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Point of interest 1.
Oh. Whoops.
##Unvote
##Vote: Kanako
Nothing has changed for me, despite the backtrack. pesco was right, no questioning.
I think this has been answered, but what are you agreeing to here? I barely see a pescopost dealing with Affinity since you previously posted. (Also and in unrelated news, I'm going to have to capitalize the 'p' in Pesco now.)
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Point of interest 2.
I'd ask why is Edible concluding scum then finding evidence, instead of finding evidence then concluding scum? This appears to be bad play by the words of that sexy bunny. Rather tunnel-like and that's why I considered lyncher/lynchee.
We are all also aware that Alice does lurk a lot. Once again, I'm not shy about using personal knowledge of a person to dismiss their actions. Alice has exams, naturally he can't be here making goodpostsTM. I expect once the exams are done we'll see his hidden power levels participation increase.
A thing to note here is the difference between Alice's got-exams-lurk and Wrathie's at-work-lurk. Wrathie has had opportunity to post something decent when he's not at work. The gap of silence between his 'I'm at work so can't post' and 'I'm going to bed so can't post' is full of question marks.
To contrast...
Giving Wrathie anal too while we're here.
Votes Rou. Unvotes Rou. Exactly what happened in between?
Then the suicide beserker post. Sigh...it's only moe when UK does it. I recall Wrathie saying somewhere that he wanted to do something with his meta, he wasn't going to change it but it had to do with how he played. This offended-Wrathie I'm seeing feels a little stronger than normal (relative to his posting elsewhere on the site).
Which to pursue, scum defending someone, scum attacking someone weakly, or scum not talking about someone at all?
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Point of interest 3.
The same goes for Alice, a day of lurking then a post with little relevance and a badly justified vote. Problem is, that is exactly what he did on SF Mafia, and scum-me even tried to nail him for it. Even so he still doesn't look good.
wrathie is still confusing as ever for me. I sincerely don't know if that makes him scum or not, but if he is town it does make him an easy target for both scum and town, and a possible liability for town if he goes on to the endgame.
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Right now I'm fine with either an Alice or a SP lynch. I'll keep my vote on Alice since I don't see why let him of the hook after that insatisfactory post.
Nietz also waffles on wrathie, but pushes A-Mo harder.
What bothers me about the two scum pushing Alice Margatroid early on is that if they were trying to bus him, they would theoretically be bussing a power role (see Point 6). Which is... stupid, really.
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Point of interest 4.
You don't feel Alice is scummy for trying to put dirt on Rou? My vote on Alice feels like a good step after reading the best that Alice has come up with.
And similar posts attacking Alice for rather poor reasons. It feels very staged, and Alice doesn't do nearly as much responding to it as me and Rou (see Point 12).
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Point of interest 5. Affinity 251, where he tries to justify his S.Peroxide hate when he's going to be lynched anyway. I've mentioned already how much I really don't like this post, as it's entirely unnecessary - something you don't normally say about Affinityposts.
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Point of interest 6.
Obviously if Alice is scum, so is Kanako by proxy.
If Scum Doc isn't a possible role, I'll admit I have no choice but to clear Alice. Kanako I still don't like, basically for targeting someone WE TOLD HIM NOT TO.
This reaches into the question of
who did Rou target N1? What makes most sense based on this is that Rou Tracked Alice (and saw a self-target).
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Point of interest 7.
I am also thrilled to hear that the simplicity of a crackpot theory makes it more liable to be believed.
I don't see what you're poking at here, but again, I really don't like this post for some reason.
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Point of interest 8.
You're missing the point. I'm saying that if Kanako is a townie cop (or if anyone was a townie cop for that matter), that person would investigate Alice, wouldn't they, based on the rarity of there being two townie docs in the game? I'm sure you would, since you're voting him right now. Alice being scum is by no means an axiom of truth as you make it out to be.
It's not an affirmation of Alice-Town, but it IS factually correct. I'm not sure if this is scummy or just slippery.
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Point of interest 9.
Call me an asshole if you will, there's nobody for me compete with for such a title this game. I don't buy Wrathie's actions. Your laptop may be causing problems, but I don't believe it had anything to do with a busted keyboard. You could coherently tell us the keyboard was broken, but not lay a vote? The posting style also indicated some time between each line of vote, complaint, unvote, complaint.
##Vote Wrathie for president
Pesco tries to get wrathie out of the game early on, pushing for reasons that actually make sense (not that Pesco had to work very hard to find them). I'm not sure if this qualifies as a bus or not - considering how hard Pesco was pushing wrathie, I'm going to guess not.
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Point of interest 10.
Setup speculation because a new idea occurred to me:
Alice attacked = Alice is a Doctor or a Bulletproof
Kanako investigates Alice as Town = Alice is Town or Godfather, and/or Kanako is not Sane/Lying Scum
All things considered, Alice being a Godfather with NK immunity is actually a distinct possibility and Mafia could have planned ahead anticipating a Town Cop investigation on Alice. It could also explain the lack of a Roleblocker or Hitman. All of this can be made more certain by Day 3.
Gut feeling: At least one of them is Town, if not both. Otherwise, you're going to tell me 2 Scum bluffed the 2 most common roleclaims in the game when threatened with a Lynch? That's pretty risky, especially with Kanako's claim. However, a Godfather with NK immunity can claim Doc rather easily. Also saying that the Doc has limited uses is an easy copout in not being able to protect in the future. That wasn't really necessary information for Alice to hand out as UK mentioned. The ball is in Alice's court to decide how to act tonight.
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Reread:
Pesco presses Alice to L-3 over Kanako 6 hours before deadline due to deadline pressure. This is what Kilga would deem as the momentum shifting vote and it is something to note depending on possible future flips.
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Pesco trying to play the setup: Lynchee/Lyncher as well as his early comment in #193 that umu pointed out is fluff. Refusal to give up on Alice after Alice's roleclaim is noted.
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How do we know this? All we know is that we have a cop, two docs (one of whom loses his power after doing a vig), and it is highly unlikely at this moment that scum has a roleblocker. Why do you think they necessarily must not have any other possible power roles?
Alice... how do you "know" we have a cop? Kanako could be lying. I detect possible minor scum tell. At the very least, your response is just agreeing with Rou that there are 2 Docs and a Cop, but not mentioning that Kanako could be lying stuck out to me. Because if you were a Scum Godfather, you would know that Kanako isn't lying anyways.
Rou's case on Nietz is interesting. I've had him as an unknown for awhile so the fact that he didn't mention Pesco going after wrathie is something when Pesco went after him at the start. Putting a vote on Donut later is finally putting money where his mouth is. I should note that both Alice and Nietz are ones who were ok with a Donut lynch but didn't actually take Donut from L-2 to L-1. I'm not really understanding their hesitancy, particularly Alice's.
Umu: I don't like Pesco's randomness in the game so far. I also don't agree with his wrathie case as much. I was initially going to say the following: "Pesco is likely scum unless it turns out Alice is actually Scum who lied on his roleclaim." Then I thought about it and figured it isn't that unlikely for Scum Pesco to try a bus on Scum Alice given they could have pre-planned a Doc roleclaim and he could resist it in the thread, but relent due to the expected unvotes. In other words, Pesco's alignment in regards to pursuing Alice is null regardless of how Alice flips. I will support a Pesco lynch if it comes down to it.
Pesco's recent post at #419 is playing it coy. "I'll drop it as long as the other guy stops asking," is wrong because Pesco himself was the one continually bringing it up as to how I read it. As if to prove that point, 2 paragraphs later, you bring up umu again as the possible lyncher. Also a bit unclear about your view on Nietz. I understand your view on wrathie and Donut and I don't really have any questions for you at the moment. However, you didn't win me over after that post so I still think you're an acceptable lynch for today. Will be waiting for your later posts.
This is Kiro's principal content, as far as I can see. Kiro died after these posts, obviously, and as far as I can tell Kiro was the only person who had this particular set of views. The only reasons I can think of for Kiro dying include
1) Randomness
which is an Alice Margatroid specialty for kills2) Being on the right track
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Point of interest 11.
Frankly, I didn't get a lot of strong feelings from Day 1. A lot of "can be, but maybe not" from mostly everyone that would really sound waffly if I listed.
Granted it might sound like wafflying but with your skill lvl you could probably bring it up. I would hate myself for letting anyone out of the radar now after the last game.
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@pesco:
Not gonna dispute ur views on me being scummy due to my keyboard errors and such but that's Real life throwing me a wild card, so yea. Don't think there is a way to actually defend myself from that ;3
Ninja'd by Rou: oh hey man... yea, pesco been after me but seeing it was due to my technical difficulties and such i can't find a good way to defend and such... it's hard for anyone to defend me, even myself. If you could find a case I'll be quite surprised..
Have I mentioned
recently how much I don't like the idea of wrathie in the endgame?
I can only hope that Pesco's scumflip genuinely took wrathie by surprise.
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Point of interest 12.
Regarding Nietz, I don't think he's scum. His posts so far appear to indicate lazy town to me. He does need to post more, and with more opinions on people that are backed up with evidence, though.
Regarding pesco, Oh my LORD. Your post with actual content today is more-or-less fine, but everything past that...why the joke posts? Why do you keep pressing the lyncher/lynchee garbage despite everyone telling you to stop playing the goddamn setup and to start playing the goddamn game?
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##Vote: pesco47 [(L-5)]
I'm not sure how much stock I place in this vote, considering
1) Alice is good for bussing useless partners ^.^
2) pesco basically quit this game, suggesting he may not have wanted to play in the first place
3) Alice hadn't mentioned pesco at all D2 up to that point... which is kind of strange considering me and Rou fought for Alice quite a bit at the end of D1.
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Point of interest 13. wrathie #510, his vote on Pesco. Speaking quite frankly I don't claim to have a solid idea of how to read wrathie. However, I'm going to *guess* that this is not a buspost.
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Point of interest 14.
I don't really like the case against [Pesco?]; none of the points against donut are particularly hard to see and Rou's accusation of him is actually a null tell due to the fact that it's all a matter of sequence regarding 'original points'. The lynchee-lyncher argument is no better nor worse than Rou's blind accusation of Alice in day two, and should not be factored against him. pesco's reactions however, strike me as very egocentric; all instances of which are already pointed out above. Also, the fact that he has been defending himself all day without attempting to continue his case on wrathie or even evluate his posts more than balances out the shortcomings of the case against him.
Would like a claim.
##Unvote
##Vote: pesco47
I dislike this shoving off of the case on Pesco as seemingly invalid because there existed other cases you liked better. I don't know if this is your way of being edgy and different or if you're trying to explain why you didn't attack Pesco earlier. Given your play up until this point, I'm guessing the former.
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Point of interest 15. wrathie RPing with Pesco.
This is the part where I flame wrathie mercilessly. Please envision the pissy wrath of u? going on for about two paragraphs in this space while I move on to the next point.
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Point of interest 16. Alice Margatroid 616. It looks like a decent post, or at least not one I would connect with bussing a scumpartner... I think. Alice proceeds to own wrathie at existence in the next two posts.
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Point of interest 17. Affinity 623, wherein he recycles reasons for voting Nietz and then does - even though he references one of Alice's posts where he DOESN'T vote Nietz for the express purpose of preventing a self-hammer (which of course happens soon afterward).
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Point of interest 18. Affinity 737, wherein the UK wagon is denied because Affinity votes for wrathie. On the same page as a vote count. There are only two reasons I can think of for Affinity doing this.
1) Temporary retardation
2) Preventing the UK lynch (which from a tactical perspective would not be a bad idea, since at least two people on the Zakeri wagon really didn't like being there, thus Zakeri would not have been so convenient a lynch for the next day)
Affinity's explanation for this is garbage as well.
Am sorry for the sudden unvote near the deadline yesterday; Zakeri suddenly started offering everything I wanted to see, and I thought enough people would be available for a switch to wrathie.
FOUR OTHER PEOPLE? Especially when the two that were actually around were talking about trying to get enough people online to swing to UK, NOT wrathie.
There is scum motivation for this - forcing an unpopular Zakeri lynch while making UK the leading lynch the next day. Two for the price of one!
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Point of interest 19. Me 780, where I "hint" that Alice should fullclaim. Of course, he doesn't, and when questioned about it says that he did it D1 or D2 (he didn't). Way to secure the trust, Alice.
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Point of interest 20.
I've not heard of NK-immune GFs in non-factions games, for one thing.
There IS a one-shot vig in this game. Whether that would be enough to warrant NK immunity on a Godfather... that IS stretching a bit.
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Point of interest 21. Two things that are still bothering me are what Pesco PMd Kilga about D2, and why Nietz said this game was silly D3. About twenty minutes after Pesco said he wanted to PM Kilga, he started RPing with wrathie and claimed scum. Was he PMing Kilga about claiming scum, or outing his partner?
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Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooookay.
I believe that whoever is scum came in today expecting wrathie to be the easy lynch. Unfortunately, this doesn't narrow down the list of suspects at all (even wrathie isn't excepted by this criterion).
What bothers me about making a decision is that two of you are Town, because I really want to just push all of you off a bridge and be done with it.
Affinity - My top choice for scum. Few interactions with Pesco and Nietz that weren't already established. Admitted to following the "popular stance"(s) in a previous defense. Permitted Nietz to self-hammer D3. Prevented the popular UK lynch D4. General absence.
Alice Margatroid - Doc claim doesn't add up in about six or seven different ways. Doc claim not adding up doesn't add up in about six or seven different ways. I don't think this is the right lynch for today.
wrathie - Doesn't add up in about sixteen or seventeen different ways, not all of which are scummy. Is bringing out my sarcastic and condescending side, which I really don't like (after the fact). I don't know what to make of him.
Let's get this over with.
##Push off a bridge: Alice Margatroid
##Push off a bridge: wrathie
##Vote: Affinity (L-2)
##THEN Push off a bridge: Affinity
