Why is Flandre in the basement?

[Lord Phantasm Satori]

well, there's a thread for stupid theories, so there should be a thread for serious ones. I don't have one, so hopefully it will start with the next post.

[Iryan]

Isn't this already covered by the "Miscelleanous Questions" Thread?

Also, low content OP.  :derp:

[Marin The Magus]

How could Remilia and Flandre be vampires since they were born? They were surely bitten by vampires. And they were told that they were descendants of dracula just to make them believe it, that's why ZUN denies it. Maybe by their parents...Maybe by some strangers...but, just agree with me that, this isn't so crazy. Specially with this fact:
Flandre is around 495 years old. Remilia is over 500.  They would have to be around the same age. But, in fact, Flandre seems to be half Remi's age.
This wasn't prooved in cannon, but, if we consider vampires as youkai, they shouldn't be bitten to be born as a one. However, vampires CAN transform others, and this is the only way to explain the age thing.

[Tengukami]

Isn't this already covered by the "Miscelleanous Questions" Thread?

Pretty much.

Also, low content OP.  :derp:

This, too.

[Ryuu]

Flandre is around 495 years old. Remilia is over 500.  They would have to be around the same age. But, in fact, Flandre seems to be half Remi's age.

flan and remi are usually shown looking around the same age, so I don't know what you're talking about there. she might act less mature, yeah, but then again she's also been locked in a goddamn basement the entire time--not exactly a keen maturation environment

[Marin The Magus]

Maybe Remilia is just a little bit shorty...xD
But being locked in a basement doesn't mean she'd be less mature!It may bring lunacy or/and psychological problems (lack of attention; depression) but, being locked in a basement would actually make you more mature, it's not like time (mentally, of course) stopped.

[Unassuming Squid]

I'm pretty sure Flandre is supposed to be about 5 years younger than Remilia.

Actually, it could make her less mature. Fewer opportunities to interact with other people and learn about the world means that mental maturation would be almost impossible.

[Tengukami]

If only we had a thread for miscellaneous questions such as this. Preferably stickied.

[Ryuu]

Maybe Remilia is just a little bit shorty...xD
But being locked in a basement doesn't mean she'd be less mature!It may bring lunacy or/and psychological problems (lack of attention; depression) but, being locked in a basement would actually make you more mature, it's not like time (mentally, of course) stopped.

I'm pretty sure the mental maturation of youkai are different than that of humans. Look at Tewi(over 1000). Or Cirno(over 60). Or Suika(really old).


also in canon, flandre is heavily implied to be a willing shut-in at this point, so wooo psyche issues.

[Marin The Magus]

Yeah, but this is to argue possibilities of covering plotholes of the games, the questions can be about ANYTHING. Or the only one who thinks that way is me...?

Anyway,let's TRY to get into Flandre's mind ...Um... You would be asking yourself things, and the more things you ask, you can realize more things and understand more things. It's just philosophy.

[Tengukami]

'Questions about anything' is what 'miscellaneous' means.

[Unassuming Squid]

I figured this thread would be for things that aren't covered in canon. Similarly, we're not asking questions in the "stupid theories" thread, so why not have the same thing for this thread?

I don't see how theory=question, honestly.

[Ryuu]

Anyway,let's TRY to get into Flandre's mind ...Um... You would be asking yourself things, and the more things you ask, you can realize more things and understand more things. It's just philosophy.

except the lack of external stimuli would severely limit the conclusions one would come to.

[Marin The Magus]

*facepalm*
That's why.
This is proposal of theories.
The other one is for anything anyone likes to ask.
And with "Or am I the only on who thinks that way...?" I meant: The only one who thinks that this should be a separated thread is me...?
*sigh* I just don't think that it's necessary to eliminate this thread.

[Marin The Magus]

except the lack of external stimuli would severely limit the conclusions one would come to.

But she is still a living thing, isn't she? She can begin there. Or even, she can begin by asking herself why would her sister do that to her. Just a little bit of knowledge can be transformed into a lot. 

[Ryuu]

But she is still a living thing, isn't she? She can begin there. Or even, she can begin by asking herself why would her sister do that to her. Just a little bit of knowledge can be transformed into a lot.

Have you ever, like, y'know, been around a kid? They don't ask things like "why do I exist" or "what is the nature of life". They ask "why isn't dinner here yet?", "why does my bear pop when I go kyuu at it?" and "why is sakuya's hair so shiny"

[Unassuming Squid]

*facepalm*
That's why.
This is proposal of theories.
The other one is for anything anyone likes to ask.
And with "Or am I the only on who thinks that way...?" I meant: The only one who thinks that this should be a separated thread is me...?
*sigh* I just don't think that it's necessary to eliminate this thread.

I think that way.

The way I see it, both Flandre and Remilia decided that Flandre should be isolated. I don't think Flandre wants to destroy everything, and she sees her power as more of a curse than a blessing. After 495+ years, she certainly understands the extent of her power.

I'm not sure there's a lot for her to think about, really. She probably understands perfectly well what's going on, and though she doesn't like it, she accepts it.

[Esoterica]

Have you ever, like, y'know, been around a kid? They don't ask things like "why do I exist" or "what is the nature of life". They ask "why isn't dinner here yet?", "why does my bear pop when I go kyuu at it?" and "why is sakuya's hair so shiny"

...why is Sakuya's hair so shiny?  :/

[Ryuu]

...why is Sakuya's hair so shiny?  :/

It must be her conditioner.

[Iryan]

...why is Sakuya's hair so shiny?  :/

L?Or?al. Because she's worth it.

[Marin The Magus]

Someone like Flandre would. Although you may not realize, she notices and knows what happens around her. There ARE depressed kids in the world.

She stays there willingly. She surely understands that she has that power and she respects her sister. Besides she can get out whenever she wants but she doesn't do it.
Flandre acts like a child that doesn't know anything. However, if she was as curious as a child she would jump out of the basement everytime. (Well, she did it ONCE. We are lucky that she has restrained herself)
What I mean is that she sure acts immature, but not the way that the cause of it is staying in the basement.
She is mature and immature like that. If only we knew more than just some dialogues and some actions...

[Ryuu]

Someone like Flandre would. Although you may not realize, she notices and knows what happens around her.

She stays there willingly. She surely understands that she has that power and she respects her sister. Besides she can get out whenever she wants but she doesn't do it.
Flandre acts like a child that doesn't know anything. However, if she was as curious as a child she would jump out of the basement everytime. (Well, she did it ONCE. We are lucky that she has restrained herself)
What I mean is that she sure acts immature, but not the way that the cause of it is staying in the basement.
She is mature and immature like that. If only we knew more than just some dialogues and some actions...

I don't know, man, it sounds like you're filling in plenty between the lines on your own.

[Unassuming Squid]

I don't know, man, it sounds like you're filling in plenty between the lines on your own.

Isn't that pretty much what a theory does?

A good deal of what he said was canonical, anyway.

[Marin The Magus]

No, but where I live, I see lots of sad kids selling things in the streets and I often wondered (when I was a kid) how they feel (Besides, if only you've heard or seen what they do to those poor kids...) And now I know that they knew more of life than what I did when I was a kid.  I think that's the way Flandre is. She knows about life.
 

[Lord Phantasm Satori]

yeah, kids who are mistreated think differently than kids who aren't. I personally don't understand why she was kept in a basement all her life. I can sort of understand why she was kept there before they came, but after arriving at Gensyoko, I don't understand why she has to stay there... other than that being the reason why she won't be put in any more Touhou games

[Marin The Magus]

It's because Remilia is stubborn. (Besides form being egocentric, childish, capricious, etc...and the fact that she needs a nanny xD)

[Lord Phantasm Satori]

Flandre should just escape. she has the power, she knows theres an outside because she's fought with reimu and marisa. so she should break out and either see gensyoko, or go nuts all over gensyoko.

[Unassuming Squid]

Flandre should just escape. she has the power, she knows theres an outside because she's fought with reimu and marisa. so she should break out and either see gensyoko, or go nuts all over gensyoko.

Yeah, she could, but she respects her sister enough that she wouldn't.

And she/Remilia would think that she needs to stay there because of the whole "INSTANT DESTRUCTION OF ANYTHING" problem. Just because she's in Gensokyo doesn't change that little bump in the road.

[Marin The Magus]

Okay, this's turned to proyect "Let's get Flandre out" xD

If Flandre wanted, she would have done it.
So, we can't just take her out against her will *sigh*

[Lord Phantasm Satori]

okay, why the hell would she WANT to stay there? the only reason she isn't leaving is because she has no idea what she's missing. she was invited to the hakurei shrine, but she never took up on that offer (unless she was shown there at the ending. I've never gotten to that) and why on earth would she respect the one who's kept her locked up all her life? yeah, they're family, but Remilia seems to keep her locked up 'cause of her powers... well, I think the flandre thing has hit a dead end.

I've got another subject to discuss: Hakurei's god. who is she (could be a he, but I doubt it, so I'll keep saying she), and why hasn't she shown her face like Kanako? After stage 1 of Touhou 10, Reimu says "I hope my shrine's god is stronger" or something to that effect. At first I thought it was Mima, but then I noticed that she wrecked the shring in Touhou 2. Then I thought that it could be Reimu, but then I realized that she wouldn't refer to herself in third person like that. also, she's human. so here's my theory: the shrine has no god, and Reimu is gathering faith for herself to become a god! why else would she try to snuff out Moriya shrine when it appeared?