>"People got hurt trying to do those things, sure, but that wasn't the POINT of what they were doing. They tried to keep people from getting hurt, as best they could. It would have been an even greater achievement if no one at all had gotten hurt."
>"You say you want to do this because people will notice, and that it'll prove something to them. But beyond simply proving that it's possible, what are you getting at? Why does it matter so much to you to prove this point?"