Author Topic: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin ~ GAME OVER, WOLVES WIN  (Read 39526 times)

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #390 on: September 18, 2010, 04:10:28 AM »
wellp, as promised

##Unvote, ##Vote NeoSerela

L-1.


Dead Princess Sakana

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #391 on: September 18, 2010, 05:23:21 AM »
VOTECOUNT

NeoSerela ( 3 )L - 1: Yamaneko, Bardiche, Kefit, UncertainKitten
Kefit ( 1 ): Affinity, NeoSerela, UncertainKitten
UncertainKitten ( 1.5 ): Affinity
Chaore ( 1 ): Bardiche

Not voting:Chaore

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. About 24 hours left.

Kilgamayan

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #392 on: September 18, 2010, 05:43:22 AM »
Okay.

Affinity I'm still fine with for previously cited reasons, UK I'm fine with given the claim (though I wouldn't suggest citing game balance as a reason for anything, Sakana himself said this game was likely to be unbalanced). I have some small misgivings toward giving UK a free pass to the end of the game but they're founded in some pretty crazy Xanatos theories and thus are unlikely to be worth pursuing.

The Bard/Chaore slapfight I tire of reading. It actually gutjerks me toward thinking town/town, as I see similarities to the Smithers/Axem Rangers and Hazel/Almaz slapfights from over at the DL, both of which were town/town. If I had to lean one way or the other on this one I would probably lean proBard simply because I found myself agreeing with him more often, but man.

Kefit is still at the bottom of my list. Since people had been calling Chaore on leaving his Day 2 vote somewhere useless, I decided to go back and look at the vote counts to see if anything else stood out. A bit of puttering around and I came across this little gem, from Kefit's last Day 2 post.

Polaris needs to go. He's hasn't done a damn thing today aside from making this short promise to deliver content that has not been fulfilled. Even Choja has at least made his opinion known and placed a vote today. Barring something unexpected, my vote on Polaris will not change today unless Polaris posts real content of some kind AND places a vote.

This is a wonderful display of trying to look like one is doing something while actually doing nothing.

- People who are doing absolutely nothing are exactly the kind of people not to vote for, because if they are doing nothing they will be dealt with by the mod.
- "My vote on Polaris will not change today unless Polaris posts real content of some kind AND places a vote" is an easy set-up for a vote-shift-delaying tactic. Does coming in and posting something even halfway decent really absolve all previous lurker charges? No, it doesn't. (In before it is thrown at me that I held a similar "make a case" philosophy regarding Nobu, response is that case on Nobu was because his cases were bad, not because he was lurking.) Compounding the point that lazy LAL is easy to hide behind to avoid doing anything meaningful, the post linked in that quote is spent mostly focused on Polaris and Polaris-related circumstances. Not many opinions on other people. It's like LOOK AT ALL THIS CONTENT except the content is four or five paragraphs spent rehashing why this one guy that's more likely to be modkilled than lynched needs votes. Really, really lazy.

Consider my fakevote on Kefit at this juncture. No real desire to pull off Serela, though, and grow weary of people going DON'T PUT THE SCUM IN A SELF-HAMMER POSITION as if it's a universal rule that such a thing is bad. Ask bofh or Roukan some time about a fabled Meme Mafia and they will gladly regale you with tales of why town sitting around for 70 hours with their thumbs up their asses while a public scum dances a little jig is not always good for town.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

Affinity

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #393 on: September 18, 2010, 04:29:16 PM »
@UK: I haven't dropped the case on Kefit at all; but I was just rather surprised at his reply post being quite all-encompassing with some originality and interesting points, although as I raised, I still don't agree with the way he cleared Nobu and Bardiche in that post.  I also don't like his D1 and D2 posts since they seem to make him a question mark on the previous days.  Lastly, however, I have to agree with you that the attack on you for unvoting Serela is quite bad since Kefit unvoted himself too.  I personally think that the post was a little hit-and-miss; a bad combination in Mafia.  Just wanted to put my vote to something more useful, and with your roleclaim and adequate defense, I suppose it doesn't belong anymore (though I feel the retort you made was a little overly fierce)

##Unvote

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I don't understand the Bard/Chaore thing today.  I also don't know why Bardiche is so shocked by Serela's actions; isn't that the 'too scummy to be scum' issue you're trying to argue against the entire game?  Why lynch Chaore ahead of him?

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #394 on: September 18, 2010, 08:12:15 PM »
VOTECOUNT

NeoSerela ( 3 )L - 1: Yamaneko, Bardiche, Kefit, UncertainKitten
Kefit ( 1 ): Affinity, NeoSerela, UncertainKitten
UncertainKitten ( 1.5 ): Affinity
Chaore ( 1 ): Bardiche

Not voting:Chaore, Affinity

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. About 10 hours left

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #395 on: September 18, 2010, 08:54:07 PM »
So yeah, we have 10 hours. Might wanna get on voting Serela, guys.


Serela

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #396 on: September 18, 2010, 08:58:59 PM »
Well, uh, I AM at L-1 already, with no one else even close, and even if no one hammered I'll be deadline lynched, sooo... don't really see whole lot of point in your post UK, unless you simply want me hammered to end the day now.

I could do that, if that's what you meant. Days close enough to over and there isn't a lot of discussion happening (not that there isn't ANY, but)
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Dead Princess Sakana

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #397 on: September 18, 2010, 09:01:52 PM »
I'm going to bed in a few minutes though, so the night wouldn't start until I wake up tomorrow anyway, even if you ended the day now. Take your time :V

Bardiche

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #398 on: September 18, 2010, 09:08:15 PM »
Okay, then.

##UNVOTE

Affinity: it's more that it's incomprehensible to me what the possible gains could ever be and it strikes me as the ultimate form of derp. You are right, though: that alone should not excuse all the scummy things done.

Declaring intent to hammer in five minutes.

Kefit

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #399 on: September 18, 2010, 09:08:48 PM »
- People who are doing absolutely nothing are exactly the kind of people not to vote for, because if they are doing nothing they will be dealt with by the mod.

I was afraid that Polaris would escape the modkill, since he had made a post (albeit an excessively worthless one) in accordance with the rule. My understanding of the modkill rule is that it is to get rid of people who have completely disappeared from the internets, rather than to get rid of lurkers, since lurking is considered a valid strategy in some circles I've read about (though a poor one in an environment unfriendly to lurkers).

re NobuKilga end of d2 stuff: I'm actually not too familiar with the situation that Nobu went through, as Sakana has handled it in a fairly discreet manner. I assumed that since Nobu's vote was still counted at the end of d2, that Nobu was still considered an active player and capable of participation at that point in time. Instead it sounds like he was rendered incapable of posting shortly after he posted his case on Neo. This certainly makes him harder to read, but I appreciate the consistency of his stance on Neo despite the change of real life players, and the manner in which NobuKilga today has carefully considered and commented upon most cases that have been presented today. So still feeling good here, even if I was mistaken in my earlier reasoning.

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Lastly, however, I have to agree with you that the attack on you for unvoting Serela is quite bad since Kefit unvoted himself too.

Eh? I'm fairly sure I never unvoted Neo, largely because my vote was never on him in the first place. Please take a bit more care in reading my posts before slinging mud at me.

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Chaore has failed to impress today.

Other than Kefit- UK still kind of holds from Zak coming up scum, so combined with continued pressure on Neo she's looking pretty town. Nobu I removed above because I frankly want to get more of a read from Kilga's next posts, as his D2 while good was also kind of cut short by whatever sakana did. Affinity is thinking along my lines of thought which I like, but there's something about that in that I've come up wrong currently.

These are the only words Chaore has had to say on any of the remaining non-Bard players, aside from a brief attack on myself. And nothing is really being said here aside from a desire to followup on NobuKilga after more posts were made (hasn't happened) and a completely unsuppoerted hunch that something is "wrong" with Affinity despite the fact that he likes what Affinity has to say. There's no actual scumhunting going on here, and no thought processes that are careful or cautious enough to have been made by a townie. His continued tunnel vision on Bard in subsequent posts takes a strange, simultaneously offensive and defensive posture in the form of attemping to call out Bard on misreps pertaining to Chaore himself*. It's much easier to twist words around to form a poor accusation of misrepresentation than it is to find real instances of scummy play. Not to say that misreps aren't at least anti-town, but the misreps cited by Chaore haven't been impressive in the slightest.

Yes, Chaore looked the worst to me earlier today and has done nothing to help his case. Consider my fakevote for the day on Chaore.

* Yes, I know it looks weird for me to call people out on tunnel vision, the difference is that I've expanded my thoughts to other players whereas others have as of yet declined to do so.

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Ironically, despite my stance on Chaore, he did post one tidbit that got me thinking:

@Bard: Going to make content not just on the assured lynch?

Bard has done very little today aside from sparring with Chaore and posting lots of waffling words regarding the Neo case. These words take up space but don't really do anything but give credence to conspiracy theories, which is decidedly anti-town at this stage of the game. I certainly cannot blame Bard for defending himself from Chaore's attack, but this defense should not be in lieu of his thoughts on other players.

I liked Bard a lot earlier today, but I find these issues genuinely disconcerting and no longer smile upon him as much. The purpose of prolonging this day seems to have been to force everyone to make their thoughts known, to put something on the table that can't be taken back once the final days come about. At this point in time I feel that Bard is shirking this responsibility.

Kefit

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #400 on: September 18, 2010, 09:15:17 PM »
Declaring intent to hammer in five minutes.

Woah, talk about nice timing - I was starting to get concerned that day would end before I finished writing up my post above. But more importantly, I seem to have stilfed Bard's attempt to end the day without really saying much himself.

I have no problem with you hammering, Bard - so long as you share your thoughts on the wider playerbase before you do so.

Bardiche

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #401 on: September 18, 2010, 09:25:41 PM »
You haven't stifled much. I already shared my thoughts on everyone earlier.

To recap:
I said earlier that UK and Kilga are among my favourites for town; this continues to hold true.

I remarked you had low activity but there was content in your posts; I've yet seen little reason to declare this content suspect.

I've pointed at Chaore's tunnel vision and his shady dealings and find this appropriate for anything with regards to him.

The only person I can have conceivably missed in the day is Affinity, of who I have minor suspicions but I have never elaborated on them. I'll touch on this curious vote near the end of Day 2 on Polaris. I call it weird, because earlier he condemned Kefit and I for the "easy and obvious" cases, a fact to which he himselves becomes guilty later on in his very next post. Particularly, he declares Polaris an easy case, but this does not stop him from pursuing it himself late D2 in lieu of a Serela lynch.

Does this adequately satisfy you?

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #402 on: September 18, 2010, 09:34:53 PM »
Tbh, considering Sakana won't be here till around deadline to post results anyway, I don't see a whole lot of point in hammering right away (if at all). The only difference is no one will be allowed to talk, you'll still all get my flip of Village Healer at about the same time.
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Kefit

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #403 on: September 18, 2010, 10:04:35 PM »
Does this adequately satisfy you?

Not entirely. Your stance on UK and Kilga seems to be a reference to this D2 post, which doesn't contain much in the way of analysis on the two and is not directly pertinent to the current game state (especially since we now deal with NobuKilga instead of OldKilga). I've pored over your posts today several times, and I don't think I missed any substantial analysis of UK and NobuKilga. If I have, then simply provide me with a link and I will withdraw this attack.

Bardiche

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #404 on: September 18, 2010, 10:19:31 PM »
I fail to see the need to provide "substantial analysis". UK had a bad Day1 as far as I am concerned, but has since redeemed herself by being inquisitive and pursuing cases. I feel no desire to submit a case on her.

Similarly, Kilga's actions have given me no cause for concern. I am aware this is NobuKilga now, but have not seen anything in his latest posts that alarms in the slightest. He agrees with me an awful lot, but that seems little cause of concern right presently.

I am not in the habit of extensive analysis on people I have good feelings over. I believe I am claim to consistently not talk much about people that strike me in a positive light. How is this scummy?

Bardiche

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #405 on: September 18, 2010, 10:23:21 PM »
EBWOP: pursuing coherent cases*, of course, for UK.

All this may change if I were to see something suspect in later posts, for both of them, which will cause me to review their posts in different light, hence why I think analysis of positive people is silly.

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #406 on: September 18, 2010, 10:26:19 PM »
Actually, I didn't realize that you could be deadline lynched. Regardless, a full wagon is better in general.

And bad D1 my ass. Caught scum right in the waning hours >=[!

Anyway, Kefit hasn't bothered to defend himself against being scum, so that's a thing. Nor has he said anything revising his stance on me, so that's also a thing. Can't say I'm impressed.


Bardiche

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #407 on: September 18, 2010, 10:29:17 PM »
Everyone can be lucky. :V

Kefit

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #408 on: September 18, 2010, 10:42:03 PM »
Bard: That's better, yes, though as we get later in the game and the margin of error becomes smaller I question the logic of declining to provide substantive analysis on people you view positively. This positive view has to come from somewhere, right?

I'm satisfied enough to see no point in dragging this out any further, and moreover have to leave in a few minutes for the majority of the rest of the weekend. I have no problem with a hammer now.

Cut by UK: My thoughts on you haven't changed an awful lot. I'm inclined to believe your roleclaim since it's against public scum, but at the same time I don't like that you conveniently succumbed to Neo's roleclaim baiting when it wasn't at all necessary. So you win some, you lose some, and you end up in about the same place in my mind.

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #409 on: September 18, 2010, 10:43:32 PM »
Wasn't luck, Bard ;).

There's also the fact I started the Serela wagon.

@Kefit: Yeah, so obviously the complete and utter ripping apart I gave your case due to it's lack of factual basis doesn't matter at all, amirite?


Bardiche

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #410 on: September 18, 2010, 10:53:46 PM »
Alright, so I'll end the day there.

##VOTE: NeoSerela

And that is hammer, folks. It would probably be proper now not to start talking or something. We'll see what the morrow brings.

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #411 on: September 19, 2010, 07:26:03 AM »
~ Day 3 End~

"Hmm, a clear decision this time, eh? And I must say, the circumstances that led to it are quite... interesting."
The Stranger smirked.
A while later, NeoSerela's body dangled from the tree.
But nothing happened.
"Huh, not the right one either, eh?"
He noticed a little notebook sticking out from the bodies' pockets and went over to retrieve it.
For a moment, he chuckled.
Then he read out the book's title, waiting for the sound of heads meeting walls or palms conncting to faces that would inevitably come in a moment.
"... 'The 101 of surgery, herbs and curing - How to be a Healer, Part I' "

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NeoSerela, Village Healer, has been lynched by majority.

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You are the Village Healer.
At night, you can use your mystic powers to ##protect a single target, including yourself, from the Wolves' fangs.
However, you can not protect the same target on two consecutive nights.

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It is now Night 3. You have 24 hours to send in Night Actions.

Dead Princess Sakana

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - N3
« Reply #412 on: September 20, 2010, 06:59:39 AM »
"Huh, you again?"
The Stranger looked down at the corpse.
"Someone really doesn't like you, eh? Ah well, this time, I'll let you rest for good."
He dragged out the body to the open grave he had prepared and buried it.
As he finished, a small wooden cross was left on the freshly filled hole, reading: 'Yamaneko no Naku Roda ni. The body that died twice.'

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Yamaneko no Naku Roda ni, Vanilla Villager, has died Night 3.

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It is now Day 4. The Village is in a Pseudo-LyLo situation, as it has been defined in the rules. You have 120 hours to decide on a lynch.

WIth 5 left alive, three votes are rquired to lynch.

Also, I would like everyone to take care to keep discussion and arguments civil. I've been receiving some complaints about certain things that will need addressing and discussion later, I'm afraid.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2010, 07:14:06 AM by Moe Moe Sakatchouli »

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - N3
« Reply #413 on: September 20, 2010, 07:01:54 AM »
The NK so nice they did it twice~
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

Bardiche

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin ~ D4 - Pseudo-LyLo
« Reply #414 on: September 20, 2010, 08:42:14 AM »
Welp. I guess this means we'd best not vote until we're sure, because if there's two scum it means they can quicklynch if we select a wrong target, and I'd rather not lose the day to the night shenanigans for luck!

This means the brunt of my attention is on Affinity for explaining what I talked about late D3, namely the curious vote. Other people I'm looking at are Kefit and Chaore, with Chaore winning over Kefit in my mind right now due to absolute fixation on me and, well, never saying anything about the NeoSerela stuff except acting as though she's a guaranteed lynch.

This may change on rereading Kefit, which I must get on today it looks like because welp, we're running low.

On second thought, it is potentially LYLO. I may have to reconsider my staunch support of UK's townieness as well.

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin ~ D4 - Pseudo-LyLo
« Reply #415 on: September 20, 2010, 01:26:50 PM »
It being pseudo lylo, I agree we shouldn't vote yet.

I also want to toss massclaim out there. I...sorta support it but am not sure if it's the wisest move yet. Since it's PSEUDO lylo that implies there's still a role out there that can save us.

Regardless...hmm...

Well, ok, I'm still pretty sure on Kefit. I don't think much of my case on him was based on Serela.

The other scum, assuming three...hmm...

Well, ok, here's the thing. The only person I feel good about at this point is Affinity, and even that's fading for obvious reasons. Chaore still bugs me, and Bard bugs me for his little game yesterday. I don't see how town could have predicted ANY townie doing anything so utterly STUPID. It feels almost like scum who knew the alignment of the player in question trying to get unlikely town cred off them. The problem is...that's kinda farfetched...

Hmm...so, to start, I guess I'll ask how you at all concluded that Serela was making an incredibly dumb gambit, Bard.

(Also, how embarassing about the Serela wagon comment I made ^-^;)


Bardiche

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin ~ D4 - Pseudo-LyLo
« Reply #416 on: September 20, 2010, 02:52:28 PM »
I didn't conclude it. I only had a warm fuzzy feeling that caused me to panic. In the end I took responsibility and even hammered her; I supported her lynch and do not think for even a moment that my panic attack would endear me to anyone. I'll admit it looked wishywashy and therefore scummy, but I maintain that I had difficulty seeing profit on either side for such actions.

I'd find claiming credit for starting the wagon on obvScum also to be a bit weird anyway. Even though obvScum turned out to be town.

On roleclaims, for now, I think abstaining from claiming for a few hours is fine. There are some role-related mysteries that we should tackle definitely, but now is not the time until we've hashed out primary suspects.

I'll get on that when I return. Four people, two of whom are scum. Statistically, even if I vote blindly, there's a 50% chance I nail scum. I admit to some optimism here. Currently still looking strongest at Affinity, then at Chaore. Kefit after, UK comes in last, but... nah, WIFOM.

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin ~ D4 - Pseudo-LyLo
« Reply #417 on: September 20, 2010, 03:05:55 PM »
Well, the 50% chance is nice, and I think that we can at least lynch scum today if we lynch Kefit ;).

More seriously though, do you think I should full claim yet? I think it'll help with everyone's choices.

Anyway, going to say now my voting preference list is:
Kefit
Chaore
Bard
Affinity

Not sure what to make of your answer, Bard. I can see it, but it still just looks plain weird.

Anyway, other people need to show up so they can list suspects and weigh in on massclaim.


Affinity

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin ~ D4 - Pseudo-LyLo
« Reply #418 on: September 20, 2010, 03:45:38 PM »
I will just say that regarding the Kefit vote on Polaris, I was not satisfied at it being the only case that Kefit made and him sticking it above and below various other easy targets for rather easy reasons (e.g no vote is more scummy than fluffy vote but that in itself sounded too convenient).  Voting Polaris itself wasn't bad; it was more the lack of anything lasting Kefit had raised than anything else that voting for Polaris only made worse (e.g Kefit looked as if he was just pretending to scumhunt with that).

With Serela flipping town (geh), I have to redo everything now.  UK seems a little bit more interesting now.  Bard and Kefit have very little currency now (everyone Bard talked about in depth except Chaore).  Chaore is a question mark and an enigma.  Not very good...  My guess is on Kefit now for partially helpful but rather shoddy opinions stated yesterday, but that will take tomorrow to flesh out.

Kefit

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin ~ D4 - Pseudo-LyLo
« Reply #419 on: September 20, 2010, 09:08:40 PM »
Re Massclaim: Remember, scum have a kill tonight, and probably a roleblock as well. That's almost certainly enough to stop whatever role is capable of saving town, presuming scum knows what said role is. Thus, I see three options at this point:

1) No massclaim whatsoever. Less information for everyone. Probably smallest chance of catching scum today due to less info,  but largest chance of town being saved tonight and moving on to d5 anyway.

2) Massclaim today, but the role capable of saving town either keeps quiet about his role entirely, or merely remains silent on the aspect of the role that could save town in the case of a mislynch. This seems to give the best of both worlds (lots of info for scumhunting today + preserving chance to rescue town), but at the cost of forcing a townie to partially lie about a roleclaim today and then contradict himself tomorrow. Furthermore, since adopting this plan implicitly excuses at least one player from fake claiming, scum would be free to change their claims tomorrow and try and take credit. Plus, looking at the Neo situation, I think it's easy to conclude that false claiming simply is not in town's best interests. Basically, this will muck up d5 whether or not we catch scum today.

3) Full massclaim. Best chances of catching scum today. d5 will be smoothest, but will only exist if town doesn't mislynch and lose here.

Between these three options, I support #3. I value additional information at this juncture more highly than I value the possibility of town being saved tonight with an unknown probability of success. I cannot support plan #2, both on basic principles of Mafia and on the practical concerns described above. Of course, there may be other options available for handling this, and I'm all ears to other suggestions.

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My money's still on Chaore for the poor quality of his d3 case against Bard and the dearth of commentary on other players. After that, I'm not sure. UK's roleclaim seems awfully convenient and mildly suspect after Neo's flip, I'm not impressed with the analysis Bard provided when I pressed him at the end of d3, and Affinity no longer looks so great for keeping Neo within a vote of being lynched for most of the end of d2. Sorting through this is going to take some careful rereads, and I would prefer that we come to a conclusion on the massclaim issue first so as to prevent a possible waste of time and energy during rereads and analysis.