psn res
Par res
Mut res
Dth res
Debuff res
hp level
sp level
tp level
Att level
Def level
Mag level
Mnd level
Spd level
Eva level
Fir level
Cld level
Wnd level
Ntr level
Mys level
Spi level
(address gap)
spell 1 sp cost (displayed only, you can't actually make their spells cheaper)
spell 2 sp cost
spell 3 sp cost
spell 4 sp cost
spell 5 sp cost
(address gap)
battle points
equip slot 1 item
equip slot 2 item
equip slot 3 item

3. To get to spell sp cost and battle points, use the formula below:

Battle points address - char level address = 1C8
Spell 1 sp cost address - char level address = 160

4. Use the wiki to reset their base stat values.

[Esoterica]

Easier method to deleveling:

1. Start a new game.  Save it somewhere.
2. Take the character file of the specific character(s) you want to reset from the new game and drop them in your actual save file.
3. Mess with exp values until you have enough exp to get them back to their previous level.

[Ghaleon]

Easier method to deleveling:

1. Start a new game.  Save it somewhere.
2. Take the character file of the specific character(s) you want to reset from the new game and drop them in your actual save file.
3. Mess with exp values until you have enough exp to get them back to their previous level.

I never even realized it had files for each character per save....

[Pesco]

My way allows for more customization :V

[NEETori]

Easier method to deleveling:

1. Start a new game.  Save it somewhere.
2. Take the character file of the specific character(s) you want to reset from the new game and drop them in your actual save file.
3. Mess with exp values until you have enough exp to get them back to their previous level.

Ah yess.  Now which are the character files?  XD

[Esoterica]

Ah yess.  Now which are the character files?  XD

C##.ndg files are characters.  Starts with Reimu as C00.ndg and goes in order with how the characters are listed on the wiki.

[NEETori]

I tried it and now the game isn't even running properly anymore D:

[Pesco]

Just delete the borked save folder entirely and put something back in its place.

[CP3]

Meiling 551, and my sanity's slowly going away...just 20-30 more levels...

[Ghaleon]

Meiling 551, and my sanity's slowly going away...just 20-30 more levels...

551 is exactly the level of my meiling when I beat winner on my last playthru, you should give it a go unless you want it easier >=)

[NEETori]

Need to regrind.  Again XD
Good thing Flan + Mystia + Nitori can tear apart 27f mobs like butter. 
And for crabs, we got Kaguya and if I feel like fielding her, Yuyu

[Thomas]

God damn I think my

Spoiler:

Maribel

fight is broken. I tried the strategy in the wiki (that is, summon minions, beat all minions but one, beat boss, beat last minion) and the "beat boss" part just was not working. After beating the first minions, I counted out 2 million damage (I even had poison on her the entire time, which I obviously didn't count) and she didn't die. So I hit her for about half a million more and still nothing.

At which point I beat the last minion, putting her in to overdrive mode and I got wiped.  :V

So is there something about this fight that the wiki isn't mentioning? It specifically says that she resets to 2 million HP in phase 2 and that she's only immortal before all minions are summoned.

[Ghaleon]

I haven't read the wiki strategies, but every time I tried to beat her with leaving minions alive, it went horribly wrong.. I suggest you kill em all first

[CP3]

God damn I think my

Spoiler:

Maribel

fight is broken. I tried the strategy in the wiki (that is, summon minions, beat all minions but one, beat boss, beat last minion) and the "beat boss" part just was not working. After beating the first minions, I counted out 2 million damage (I even had poison on her the entire time, which I obviously didn't count) and she didn't die. So I hit her for about half a million more and still nothing.

At which point I beat the last minion, putting her in to overdrive mode and I got wiped.  :V

So is there something about this fight that the wiki isn't mentioning? It specifically says that she resets to 2 million HP in phase 2 and that she's only immortal before all minions are summoned.

She heals for a lot while her minions are up, so ideally what you want to do is kill two minions (left and up), keep the right one (right from your view, meaning shredding amnesiari) PAR'd and DPS her a little. Kill it then DPS her and phase 3 should last shorter than if you didn't damage her at all. You won't be able to kill her with a minion up unless you're overleveled.

Yesterday I finally beat the WINNER at level 563. I saw your message after I had leveled to that, Ghaleon. Wasn't too bad, but I got somewhat lucky: he never used Medicine of Life, although he did pull out Magical Tempest and some other nasty stuff.

[Dr.Strafe]

I got a bit lucky in my Maribel fight, if I remember right. I had her paralyzed with a low meter whenever I killed off her 3 minions. Once she cast Overflowing Natural Power, I killed her before she got a chance to actually attack.

[RegalStar]

God damn I think my

Spoiler:

Maribel

fight is broken. I tried the strategy in the wiki (that is, summon minions, beat all minions but one, beat boss, beat last minion) and the "beat boss" part just was not working. After beating the first minions, I counted out 2 million damage (I even had poison on her the entire time, which I obviously didn't count) and she didn't die. So I hit her for about half a million more and still nothing.

At which point I beat the last minion, putting her in to overdrive mode and I got wiped.  :V

So is there something about this fight that the wiki isn't mentioning? It specifically says that she resets to 2 million HP in phase 2 and that she's only immortal before all minions are summoned.

Oh. Crap. I came up with that strategy because I didn't see anything about Maribel regenerating in the database, and when I tried it with an overlevelled team (for SP grinding) it worked the first time, so I thought it's all good and wrote all that crap up. I realized that the regeneration still existed on the second try, so I thought of going back to fix it, but I couldn't come up with very good strategy since my first time defeating Maribel at Reimu130 or so was basically more or less luckfest, so I tossed that to the back of my mind and eventually forgot about it.

Does anyone know if there's a more surefire way to do the last phase at about 120-130? From my experiences it's mostly just scramble around, hoping she doen't spam overflowing unnatural power or djinn storm too much before 2m damage is dealt.

EDIT: Yeah, I went ahead and rewrote that thing again since it's completely my fault. Still, if anyone have a better idea on how to approach the final phase other than level up or pray or both, go ahead. I certainly can't think of anything when your opponent covers basically everything an enemy can do with her moves and use them with no pattern at all.

[Esoterica]

My strat against Maribel was "powernuke her with Yuyuko until she runs out of SP, switch her out with a 100% mag buff, switch in other nukers  until Yuyu's back to full SP, then switch her back in and finish her and the summons off as fast as possible".

SFN was dealing 400k to the top summon, for reference.

[Thomas]

No weaknesses? Uses overpowered spells randomly? Sounds a lot like the first phase of the

Spoiler:

Rinnosuke

fight, which I also did really underleveled!

Although I guess I should start grinding again before I commit to another "won on the 200th attempt" boss fight.

[RegalStar]

Rinnosuke's 1st phase isn't that bad on the account that other than Rasetsu Fist, he doesn't have any good defense piercing attacks and he can't buff himself. With Maribel, she can buff herself easily, she's really fast, and she has hyper dimensional flying object which slaughters Tenshi if you thought you can 0-damage tank her. Also, 260k or whatever HP is a world of difference to 2m HP.

[Ghaleon]

I find that Maribel during her final phase actually shouldn't be THAT bad even if she buffs herself (If you keep your own def buffs up that is) unless she casts hyperdimensional flying object while buffed, that HURTS...But yeah, it seems to be a luck-based thing IMO if you want to beat her at a reasonable level without obliterating her before she can move (which I've never done, but haven't really tried to do either, not my idea of fun really). Granted, even without casting that during heavy buffs, it should get messy eventually. Provided you didn't screw up earlier portions of the fight, messy is acceptable later on >=).

As for cootiesuke. I find he uses Tai slash during his neutral form more often than he does in his other forms, and that sucker isn't fun if you aren't ready for it either. I mean if you have china and remi in front, or a combo of 2 other tanks with def buffs, it's no biggie, but it's really not something you can have casted on you at the lower level ranges if your second spot is someone who isn't considered "pretty tanky".

[NEETori]

Maribel's last form is when I busted out World Shaking Military Rule on Mari and Nitori, and then gunned her down with my best nukes in sequence. 

IMO: Maribel's Last Form < Rinnosuke's First/Last

Hyperdimension Flying Object rips Tenshi to ribbons unless she's fully buffed and has around 250 wind affinity.  Yes, it hits that hard, and for me, it killed her in one go at around 50% buffs, full buffs killed even Meiling (who took more damage, but sponged it with her health).  However, with some creative  gear (AKA, load up on the wind and spirit affinities for everyone who's going to eat a hit and debuff/paralysis/silence resistances for healers and stay-in attackers), smart usage of your own sources of paralysis and debuffs, her second and last forms go down fairly easy, as long as she doesn't Djinn Storm -> ONP -> HFO on you in that order. 

Rinnosuke's Iai Slash is evil, especially after a full buff from WSMR.  It can easily break through Tenshi or Meiling's massive defenses after buffs, and Start of Heavenly Demise after WSMR can deal some insane damage, especially if your buffs are running low.  Oh, and Rasetsu Fist makes me rage, as it's a guaranteed kill to anyone with less than 6k current health, and a potential kill with less than 6500ish.  And he kept sniping Tenshi with it.

[Thomas]

I did the Rinnosuke fight about 5-10 levels below recommended (one of my first 20 attempts got to his last form, and also grinding is the devil) and pretty much had to restart every time he decided to use "rasetsu fist on 2nd-3rd slot" or "START OF HEAVENLY DEMISE HOPE YOU HAVE +100 DEF +100 MND" more than twice without giving me time to recover, so I'm still a bit sore about it after I beat Yukari on my first try.

The Japanese wiki isn't helping much, but am I correct in assuming that Maribel has no physical multi-target attacks? I'm thinking if I can get a Tenshi/Reimu/Whoever/Patchouli lineup going then it shouldn't be too hard until I get hit by a djinn storm while I whittle at 2 million HP with my 50k silent selene.

[NEETori]

Yukari for being such a plot important boss was super easy.  Suwako did probably 90% of the damage for me by herself.  Minoriko did about 5% and Alice + Reisen combined the other 5.

Maribel herself has none, but beware of the composite Berserk, and once she buffs, even Patchy might have some trouble staying alive. 
I prefer quick nuke switching, but that's just me.

[Ghaleon]

Grr, yukari is Effing hard if you aren't glass cannon-built or nature nuking dammit. Honestly, if you think 18f is harder than 16f, you simply can't judge them fairly because your party is simply better tarred to handling 16f. If you do 16f naturally, you won't have renko's, you shouldn't know she is nor resistant, you won't know her HP count between phases, etc. I think too many people take this info for granted. Also, 18f.. People keep talking about his final phase's buff... WTF seriously. I always dps slower than other people, and I have yet to see him buff during th final phase once. Unlike other bosses, you know when his last stretch has begun. Just master spar+ 2 other big nukes and win. Honestly I can't help but call bs or over
Level to people who say they skip a Yukari phase, but somehow can't seem to nuke the same amount of HP 2 floors later for the 18t boss, who has absolutely both unpredictable after the first phase whatsoever.

[Kanoe]

Well first time going against Maribel, I just dpsed her down.  I did attempt to try and control one of the adds so I could nuke the boss a bit longer in safety.  But I could never get the cc or debuffs to last before Suwako or whoever gets killed.  So I just end up blasting her with all my glass cannons. 

Now for the boss rush, I was forced into a really long final phase (had only tanks and support left besides Rin).  The only way I managed to endure it was with Tenshi's slash.  Tenshi has a chance to remove buffs and this chance is rolled for each buff Maribel has up.  So there is a high chance that you will knock off a few of those 100%+ buffs.  Still it is somewhat based on luck.  I was djinn stormed numerous times, but I kept up Yukari's group buff up, Healed with China, and gradually did dps with Rin and Minoriko (i know, i was nuking with Minoriko). 

[Eliirae]

Some people just have lots of trouble with marathon fights, like Rinnosuke.

I never really found Yukari to be that hard, either.  Yes, I used Suwako, but she promptly got killed during the beginning of the fight; so much for that