東方蒼神縁起 ～ THE GENIUS OF SAPPHEIROS (v1.07 is out!)

[Think Komachi with a Rifle]

Cleared the 5th stage.  Game Over'd twice there...and neither of them to Satori surprisingly.  One came because of those lovely enemies with the party wide paralysis spells (and normal attacks that carry a chance of instant death, joy), the other I just kept getting screwed over by an enemy with a party wide "LOL you lose your turn!" that essentially always hit Byakuren and Patchy, resulting in me going poof cause of other enemies with insta death attacks.

It's not you lose a turn, it's a cast interupt. You get round it by not using spells until it's dead. Assuming it's the one that always hits first, right?

Satori full heals if she gets low on health, and uses a party wide petrify which can wipe you if not resisted. You got lucky.

You may want to level Satori now, stage 6 seemed to be realy easy to grind in. Lacks in overly dangerous enemies compared to stage 5 or 7.

[trancehime]

In other news, Mind Flayers are mankind's worst enemy. :ohdear:

[Esoterica]

Satori full heals if she gets low on health, and uses a party wide petrify which can wipe you if not resisted. You got lucky.

You may want to level Satori now, stage 6 seemed to be realy easy to grind in. Lacks in overly dangerous enemies compared to stage 5 or 7.

Actually, from what I read on the Japanese wiki the healing spell (Elixir; Recollection "Hourai Elixir" perhaps?) is tied to her water form, so she probably uses it on the last turn of her water form every time.  It's not a full heal either; 1600some HP out of her 2500 max or so, I believe?  The petrify spell is also tied to the last  turn of her earth form.  She didn't use either spell at all the time I won, in which she only got to her fire form.

Tip for stage 6: Do all the grinding in the underworld area.  Those dragon girls and undead bird things up top can definitely result in a party wipe.

EDIT: Yuyuko's making me ragequit this game.

[Anima Zero]

It's not you lose a turn, it's a cast interupt. You get round it by not using spells until it's dead. Assuming it's the one that always hits first, right?

Satori full heals if she gets low on health, and uses a party wide petrify which can wipe you if not resisted. You got lucky.

You may want to level Satori now, stage 6 seemed to be realy easy to grind in. Lacks in overly dangerous enemies compared to stage 5 or 7.

Yeah, it's the enemy that always seems to go first and opens with that.  Cast interrpution would make sense considering Byakuren and Patchy were always casting something when that happened.

Satori...I did get lucky, go figure.  I do remember her saying a couple things, one at around half HP, the other when she had a sliver of life left.

Guess I should level Satori now then.  It's not like I need Mokou leveled up well enough for her to be effective as a commander.

In other news, Mind Flayers are mankind's worst enemy. :ohdear:

True.  Oh so true.

Tip for stage 6: Do all the grinding in the underworld area.  Those dragon girls and undead bird things up top can definitely result in a party wipe.

EDIT: Yuyuko's making me ragequit this game.

Noted on the grinding.  The dragon girls didn't seem to do much aside from sniping Patchy and...confusion I think?  Or whatever status I saw there.  Think it randomly makes the afflicted character lose their turn.  Don't think I've run into the birds, but we'll see.

Yuyuko's that bad eh?  Guess I'll be having lots of fun when I reach her then.

[trancehime]

Re: Yuyukers

Spoiler:

Yuyuko has some high physical evasion and very high magical defense, so it's hard to deal some serious damage to her. Just in case you want some figures, her raw P.EVA is at 75 and her M.DEF is at 240. On the flipside, she has literally 0 P.DEF, so you want to try and be able to actually hit Yuyuko. Yuyuko also has a slight weakness to Fire/Water/Elec/Earth, with Light and Dark resistances, so take advantage of your physical elemental attacks. Now, the problem is, when Youmu is gone from the fight, Yuyuko gets 2 actions. She can also use Ghastly Dream to lower your characters' RES, which is very bad. If you're insistent on using magical attacks, Nitori is actually a very useful character to have around. She can use Zero Carbine Buster at L18, which is a reasonably solid and accurate Water elemental attack. Alternatively, she can use Select Bullet + Zero Fighter if you want a sure-fire hit. Sanae's Sky Serpent, which is Physical and Elec elemental, might also work if you want to have Sanae do something when she's not buffing or healing. It's a good idea to get certain skills on the appropriate skill tree for Sakuya, Reimu and Sanae to increase their DEATH resistance.

Spoiler:

If for some reason the idea of Resurrection Butterfly really scares you, you can stop it in three ways:
1) Using Private Square and then defeating Yuyuko
2) Yuyuko dies by Poison damage
3) Yuyuko dies by Nitori's chaser damage
Alternatively, Alice's "Doll Shield - England Doll" should be used to cover someone from dying so that at least ONE person will be left standing after Yuyuko's Death procs.

[Esoterica]

Unfortunately, you're pretty much reading off my strategy right there.  On more recent attempts, I usually just have Byakuren, Sanae, Patch, and Satori all killed off by Youmu's spellcard almost immediately.  If she doesn't do that, I use Nitori's "don't miss" commander spell, and have Mokou, Sanae, and Patch put down the physical hurt (Mokou can hit for 150-600 depending on how Mach Punch is feeling, Sanae hits 350-600 consistently, Patch does about 220 with her first book skill and 300 with Philosopher's Stone, but 0s with elemental spells).  My only other options are Marisa, Reimu, and Nitori, all at level 16, but I'm currently using Nitori as commander to ensure I can actually land hits.

btw, does Hyper Camouflage block Res Butterfly?  First time I killed Yuyu I took her out a turn earlier than expected, and the second time it was a turn too early.

As an aside, Mokou seems to take way more damage from things than she should.

EDIT: Hyper Camouflage definitely does not block Res Butterfly.  On the other hand, holy hell poison.

EDIT2: IND has officially become my favorite stat.  Used Byakuren's IND buff on Satori and her poison went from "occasionally landing on Yuyuko and doing 74 damage" to "guaranteed on both doing nearly 600 damage".

EDIT3:

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[scherzo]

If she doesn't do that, I Mokou can hit for 150-600 depending on how Mach Punch is feeling, Sanae hits 350-600 consistently, Patch does about 220 with her first book skill and 300 with Philosopher's Stone, but 0s with elemental spells

What. In that fight, my highest damage dealer to Yuyuko was Sakuya, and without a PATK buff she didn't even break 300. How is Sanae, of all people, a physical attack monster?

[Esoterica]

What. In that fight, my highest damage dealer to Yuyuko was Sakuya, and without a PATK buff she didn't even break 300. How is Sanae, of all people, a physical attack monster?

I dunno, her stats don't even reflect it.  Wily Frog does stupidly high amounts of damage though.

[Anima Zero]

6th stage cleared today.

Oh my god I had such a hellstorm of swears I wanted to unleash against Yuyuko & Youmu so badly.

Youmu was half the problem.  Didn't help when she decided to use some manner of special attack and wipe random not Alice people.  Damaging her was a slight issue too since only Patchy (at first) and Sakuya could inflict any decent amount of damage.

Then, Yuyuko....insta death shenanigans, RES debuff, regenerating like 50-100 HP at the end of every turn, and dodging like she was some kind of major DBZ villain.  Need I say more?

...Oh yeah, her final screw you move.  Real LOVELY kick in the pants that is.

Failed like 4-5 times (Including Yuyuko hax death killing Alice like one round before she would have used her final attack and me falling to said final attack the next turn).

Spoiler'ing my strategy changeup for those that want to figure out this fight on their own...and because it's words words and more words.

Spoiler:

After that, strategy change.  Put Marisa into the party in place of Patchy since she had cheap and effective single target fire attacks to abuse.

This is where my strategy started to come together.  Alice would hopefully soak up most of Youmu's attacks, Sakuya just attacked with a dagger (Reassigned her skill points so she could maximize a dagger's usefulness), and Sanae buffed/healed.

Byakuren and Marisa were absolutely critical to this approach working correctly.  Byakuren buffed herself with Hyper Trigger, then hit Youmu with Unresist on her next turn, then Starfire spam after that.  Starfire didn't have a problem debuffing her MDEF, that's for sure.

Marisa spammed Hellfire on Youmu for ~350-400 dmg and slowly rising from there on.

Once Youmu fell, Byakuren Unresist'd Yuyuko, then smacked her with Starfire to debuff her MDEF.  This is where the MDEF buff makes a difference.  Even when I was using Patchy's Summer Flare on failed attempts, it turned it from a paltry 15-20 dmg, if that, to a whopping 400 or so damage.

For Marisa on my last couple of attempts, this turned her into a machine of destruction.  Passion Blaze could easily do 800-900 dmg to Yuyuko if she had a MATK buff.

From here, I just needed Alice to spam London Dolls to protect someone once the final attack triggered.  Wouldn't take long for that to happen with the damage Marisa was doing after debuffing her MDEF, that's for sure.

In case of emergency, Mokou as my Commander could revive a random singular downed character 3 times.

On my winning attempt, Youmu never used some manner of spellcard to own half my party for once....thank god.

Yuyuko didn't take too long to bring down afterwards.

Final attack...Sakuya survived it as I was planning to have happen...and oh what Sanae survived too how did that happen?  Whatever, I'll take it.

7th stage is opened, final party member acquired.  I think I have an idea who my 7th stage boss will be...I think  :ohdear:.

[Esoterica]

Just curious, what level were you for the Youmu/Yuyuko fight?  I took way more attempts than you did before I finally found my winning strategy of "buff Satori's IND, watch her poison kill both simultaneously in mere turns" with my winning party at level 20 (Satori at 15).

[Anima Zero]

Just curious, what level were you for the Youmu/Yuyuko fight?  I took way more attempts than you did before I finally found my winning strategy of "buff Satori's IND, watch her poison kill both simultaneously in mere turns" with my winning party at level 20 (Satori at 15).

Lv20 for Alice, Sakuya, Sanae, and Byakuren, lv13 for Marisa.  Only reason Marisa was that low is because I was too lazy to train her up any after taking out Patchy (Whom was 21 when I tried it a few times at first), just reassigned her skill points to maximize her damage output.

[Nat Tea]

Is anyone here excellent at image editing? You know, transparency and text fitting and such? Give me a call please!

Also, Garlyle, do we have to automatically assume we should get the two characters in the walkthrough and the vendor passwords too?

[Garlyle]

Is anyone here excellent at image editing? You know, transparency and text fitting and such? Give me a call please!

Also, Garlyle, do we have to automatically assume we should get the two characters in the walkthrough and the vendor passwords too?

No, although it is recommended that you cover where they could be useful during any walkthrough data anyway (For instance, I mention that Byakuren is capable of exploiting Remilia's light weakness, and Mokou for Nitori's fire).  For Labyrinth of Touhou, strategies were always passed around assuming people were making the effort to recruit all possible characters.

If there is one thing I recommend keeping in mind though, it's that even though there's a small cast, it's tempting to make it feel even smaller by only listing, say, for the

Spoiler:

Yuyuko fight, that you'll need Mokou's three-star Commander Spell active to survive

.  Remember that a LOT of people read - and parrot - the sentiments posted on the wiki, but this game isn't so extreme as to force parties, so please try to list multiple possible solutions or strategies for each boss.

I don't think anyone's going to need the code equipment for anything, but if it works as a suggestion, go ahead and put it in anyway.

Also I have heard that at roughly stage 10-12, Byakuren and Mokou become mandatory anyway, or something.

[Esoterica]

I don't think anyone's going to need the code equipment for anything, but if it works as a suggestion, go ahead and put it in anyway.

I'd highly recommend grabbing it, if only for the melon sword and that knife that restores both HP and SP per hit.  The latter alleviates SP issues early on and is great for Sanae; the former can be thrown on your new characters to get them ***EXTRA EXP*** and is great to throw on your commander since they don't need stats outside of bomb count (or IND, depending on your commander).

[trancehime]

Also I have heard that at roughly stage 10-12, Byakuren and Mokou become mandatory anyway, or something.

They aren't mandatory but it will make the party split stages a living hell unless you can somehow handle those stages with a 4-girl party. Which incidentally won't have a commander. :3

[Nat Tea]

Oh this is bad news. From the JP wiki:

>>■ラーニング (Learning)
基本事項 (Basics)

* さとりが攻撃をくらった時に覚える
When Satori receives an attack, she will memorize it.
* 覚えた時はちゃんとラーニングしたと出る
Satori can 'learn' an attack if she memorizes it.
* その攻撃で死んでもラーニング可(覚えたと出てから死ぬ)
Satori can still 'learn' even if she is struck dead by the same attack. (Memorization happens before dying.)
* ダメージ0でもラーニング可
Learning is still possible even if there's no damage.
* アリスのマリオネットパラルがあってもラーニング可
Learning is still possible even when protected by Alice's Marionette Pareil.
* ラーニング後、逃走、全滅をすると消える
Any 'learned' skill will be lost after escaping or a Total Party Kill.
* ラーニング後、逃走や全滅して消えてしまっても再度ラーニング可
Any 'learned' skill lost after escaping or a Total Party Kill may be 'learnt' again.
* 逃走を繰り返して同じ敵と戦い続けてもラーニング可
Learning is still possible even after escaping and reengaging the same enemy multiple times.
* 状態異常時でもラーニング可
Learning is possible even when inflicted with negative status effects.
* 輝夜のヒールは支配、マス・ヒール等は魅了して取得
Kaguya's Heal can be gotten by controlling her, while Mass Heal and the like can be gotten by using 'Charm'
* 技によって必要レベルが決まってる
Each skill has a required level before learning is possible.

現在のバージョン(1.04)では同じ敵の同じスキルは、そのスキルを最初にさとりが受けた時にしかラーニング判定が無い模様
As of the current version (1.04), assuming you are fighting the same enemy using the same skill, Satori can only 'learn' a skill if it's used against her for the very first time.

This might be why it's so hard to learn moves. And also, it might make Satori just not worth the effort to use. Hopefully they change this in the next patch.

BV

[Serela]

fyi, there's a reason it says "assuming you're fighting the same enemy using the same skill", so it means (probably) Satori can only have one chance to learn it per enemy per battle. Which basically just means don't go in with two people and spam Defend for an hour trying to learn something.

At least, in 1.04.

So, skill learning isn't really any harder then it originally seemed. Easier even, maybe, now that we know this.

[Esoterica]

I'm not sure if I've patched at all.  I can already tell I don't want the v1.04 patch, but is there anything significant the others give?

[Think Komachi with a Rifle]

Bug fixes, new icons for all the attacks, so you can tell them apart. Some help thing + signpost at the shrine (hint for getting Byakuren?)

That wasn't necesarily a change it just wasn't explained in the old manual at all.

[Nat Tea]

[Ghaleon]

is that with the beta of some translation patch or is that the defacto base Japanese version? I checked and it looked like they didn't release any half-complete translation patches or anything yet (unless you include the manual) But I look forward to one >=P

[Garlyle]

Choja's responsible for that, actually.  Good to see we can replace the text, although I'd be fine with just an in-game menu/skills/etc translation.

[theshirn]

Choja I will love you forever if you get this done.

[Nat Tea]

Garlyle's pretty right there, but not entirely.

I am responsible for that image, but not the actual hacking of it, perse; I just got the ball rolling on it.

After Catharsis up and left, I got news of an interesting development and decided to forward it to the fairy who was hacking the game.

The rest is history.

[Ghaleon]

Wow, so he finally got fed up with the trolls and quit huh? That's kinda sad. I mean I don't feel like he deserved that flak, but I also don't think he should have taken that kinda crap to heart from nameless fairies, especially when the people who ARE named seemed to be backing him. I'm pretty pissed at them. I haven't really been keeping tabs on these translation efforts though since I'm busy with my own (despite the lack of apparent progress, making it compatible for the xpack is much much more painful than making it from scratch for the original. sighh...).

Anyway, thank you for putting for the effort in doing this you can smile knowing you've helped em sell moar copies >=).

What pisses me off are those backseat better-than-you translators who are like "rah rah rah that says pal you stupid noob not buddy, gawwd!" stfu and make your own translation then. blah. It'd be one thing if they were like "I think I found a typo, but I THINK {insert kanji here} means pal, not buddy", but no, it's rarely like that.

[Nat Tea]

What pisses me off are those backseat better-than-you translators who are like "rah rah rah that says pal you stupid noob not buddy, gawwd!" stfu and make your own translation then. blah. It'd be one thing if they were like "I think I found a typo, but I THINK {insert kanji here} means pal, not buddy", but no, it's rarely like that.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Ghaleon]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

fix't >=P

[Nat Tea]

fix't >=P

Sometimes, I feel like I should keep my mouth shut, but that's not really me.

I'm surprised that hacking the game was easy considering that it's a game programmed by Hachikuma (hi Touhou Soccer!).

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, since

Spoiler:

the fairy who is hacking the game is the one that did thLabyrinth and the source I forwarded the informative breakthrough from was in fact mauve.

[Ghaleon]

That fairy hacks everything. As far as I  know, every fan Touhou game ever translated was hacked by that guy, including Fushigi no gensokyo, which unfortunately was not done translating...Well not TPWEVO, but well, he did TPW, and I yoinked much work from that so...He also didn't do the 1.04-1.07 patch for TPW, but again, many works were permissibly yoinked >=)

[Nat Tea]

That fairy hacks everything. As far as I  know, every fan Touhou game ever translated was hacked by that guy

That's why I shouldn't be surprised~

I'm still a bit peeved on Garlyle's explanation of the walkthrough that everyone should get Mokou, Byakuren, and the vendor passcode items to beat the game. Personally, I'd like to see one that plays through the game normally with picking up Mokou and Byakuren along the story. The game does rely more on gimmick bosses past Stage 2, but the battle dialogue is Japanese, so of course everyone grinds up and brute forces it. That's my opinion though.