Author Topic: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin ~ GAME OVER, WOLVES WIN (Read 77022 times)

Nobu · « **Reply #120 on:** September 10, 2010, 07:34:29 PM »

Ugh, phoneposting and making good Mafia posts seems to be impossible, especially when you're strapped for time, but I'll do what I can. Just a warning.

@Bard/UK: UK's tone has already made me balk a couple times so far this game, but Bard seems just 'srs bsnss as usual' and I haven't gotten the same attitude vibe UK is accusing him of. Please cut it out. Also, the whole "link me to every instance of blabla defense" repeat makes me twitch.

@huhwhat: I didn't have much to add to what had already been said about you, and what I pointed out is the only other thing that I thought odd about your previous posts that hadn't been mentioned yet.

Uh.. What else. I'd like to see a better explanation for Prody's Neo vote, and I agree with what Kefit said earlier regarding when to press him about derp. As of now, it's all null tells, and reading into his play as being either clever or derpy scum is WIFOM (and if I'm using the term wrong here, just stupid to do at this point). Huhwhat still seems the best case at the moment here, though switching to Neo for LAL reasons is tempting at this point.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #121 on:** September 10, 2010, 07:35:43 PM »

Also UK, you never answered me about how I was rolefishing :x

Prody · « **Reply #122 on:** September 10, 2010, 07:38:08 PM »

At this moment, it IS the most crucial time to vote me. Simply because my win condition is:

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Your goal is to discover the inhuman beasts that are hiding in the Village.
You win when all threats to the Village and your love have been eliminated.

And note that when one lover dies, the other will follow. I'll be playing martyr here, and unless I'm somehow misunderstanding that win condition, town will benefit from it.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #123 on:** September 10, 2010, 07:40:49 PM »

Nothing wrong with it, why do you assume I disagree

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I'm merely curious if you knew WHY you were looking there.

Hmm...I'm getting better vibes from HW now, as this continues, to be honest.

##Unvote
##Vote Neo Serela
L-FuckifIknow, 4? 5? 11?

@Nobu: Whether it makes you twitch or not, I want the information. And I'm not doing it to be petty, it gives me insight into what Bard is looking at. So, I'll thank you to leave Bard to it

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Also, was your commentary REALLY necessary? I said I'd back off, so good job reopening things that are closed. Do you enjoy sticking your nose where it isn't wanted? And I'm sure you'll complain about that too.

Rest of your post is boring.

Anyway, HW, the way you brought it up implies you're looking for it. The what if she does, in particular, felt weird. Regardless, your later posts don't give me any weird vibes, as I said. I'm willing to chance Serela.

Prody cut
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WHAT? First, of all, you BETTER not have quoted that.
SECOND of all, did you even THINK to ask clarification from Sakana? It QUITE OBVIOUSLY means that you win when BOTH your lover is alive and the town has won! NOT when their dead!

Ach!

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #124 on:** September 10, 2010, 07:44:00 PM »

If my commentary to Prody is "out of line", I'm sorry, but seriously, quoting the win con was silly on so many levels.

Prody · « **Reply #125 on:** September 10, 2010, 07:47:13 PM »

My eyes immediately zoomed to "...your love has been eliminated". Elaborate further, please.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #126 on:** September 10, 2010, 07:48:55 PM »

... Uh, you win when threats to the town and threats to the other lover have been eliminated, not when the your lover and threats to the town have been eliminated.

Also, turns out I was wrong about your role, so yeah that doesn't really excuse you not answering my question earlier, though I suppose it doesn't matter too much now.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #127 on:** September 10, 2010, 07:50:13 PM »

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You win when all threats to the Village and your love have been eliminated.

While I can see where the language COULD be interpreted that way, one would at LEAST assume you'd question it because of what is the general lover win con.

That said, if you read the whole sentence as "You win when all threats to the Village as well as your lover have been eliminated", the intent becomes clear.
Bold is what you're trying to eliminate. Italics are what is being threatened. Underline is what I added for clarity.

Regardless, you might as well ask Sakana for clarification assuming you don't get modkilled for quoting part of your role PM.

Chaore · « **Reply #128 on:** September 10, 2010, 08:00:20 PM »

@UK: I assume you're going with Neo now based on what Bard said, to clarify?

@Prody: you are a million times worse than zentillion just an fyi

Serela · « **Reply #129 on:** September 10, 2010, 08:27:35 PM »

Mmkay, reading the topic. I wasn't posting yesterday because I kept typing a post, looking at it, thinking it was stupid and not really advancing out of lolRVS at all, and deciding it was ultimately better to delete it and talk when I actually, like, have something worth saying.

Although, I forgot that then there's the 16~ hour period where I sleep and then go to school and generally don't have computer access (Unless a miracle happens and I manage to awaken early enough to post before school, and I'm not in the class with computers anymore), which suddenly makes "I'll wait out RVS a bit" to "lol not posting for 30+ hours". Which I do agree makes me look kinda suck. However, when people start voting lurkers on D1, isn't there usually like... everyone else going "LAL doesn't work that way, what are you doing, wait till D2"? Ehh, whatever, I'd probably be voting me atm if I were you people.

Rereading, my post on analyzing everyone shall come shortly~

Nobu · « **Reply #130 on:** September 10, 2010, 08:55:11 PM »

UK, it became my problem as soon as it started affecting -my- quality of game. So I'll stick my nose where I damn well please, thank you very much.

Kefit · « **Reply #131 on:** September 10, 2010, 09:18:24 PM »

I'm really not impressed with the case on Neo. It's a LAL case, which isn't appropriate on D1 in a medium to large sized game like this. We know that the chances of hitting scum D1 are fairly low, so it's more important that we be able to glean information from the lynch itself. Lynching for LAL doesn't allow us to do that right now. First, the lynch victim will have made little to no contributions that can be analyzed in light of his flipped alignment. Second, the members of the vote train upon him can all hide behind a LAL policy. LAL should be reserved for later days as a safety policy and deterrent.

The Bard vs UK cat fight that occurred shortly after my previous post makes me feel pretty good about both of their towniness, despite both of them now placing their votes on Neo.

re Prody: What the hell? This is setting off my derptown sirens, but I'd like to wait until either he gets clarification from Sakana, or Sakana takes action for copy and pasting the role PM, before I think about this more.

Keeping my vote on huh what. I'm not impressed with his response to his wagon here, as he posted an awful lot while actually saying very little. His vote for Nobu is not a particularly bad vote in terms of target, but his reasoning is weak ("it feel[s] sorta like he's trying to trip me up over small things"). Also, at this stage of d1 voting, this comes off as a safety vote placed on a target with no prior votes and thus won't indicate much about huh what's alignment in the days to come.

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #132 on:** September 10, 2010, 09:26:39 PM »

At cousin's house, not really tremendously focused on the game, so only responding to a couple of things. Proper read of happenings will come later.

HW: If by "a bunch of jokeposts" you mean "one jokepost", then, uh, okay. They also came before he questioned the usefulness of jokeposting but that's probably just a semantics argument.

Chaore: What do you mean by "unusual", and what makes it a bad unusual as opposed to a good or neutral unusual? I'm also not sure I agree with "it" being a "good reason", but I must admit I don't know what "it" refers to.

Suwako Moriya · « **Reply #133 on:** September 10, 2010, 09:27:09 PM »

(And yes this is Kilga I don't like logging into the admin account when I'm not at home.)

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #134 on:** September 10, 2010, 09:30:18 PM »

That's nice Nobu. Too bad you ignored the part where I said I was backing it off, hence why your comment, once again, was unnecessary.

Whatever, I'm here to play mafia, not bicker about attitudes. Since you apparently have time to post, do you have anything mafia related to add, dearest Nobu?

Looking forward to Serela's post. I'm going with LAL because I don't feel HW is as scummy as I initially thought.

@Chaore: Yes, I don't like the whole avoiding RVS and then not posting forever after thing.

Serela · « **Reply #135 on:** September 10, 2010, 09:36:44 PM »

Twins magically appear at the worst possible times.

My post will be a little delayed, but hopefully within a few hours from now. My sister is supposedly coming home to take over soon, but only "supposedly".

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #136 on:** September 10, 2010, 09:43:09 PM »

What's great is we only have a "few hours" left in the day.

How many is a few hours, Serela? Are you certain you'll be posting before deadline?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #137 on:** September 10, 2010, 09:46:32 PM »

Quote from: UncertainKitten on September 10, 2010, 09:43:09 PM

What's great is we only have a "few hours" left in the day.

Just saying that while the day is about to end, four people (Affinity, Zakeri, Serela and Choja) still haven't really contributed. Bah, I don't like 48-hour d1.

What are the odds of an extension?

Serela · « **Reply #138 on:** September 10, 2010, 10:03:33 PM »

Quote from: UncertainKitten on September 10, 2010, 09:43:09 PM

What's great is we only have a "few hours" left in the day.

How many is a few hours, Serela? Are you certain you'll be posting before deadline?

There's like, 6~8 hours left, right?

Yes, I should definitely be posting before deadline. My sister also got home recently, so it'll probably be sooner rather then later.

I'd agree with an extension, there are people who've done even less then I have so far. Normally I think 48 hour d1 is fine due to lol d1 but, yeah, this isn't working out.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #139 on:** September 10, 2010, 10:05:54 PM »

Oh, hey, good, Sakana uses my rule.

##Vote Extension

You can majority vote for a deadline extension.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #140 on:** September 10, 2010, 10:06:58 PM »

##Vote Extension

Serela · « **Reply #141 on:** September 10, 2010, 10:17:35 PM »

##Vote:Extension

starting reread again and, god willing, shall actually get to FINISH this time

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #142 on:** September 10, 2010, 10:24:13 PM »

Back, rereading. Kneejerk reaction to extension option is that I won't be voting for it (not a fan of making Day 1, of all days, even longer) but if it passes then I'll roll with it.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #143 on:** September 10, 2010, 10:27:13 PM »

Well, I have two reasons for supporting the extension. One, people need to get their asses in here. Two, D1 is where I figure out who's scum later in the game. The more D1 there is to analyze, the better I think I do.

To a reasonable level, of course. an MS D1 has a bad habit of overstaying it's welcome.

Do you think it ok for our tie breaker to not have posted at all for 87.5% of D1?

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #144 on:** September 10, 2010, 10:56:12 PM »

Okay.

Happiest with Bard so far (surprise!), he has been asking good questions and providing good opinions and generally behaving in a way I like. Also willing to bet on Prody being town (like most other people apparently), I see nothing in his strange behavior that I can point to and go "this has scummy intent". I would also think ScumPrody would have buddies wrangling him in. BUT THAT'S WIFOM no it isn't MotK has too much of a history of lynching for bad play for it to be worth the risk and scum would have every tactical reason to make sure Prody doesn't make a spectacle of himself. (Also the whole roleclaim shenangians.)

Liking Kefit for the time being because his wordswordswords have done enough to assuage me from fears of him simply being a lurker hopping onto an easy bandwagon. Not a terribly strong feeling, but it's there.

Wary around Chaore for claiming I had "a worse case" than Kefit to the point that I am second on his list without him actually telling me why it's bad. I can't really defend against a case on me if I don't know what it is.

Frowny face at all the people using login times against other players. I thought we had moved past this. :|

Leaving vote on huh what, his response to my vote for him seemed to detail events that, from my point of view, were not the events that actually happened.

wrt attitutes of other users, since the main issues seem to have run their course, I generally advise people to not go back and point at OMG YOU WERE BEING A JERK unless it's actually an important part of a case. Bringing it up just to antagonize accomplishes nothing but pissing more people off. If you have issues with other players, take them up with the mods. I trust Sakana's and Serp's judgments. This is directed at everyone, not any handful of users in particular.

Cut by UK: I myself use D1 less and less as the game goes on, so I'm not terribly concerned Affinity happened to lurk his way through most of it even given his public role, and if his tiebreaker vote is for crappy reasons he'll get called on them. If the extension happens, though, then it happens.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #145 on:** September 10, 2010, 11:02:08 PM »

I don't see why using login times is a bad thing. We're agreed lurking is bad, right? And that lurking while being aware of the thread is worse since it implies caginess, right?

Polaris · « **Reply #146 on:** September 10, 2010, 11:07:42 PM »

aaaaggh back from school I totally feel rushed in having to make a post

##Unvote for now since while Prody is being really lame, it does feel like newbtown lameness instead of scummy lameness, and there's the PMquoting thing so I'll second Kefit's thing about getting some input from Sakana about it. (also I don't want to lynch new players on day 1 that would be lame D: )

Something I find funny is that Serela still hasn't unvoted from his jokevote on huhwhat, though that's probably because he's extreme derp :V :V :V

uhh uhh uhh ##Vote Extension because there are only six hours left and I really do feel rushed, and while I'll probably be able to get something in before the deadline, I'll probably have something of better quality if I, well, don't feel rushed (and tomorrow's the weekend which gives me a lot more time than if I had school, too) Any vote I make at this point will probably be just based on instinct/personal bias and that's a stupid reason so yeah.

Nat Tea · « **Reply #147 on:** September 10, 2010, 11:19:22 PM »

Caught up, or at least a bit.

@UncertainKitten:
Well, I'm surprised due to the fact that the last time that I was in a game, I... kind of got in an accident with huh what. NeoSerela did point out that huh what didn't jokevote me instantly, but maybe it's just to delay my NK or to lynch me another time. I probably shouldn't hold previous sentiments against him into thinking he's scum, but right now, the post about him commenting on his wagon has a large amount of ambiguities, a lot of, say, uncertainty. That right there just rubs me the wrong way.

Serela · « **Reply #148 on:** September 10, 2010, 11:23:59 PM »

Prody is Zent 2.0. All I have to say on that matter.

Huhwhat... I don't really think he looks as bad as some people seem to think, but then again it's only a D1 case. I wouldn't terribly mind him being lynched, but I'd definitely like to vote someone else.

Nobu! The only contribution I really see from you is jumping on HW, and saying you're tempted to vote me for LAL. ha ha old chap LAL on D1. Also, we're the two non-you and non-lolprody wagons that have been here today. So... yeah. I see scummy intent there. You look worse then huhwhat to me, at the very least.

##Unvote, ##Vote:Nobu

I'd LOVE to see contribution from Affinity, Zakeri, and Choja.

Chojaninja:...there's another post coming very soon where you say more stuff, right? Also, please elaborate about what's bad with HW's post commenting on the wagon on him.

Chaore · « **Reply #149 on:** September 10, 2010, 11:26:23 PM »

@Kilga: I consider it bad on basis that I don't see why HW is scum because he asked why Nobu was doing something (Even if it is a stupid thing to ask) and also a misrep in he didn't criticize Nobu so much as point out on why he didn't think it was a better alternative to lurking, which included that he thought it made Chaff, trying to convince Nobu of his opinion that lurking was better than goofing off in the thread. It also wasn't really large enough to be an argument, though that's debatable I suppose. So It's unconvincing and misleading in one package, thus bad. This is why I find it a worse case than a fairly poor 'He jumped on an easy seeming wagon'.