Author Topic: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure  (Read 56784 times)

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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #240 on: September 08, 2010, 10:20:11 AM »
>"I have actually tried, a little. Not just about this, but about other issues. She's seemed pretty intent on not letting much of anything be an issue worth worrying about, though. If she's fronting, she's been doing a good job of being convincing about it."

>"Hmmm, I won't insult her by saying it's a deception," says Yukari, as she senses you are done and begins to rinse out her hair. "And she does seem to have a good way of thinking in general. But don't you agree there are some things that should be worried about?"

>Except that mumbling when she was falling asleep...

>You wonder how awake she was for that, in retrospect...

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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #241 on: September 08, 2010, 10:23:48 AM »
>"I've done my fair share of worrying about her, I'll say that much. But I'm hoping that when we get settled down here, and some more time passes, maybe she'll have reconciled her perspectives more. She's nearly as new to the place as I am, after all."

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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #242 on: September 08, 2010, 10:27:30 AM »
>"I've done my fair share of worrying about her, I'll say that much. But I'm hoping that when we get settled down here, and some more time passes, maybe she'll have reconciled her perspectives more. She's nearly as new to the place as I am, after all."

>"That may be a good idea," says Yukari. "But in the meantime, you might have to protect her."

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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #243 on: September 08, 2010, 10:29:27 AM »
>"Well... admittedly, that's part of why I was looking into Byakuren's enchantments. A bit ironic, isn't it?"

I'm not putting this in, since I don't know if it's appropriate. But it's what I believe.

"Renko... seemed a bit different when I first met her again, here. More impulsive, less thoughtful, more ambitious, more... passionate. It worried me a little, at first. But she's still the Renko I love, and... I don't want to hurt her. Even if she might be in shock over having physics broken over her head, especially with the fairies giving the first impression... I'm not sure how best to help her with that."
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« Reply #244 on: September 08, 2010, 10:30:57 AM »
>"I'll do my best to do so. Although... you don't just mean physically, do you?"

And that doesn't seem too inappropriate to me, personally.

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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #245 on: September 08, 2010, 10:34:18 AM »
Very well then. Let's cut to the core of the matter.

>"To... be honest... Renko seemed a bit... different when I first met her again, here. More impulsive, less thoughtful, more ambitious, more... passionate. It worried me a little, at first. But she's still the Renko I love, and... I don't want to hurt her. Even if she might be in shock over having physics broken over her head, especially with the fairies giving the first impression... I'm not sure how best to help her with that."

EDIT: Also, I don't think Yukari explicitly ruled out the possibility of a sorceress miko, i.e. "both." That sounds like an interesting niche to try for. But details will have to wait...
« Last Edit: September 08, 2010, 10:36:33 AM by YukarE-mouse »
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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #246 on: September 08, 2010, 10:37:27 AM »
>"Well... admittedly, that's part of why I was looking into Byakuren's enchantments. A bit ironic, isn't it?"

>She laughs, as she turns to face you again.  "Isn't it like I said? It creates problems as it solves them."

>"I'll do my best to do so. Although... you don't just mean physically, do you?"

>"Of course I mean more than just physically," says Yukari. "You'll have to guide her away from bad decisions. Then again, you're already doing this, aren't you?"

Very well then. Let's cut to the core of the matter.

>"To... be honest... Renko seemed a bit... different when I first met her again, here. More impulsive, less thoughtful, more ambitious, more... passionate. It worried me a little, at first. But she's still the Renko I love, and... I don't want to hurt her. Even if she might be in shock over having physics broken over her head, especially with the fairies giving the first impression... I'm not sure how best to help her with that."

>"Is that what really needs to be helped?"

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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #247 on: September 08, 2010, 10:39:20 AM »
>"Yes, I'm trying. ...how much of this do you know, and how much it are you just guessing?"

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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #248 on: September 08, 2010, 10:44:58 AM »
>"Yes. I am trying to guide her, as best I can right now. It's the how that's difficult... and listening to me just because it's me isn't much better, as sweet as it can be."
>Consider whether she already knows about the invasion... there could be a lot of ways to use that warping ability of hers.

How do we bring up the possibility of Renko being power-hungry/power-mad ala Utsuho?

"... Renko is... also fairly adept at magic, or at least has talent. She seems a little more capable than I am on my own, at this point. But she's... never been powerful before. I woke up in the Underground, and I helped Utsuho restore Gensokyo during that hiccup in history. It was surprising to hear of... what she'd done after becoming powerful herself. Do you think...?"
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« Reply #249 on: September 08, 2010, 10:50:28 AM »
>"Yes, I'm trying. ...how much of this do you know, and how much it are you just guessing?"

>"All I know is what you have told me," says Yukari. "If I have the benefit of experience, well..."

>"Yes. I am trying to guide her, as best I can right now. It's the how that's difficult... and listening to me just because it's me isn't much better, as sweet as it can be."
>Consider whether she already knows about the invasion... there could be a lot of ways to use that warping ability of hers.

>She nods. "This, I think, is more the problem, if she isn't thinking for herself.
>You would think she doesn't, with what she just said. But, she could be misleading you...

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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #250 on: September 08, 2010, 10:55:58 AM »
>"Then do you have any suggestions for snapping her out of it?"
>Guess this is what we get for not focusing on therapy training.
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« Reply #251 on: September 08, 2010, 10:57:28 AM »
>"Well, I'll continue to do my best to help her, and to guide her away from things she might regret later. And more importantly, I'll be there for her if she's been running from herself and it catches up to her."

>"She's already committed to staying here, and I was having my doubts about leaving again, anyway, so I guess we'll be in here for the long haul, now. It's a lot to get used to, but time can make almost anything seem normal."

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« Reply #252 on: September 08, 2010, 11:07:06 AM »
>"Then do you have any suggestions for snapping her out of it?"
>Guess this is what we get for not focusing on therapy training.

>"Mmm, I would suggest not letting her put decisions on someone else," says Yukari.
>Stupid theoretical stuff, being more interesting...

>"Well, I'll continue to do my best to help her, and to guide her away from things she might regret later. And more importantly, I'll be there for her if she's been running from herself and it catches up to her."

>"She's already committed to staying here, and I was having my doubts about leaving again, anyway, so I guess we'll be in here for the long haul, now. It's a lot to get used to, but time can make almost anything seem normal."

>Yukari nods, "It'll be a difficult balance to keep, won't it? On one hand, you do want her to make her own decisions. On the other, you don't want her to throw herself off a cliff..."
>"Oh, you'll forget anything was strange within a couple months," says Yukari.

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« Reply #253 on: September 08, 2010, 11:10:42 AM »
>"Well, I'll just have to play it by ear. No real other way to go about it, really."
>"Oh, I like the strange. Yesterday might well have been the best day of my life. On the other hand, a little rest and normalcy is also nice..."

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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #254 on: September 08, 2010, 11:12:42 AM »
>"I can believe that last part."
>"And yes, I know the risks of her impulsiveness. She's had some alarming ideas, but I managed to talk her out of the worst of them. It's just... I don't think that fully solved the problem. But I can't find strong enough objections to some of her other impulses, as dangerous as they might be. Especially if I want her to reconsider from her own perspective, rather than mine."
>"Do you think it would be wise to let her make those mistakes, and be there for her if she gets hurt by them?"

Draco, curing Renko is a priority. Let's not avoid that.
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« Reply #255 on: September 08, 2010, 11:14:56 AM »
I don't believe I'm avoiding it, and I think 'curing' is a bit of a strong word to use. I guess I personally feel that after the SDM attack, there'll be downtime that'll give her some chance to work through this stuff and come to terms with it (with Maribel's support). I don't think there's any quick fix we're going to be able to throw together right now.

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« Reply #256 on: September 08, 2010, 11:16:19 AM »
There isn't. But the effects of what happens at the SDM are going to be major, however it pans out. More advice and ideas won't hurt.

EDIT: Especially if that advice is about how to help her recover in a healthy way afterwards.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2010, 11:30:03 AM by YukarE-mouse »
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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #257 on: September 08, 2010, 11:31:27 AM »
>"Well, I'll just have to play it by ear. No real other way to go about it, really."
>"Oh, I like the strange. Yesterday might well have been the best day of my life. On the other hand, a little rest and normalcy is also nice..."

>She grins. "I'm glad. One must always appreciate newness, don't you think?"

>"I can believe that last part."
>"And yes, I know the risks of her impulsiveness. She's had some alarming ideas, but I managed to talk her out of the worst of them. It's just... I don't think that fully solved the problem. But I can't find strong enough objections to some of her other impulses, as dangerous as they might be. Especially if I want her to reconsider from her own perspective, rather than mine."
>"Do you think it would be wise to let her make those mistakes, and be there for her if she gets hurt by them?"

>"Hmmm. Do you think the mistakes are likely to make her less inclined to be herself, or more inclined to think through them?"

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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #258 on: September 08, 2010, 11:33:25 AM »
Jesus, this is still going?
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #259 on: September 08, 2010, 11:52:32 AM »
Jesus, this is still going?

I will fight you. In my sleep.

>"To be herself...?"
>What WAS Renko usually like, back in the outer world?
>"... that's a good question. But it's clear which is better to focus on, isn't it? Making sure she understands that... might be the best I can hope for."
>But would success or defeat make a better lesson? Damnit.
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« Reply #260 on: September 08, 2010, 06:26:22 PM »
>"To be herself...?"
>What WAS Renko usually like, back in the outer world?
>"... that's a good question. But it's clear which is better to focus on, isn't it? Making sure she understands that... might be the best I can hope for."
>But would success or defeat make a better lesson? Damnit.

>The primary difference was that Renko used to be more analytical, more willing to poke at things and ask why they were like they were. This had  a side effect of her sometimes complaining that things didn't make sense. You kind of don't miss that last part too much. Kind
>Yukari nods. "Well, which is better, it's best that you are there for her." She offers a smile. "Which seems to be exactly what you're planning."
>This is hard to say. But given what she said yesterday about the whole thing working, you're pretty certain success is important to her.

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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #261 on: September 08, 2010, 06:37:17 PM »
Well, getting to read all that while I wasn't still 3/4 asleep helped me understand it a little bit better. I have a couple of ideas for approaches to this new Renko problem, but those will have to wait for later.

> How much more 'thinking through' is Renko likely to do with ideas if she is defeated, though? She had thought this invasion idea out fairly well, for one, at least on the tactical end. Hmm.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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« Reply #262 on: September 08, 2010, 06:41:48 PM »
> How much more 'thinking through' is Renko likely to do with ideas if she is defeated, though? She had thought this invasion idea out fairly well, for one, at least on the tactical end. Hmm.

>You are not certain. Outside, Renko wasn't one to give up. But, she was also pretty certain about how the world works, at least up to a point, as well. It's entirely plausible either she will keep at it until she can make it work, or that she'll just give up entirely. Whether or not she could keep her faeries after the first defeat is questionable.

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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #263 on: September 08, 2010, 06:47:37 PM »
> Well, presumably, this is a one-and-done deal anyway, so there won't be a 'first' defeat to worry about. The fairies are in this for the respect and the revenge, and they'll get both of those by the end of it. Any battles beyond that would mean Renko's just using them as tools to further her own gains, which would be pretty hypocritical on her part.

> ..Bet she's thought of that, too. No wonder she wants to win so badly.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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« Reply #264 on: September 08, 2010, 06:59:15 PM »
> Well, presumably, this is a one-and-done deal anyway, so there won't be a 'first' defeat to worry about. The fairies are in this for the respect and the revenge, and they'll get both of those by the end of it. Any battles beyond that would mean Renko's just using them as tools to further her own gains, which would be pretty hypocritical on her part.

> ..Bet she's thought of that, too. No wonder she wants to win so badly.

>Renko's certainly not mentioned any other plans in this regard.

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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #265 on: September 08, 2010, 07:28:49 PM »
> "Yeah, I do plan on that...and I you've given me some things to think about that will take what we have now and make it even better. Thank you for your kindness."
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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« Reply #266 on: September 08, 2010, 07:38:39 PM »
> "Yeah, I do plan on that...and I you've given me some things to think about that will take what we have now and make it even better. Thank you for your kindness."

>"Oh, you're most certainly welcome," says Yukari, smiling, "I do with the two of you well."

>_

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« Reply #267 on: September 08, 2010, 08:08:32 PM »
>"Thanks."
>Lay back and an enjoy the water a little bit more

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« Reply #268 on: September 08, 2010, 08:25:09 PM »
>"Thanks."
>Lay back and an enjoy the water a little bit more

>You lay back and enjoy the water. It really is nice to have a good hot bath to get clean. Reimu's pond was nice, but it's really got nothing compared to this. It shouldn't be too hard to find this place again, as well. You think it's not too far from the entrance to the Underground. It probably gets really crowded sometimes, though. You suspect Yukari's presence might have a role in keeping it private as long as it has been.
>Yukari, now sitting next to you, takes you hand into hers without a word.

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Re: Maribel Quest Adjoining: A Z-Machine Adventure
« Reply #269 on: September 08, 2010, 08:28:53 PM »
>"I'm sure everything will work out. Or, rather, I'm going to make sure everything works out."