Author Topic: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin ~ GAME OVER, WOLVES WIN  (Read 39526 times)

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #360 on: September 17, 2010, 06:45:34 PM »
No. Serela is scum. I can prove it if I have to. Please tell me most of your post was satire, Bard.


Bardiche

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #361 on: September 17, 2010, 06:54:13 PM »
... We're going over this again?

The more I think about Serela the more it seems like the utmost idiotic of maneuvres that baffles the mind on how, exactly, any form of success was to be anticipated, expected or otherwise reasonable. Of course, there's enough actions of Serela that make me wonder "What?" and that don't telegraph any townie intent.

I can still be persuaded to vote her, and indeed if no followers take the train to Chaorelynch I will just move back as necessary, but right now Serela's case is such a gigantic mausoleum of silliness that I just don't know what to add to that case. I'm afraid right now I've reached the Derp threshold and will now descend into derp and unfathomable logic. My performance as Saki is really a once-in-a-few-weeks session and I fail to see a coherent thread of logic in the storm of Serela's derpism.

If she is town, then she successfully made sure scum could laze about these past two days. If she is scum, then my head is just full of fuck.

I just have no idea what to think of it anymore. I admit to Mafierangst over losing the game if Serela is indeed town and scum will have a major advantage due to her actions.

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #362 on: September 17, 2010, 06:57:00 PM »
Well I was about set to get cracking on a opinion-of-everyone-else post but I just got called into work for a couple of hours so I don't have the time to write something huge right now.

I am mildly concerned with anyone taking Serela's case on Kefit seriously and more concerned with anyone that is trying to twist the fact that it exists at all to their own benefit. It is a pile of WIFOM, nothing more.

Off the top of my head, I am most happy with Affinity and least happy with Kefit, the former for taking several non-obvious stances throughout the game and taking the time to look at both sides of an issue (such as with oldme regarding huh what on Day 1) and the latter for spending most of the game picking on easy targets, which I said before. Not sure how Bard/UK/Chaore shakes down for me at present. Kinda want to put them all at the same level, really. Maybe Bard slightly above the other two but uh. Would need time for a proper reread to do anything more meaningful than that.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #363 on: September 17, 2010, 06:59:55 PM »
@Bard: As I said, I can prove Serela is lying. Consider this a softclaim. Some part of my role contradicts completely what Serela said. No, that is not the entirity of it.




UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #364 on: September 17, 2010, 07:04:23 PM »
Oh, before the inevitable "Why aren't you voting Serela then?", because I want to see where the shakedown of secondary cases goes. Obviously I won't accept any lynch except Serela's today.


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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #365 on: September 17, 2010, 07:06:49 PM »
VOTECOUNT

NeoSerela ( 2 ): Yamaneko, Bardiche, Kefit
Kefit ( 2 ): Affinity, NeoSerela, UncertainKitten
UncertainKitten ( 1.5 ): Affinity
Chaore ( 1 ): Bardiche

Not voting:Chaore

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. About 35 hours left.

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #366 on: September 17, 2010, 07:11:18 PM »
I'll probably switch to Serela before I go to bed tonight.


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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #367 on: September 17, 2010, 08:09:45 PM »
brb love affair with bardiche

anyway, UK, considering that I am indeed TOWN, like I said today a Village Healer who protected Kilga N1 and myself N2, who may or may not have been roleblocked since Sakana said he does NOT inform people of this... what is your proof?
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UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #368 on: September 17, 2010, 08:23:18 PM »
Easy. I protected Kilga. And Bard. And Kefit. I also did some other things. Happy now? You drew out the real Healer. Oh, by the way. It's not healer. It's Guardian.

But, as it happens, I'm not that either.

I'm a Village Bitch. I mean Witch! Witch! I have potions that do things. One of those things is protect. Actually, it was a pretty ingenious role. Basically, I could make a list of people and if the wolves attacked any of them, my potion was used up and they didn't die. So, I had a choice. Protect one person a night and confirm them as town, or protect everyone and guarantee the scum lose a kill. I chose neither and just protected Bard, Kefit, and Kilga N1, who were my leading picks for town. In retrospect that wasn't the most intelligent thing I could do but what's done is done.

Yes, I do other things. I see no need to reveal those right now.


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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #369 on: September 17, 2010, 08:53:48 PM »
Well I'm still a healer ):

I guess, uh, there isn't really anything else I can say but that, on the matter.

It'll be amusing to watch your reaction to me flipping Village Healer though, I guess.
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UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #370 on: September 17, 2010, 08:56:53 PM »
By which you mean Wolf Roleblocker.


Bardiche

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #371 on: September 17, 2010, 09:10:36 PM »
Why does Witch exclude the Guardian/Healer, again?

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #372 on: September 17, 2010, 09:16:53 PM »
Balance mostly. The fact of the matter is, my role is a GUARANTEED PROTECT essentially. Even if I miss, my potion doesn't get used until I've successfully protected, and I had the option of listing the entire playerlist.

Even then, had Serela acted with a modicum of towniness, I'd probably have held my tongue. But I seriously can't believe you're contemplating him possibly being town after his actions.

He's trying to draw claims out. Yesterday it was cop, now it's the doctor. Well, I'm apparently the closest thing to that.

I really hope you realize what you are advocating. Just how many unlikely things you're proposing.

Also, to be clear, when I stated I was softclaiming I realized I'd have to at least half claim at that point, so that's why I claimed, not necessarily because Serela asked.


Bardiche

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #373 on: September 17, 2010, 09:21:07 PM »
Summation of my thoughts:  :colonveeplusalpha:

Translation: Oh, okay. I see. Citing balance. We've got a day left, I've had a busy day at uni and I am in no state of mind to ponder this so I'll revisit the deal later, but I will likely support Serela lynch if no Chaore case gets knit.

If, of course, Serela is scum, I would take heavy looks at Affinity, but so far I guess it's premature.

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #374 on: September 17, 2010, 09:22:51 PM »
Admittedly, I didn't think the impact of my claim all the way through. Citing balance is kinda a flimsy tactic. But I figure it assists in the evidence mounting against Serela.

I refuse to lynch anyone besides Serela today, but I don't mind your case on Chaore at all and will likely pursue either his or Kefit's lynch tomorrow. I'm pretty sure at this point the scum is one of those two. Rather, the non Serela scum.


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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #375 on: September 17, 2010, 09:25:33 PM »
@Bard: Misrep 1: Fakeclaiming under fire in an attempt to out the cop or to get heat off you is not exactly 'CRAZY IMPOSSIBLE SCUM PLOY'. Why the fuck are you trying to blow this into some super complex plan. He had a lot of votes on him. He fakeclaimed cop under pressure. Intention was to save his ass as he has said already, pretty much. And he succeeded to boot, seeing as we're now down the cop and he managed to make it out alive for the day. In the end he ended up getting caught up by Kilga being the cop, but that isn't something he could've expected.

Misrep 2: Oh yes, I called you on your first case on Neo because it was not only stupid (lol LAL on ED1) and an easy case to make as you didn't have to bother with anything due to your case not being on anyone with posts. This was on D2, and if you meant on that post- I'm criticizing for sticking with only discussing Neo, which avoids you having to make any opinion that isn't based on the person who's trying to weasel his way out of getting caught.

Misrep 3: My case isn't based on your attitude, or frankly it'd probably be a hell of a lot stronger. Anyone reading it knows that far well enough and even you knew that much better yesterday. If you're responding to how I've said I still don't like you - I don't. You're continuing discussing only easy and uncomplicated targets, instead of moving forward, and now you're moving back for retarded fucking reasons.

At least you still have the fact I've had trouble getting on lately. Not really my fault, but hey go ahead, Run with that. Hasn't failed for you yet, has it?

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #376 on: September 17, 2010, 09:33:03 PM »
On at work. Not much to say except for this.

At least you still have the fact I've had trouble getting on lately. Not really my fault, but hey go ahead, Run with that. Hasn't failed for you yet, has it?

You know, citing Bard misrepping you and then turning around and misrepping him isn't the best course of action.
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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #377 on: September 17, 2010, 09:53:00 PM »
You know, citing Bard misrepping you and then turning around and misrepping him isn't the best course of action.

D1 on Neo. I'm not misrepresenting anything.

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #378 on: September 17, 2010, 09:58:12 PM »
So your lone example is a mid-Day 1 vote?
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

Chaore

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #379 on: September 17, 2010, 10:04:17 PM »
So your lone example is a mid-Day 1 vote?

It's not a Misrep, but it certainly isn't a case Kilga. I'm not allowed to make snide remarks now?

Bardiche

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #380 on: September 17, 2010, 10:06:35 PM »
Yes, citing balance is kind of derp considering they said roles and alignments would not be linked. We could have a scum Witch. :V This possibility is, of course, unlikely if your role works as advertised due to Zakeri's death. Unless it's Just As Planned but you know how that works out in scum games.

I still cannot entirely see how Serela can even purport her actions to be townie due to the massive lying and deceiving going on and the downright crazy gambits, but I also cannot see how scum would really benefit from such a song and dance. I'm inclined to lean on the scum side of things, and I admit that I am hesitant in part due to the way this has been moving and my gut has been saying that, warm fuzzy feelings or not, the game will make a turn for the worst in the case of NeoSerela actually being town. It's a terrifying thought, really, and leaving her at L-1 with still 24 hours to go also seems frightening.

On a different but related note.
Chaore. I fail to still see how your case on me is anything other than that you think I am picking on newbies, which is more a matter of attitude than anything else. "Easy case" is a silly argument because obvScum, or obvScummy, is no reason to not pursue any person. If it smells as scum and acts as scum, you pursue it; whether you are trying to find fault with someone who acts in an obvTown way or with someone in an obvScum way, scum is scum; I don't see why you must try to find fault with townie-like players in lieu of the scum-like players.

Am I chasing something obvious? Perhaps. But I see no reason the obvious cannot be the scummy, and have as yet found little reason to turn to many others. From the way you are talking it is my sincerest belief that you are taking this a bit too aggressively, as aside from one of my comments, the insinuation that you may be reacting over-defensively to most my suspects being lurkers is linked to your low amount of posts, I have ill made any comments with the intention to draw out aggression or otherwise.

To call another's confusion "retarded fucking reasoning" may be one of the reasons the newbies may not feel at home in these sort of games, as the cutthroat way you approach your case on me removes the "party" from "partygame" and turns it into a confrontationalist public sensation moreso than the game it is meant to be. It is honestly just demotivating.

Am I being arrogant in asserting the above? Perhaps. I'm no proper judge of that. The sentiment still stands. Tone down the hostility. It won't kill you to be civil.

Ninjas: As far as chasing lurkers goes, I am still baffled by how you decide that something I scarcely mentioned at all must definitely play a big part in my criteria for scum. Yes, lurking is scummy, but it is not the sole standard by which I decide if someone is worth scrutiny or not. If it was, I'd have to run a train on Kefit as he is easily one of the posters with the least amount of posts here, if not the least. The difference is that what he posts has actual contributions; the ones I leveled my finger at did not; their contributions were/are meager and not conductive to proper scumhunting.

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #381 on: September 17, 2010, 10:08:15 PM »
I frown upon snideness, yes, because it's needlessly antagonistic and thus anti-town. That being said you're hardly the only party guilty of needless antagonism, but multiple people doing it doesn't make any individual instance of it less bad.

On top of that, the nature of the subject you were discussing combined with the snideness suggested to me you were implying most/all of Bard's cases on people were based on lurkishness, an implication boosted by the two of you having this discussion about Bard's cases at least once before that ended with him demonstrating that the cases you were trying to paint as based on lurkishness were actually not based on lurkishness. This is why I call misrep on your statement, because Bard's only based a case on lurkishness once and it was a midday vote yet you held it in broad snarky strokes against him.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

Kilgamayan

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #382 on: September 17, 2010, 10:10:50 PM »
EBWOP: That stuff near the end there should read "it was a midday Day 1 vote".
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

Dead Princess Sakana

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #383 on: September 17, 2010, 10:15:39 PM »
I'm not allowed to make snide remarks now?
'Snide'? Noone was ever allowed to do so. I think the topic of civil conduct has been discussed often enough in regards to Mafia.

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #384 on: September 17, 2010, 10:58:56 PM »
@Bard: Real easy. Serela knew he was caught. Therefore, he claimed to out a power role. Living through that one, he claimed another one since his little seer business was blown. To out the doctor he KNEW had to exist. Which he succeeded in. I quite simply, screwed up in my zeal to make sure Serela was caught and lynched. I probably didn't need to softclaim.



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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #385 on: September 17, 2010, 11:08:33 PM »
Damn, UK is going to get NK'd tonight now; just realized that. With the healer lynched, there's nothing stopping scum from yet ANOTHER claimed powerrole kill, unless some role manages to kill/roleblock scum on the kill which would be pretty damn lucky.

Sigh.
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UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #386 on: September 17, 2010, 11:09:42 PM »
So, do you have any scumhunting to add or will your remaining posts just be AtEs?



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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #387 on: September 17, 2010, 11:15:10 PM »
Serela stop trying to fish whether or not UK can self-protect.

(Captain Obvious time: UK, obviously don't confirm this one way or the other.)
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UncertainJakutten

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #388 on: September 17, 2010, 11:19:45 PM »
Yeah, obviously. I tried to keep as little role info as I could while counterclaiming Serela.


Serela

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D3
« Reply #389 on: September 17, 2010, 11:22:25 PM »
The problem is, the majority of current analysis is either A.Before D3 and I've already been over that near the end of D2, or B.Built on me being scum, which makes it patently useless.

It's really fucking hard to read people when I'm massively demotivated due to being guaranteed lynch and half the scumhunting is based on me having already flipped scum (which I'm not going to). I made some short scumhunting comments today, and I don't really see a whole lot of point in putting forth much more effort then that; being town and not scum, my opinions aren't all that important to the game after I die, which I will when today ends.

Even if by some miracle I wasn't lynched today, people would be too likely to want to kill me on LyLo, as well as keep scumhunting based as if I already flipped scum. Even I have to admit I cannot accept any lynch other then myself today. I cannot be allowed to live into LyLo this game.

Serela stop trying to fish whether or not UK can self-protect.
That would be going into overpowered role territory IMO, considering this is an otherwise normal-ish role setup game and she does have some kind of powers apart from a guaranteed protect on someone that is already used. Unless Witch is a third party role, I suppose. But then why would she have the protect? Unless she's lying out her ass on the protect, which I really doubt. (If you are, I congratulate you on a job well done btw)

I guess I wouldn't be surprised if she had a bomb power or something, but I really wouldn't want her to claim that and risk making scum NOT kill her and get killed themselves.
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