Labyrinth of Touhou 5F

[spookedmoose]

or you could take an E00.ngd from a completed save file

Yeah I don't know what that would do, but I'm guessing bad things.

[Esoterica]

Yeah I don't know what that would do, but I'm guessing bad things.

Doubt it'd hurt, that's how I reset character stats.

[spookedmoose]

Doubt it'd hurt, that's how I reset character stats.

Well all the cutscenes would be triggered so no dialog, and I don't know how it would handle (!) encounters (especially Ver.1 -> Ver.2 boss rush)

[Esoterica]

Well all the cutscenes would be triggered so no dialog, and I don't know how it would handle (!) encounters (especially Ver.1 -> Ver.2 boss rush)

One way to find out. BV

[spookedmoose]

One way to find out. BV

I just tested it w/ a complete game file, and the cutscene when you first enter 1F does not trigger. I'm not in a position to test v1 -> v2 battles, assuming that  info is tracked in E00.ngd and not the relevent floor file (D##.ngd)

[Unassuming Squid]

Finally beat Sanae's Foe, and I only lost four party members. Hellz yeah.

Now to level grind for Eientei...

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?1421496h4s1kb78

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[Eilaris]

Oh, I see what's wrong with your stat math already. you're not using the right formula, the right one is the one I posted. It has no "starting value" as a thing in the formula, but is compensated instead by stuff like levelX5(statgrowth) + constant + etc.

Use that one.

Using "starting growth" as a stat isn't accurate because the starting value gets cheated of the 0.02% bonus gained per level..or something, I'm too lazy, but I'm sure it's something like that, just try it >=P.

I figured it would be something like that, yeah.  I'll give it a try later when I've got free time and check it out.

Edit: Okay, messed with it now, and yeah, your formula comes out right on the dot for atk/mag/def/mnd... except for Remilia's ATK, again (but that's closer, this time).  To make sure I'm not plugging in numbers wrong...

(Level+4 * Growth Rate + constant{just take their starting value - level statuprate*5 to get it, I think it's normally 3 though}) * (1+0.02(level-1) + 0.02(times selected stat for level up bonus) + 0.04(skill level - 1) + ItemStats)

So, with that hypothetical level 380 Remilia I mentioned above at base stats...

(380+4 * 16 + (69 - (16 * 5))) * (1 + 0.02(380-1) + 0.02(0) + 0.04(1-1) + 0)

Simplify...

(384 * 16 + -11) * (8.58)
6133 * 8.58 = 52621.14

But, for Remilia, I'm getting an in-game total of 51757.

It works 100% perfectly on all the other characters (and all of Remi's other stats), though, as far as I can tell.  Also, as for decimals, it seems to truncate them generally, although SP doesn't seem to always follow that behavior.

[NEETori]

The first Youmu looks amazing. 

And the first Orin is adorable :3

[RegalStar]

Which set of BGM do you guys perfer, the old ones or the special disk ones?

I mostly perfer the new ones, but Dark A Liar (final boss) to me sounds infinitely better than whatever its replacement is called.

[Axel Ryman]

Some of the old ones like Darkaliar are really good and overshadow the new tracks. Only new tracks I like are the Bloody Seal ones and the 30F boss ones(After that little scary intro they have).

[Barrakketh]

Some of the old ones like Darkaliar are really good and overshadow the new tracks. Only new tracks I like are the Bloody Seal ones and the 30F boss ones(After that little scary intro they have).

The only new ones I really like are Retribution for the Eternal Night, Bloody Seal (don't really care for the organ intro, but the piano and flute are <3), and 20F bosses...Eastern Youkai Beauty isn't bad, but something about the flute bothers me (is it supposed to be a pan flute or something?  I don't remember any of the flutes the band members owned in middle school or high school having the same tone even with mouthpiece angle adjustments) and it could use more "pop".  The Gensokyo tracks are fine (don't really care for Akyu's though because I like the original that much better).  Sleepless Night is okay, but I don't care for the synthy portion otherwise I could bump it up to "like".

Whatever the hell track 00 on the BGM rip is qualifies as terribad IMO, the new track used for the Serpent of Chaos is boring (if the fight wasn't so long I might not have as low of an opinion on it), and the mastering on basically the rest of the tracks is as flat as Remilia (some of the instruments on the Lunatic Princess arrange also remind me of the old QuickTime instruments from the late 90s).

[Ghaleon]

I like the old tracks better in almost every situation except for the kaggy fight. I love the new kaggy remix. I'm quite surprised that nobody else mentions it. Do people really hate her themesong? I think it's one of Zun's best! *shrugs*. Oh, and the "mook" boss themes are good, you know, like ifrit, great stamp, etc.

[Esoterica]

I like the old tracks better in almost every situation except for the kaggy fight. I love the new kaggy remix. I'm quite surprised that nobody else mentions it. Do people really hate her themesong? I think it's one of Zun's best! *shrugs*. Oh, and the "mook" boss themes are good, you know, like ifrit, great stamp, etc.

The original Eientei theme is just too awesome to skip on.

Anyway, Sleepless Night is decent, Bloodstained Seal theme is good too, 18F boss theme's also nice.  Aside from that, originals all the way.

[Ghaleon]

The original Eientei theme is just too awesome to skip on.

Anyway, Sleepless Night is decent, Bloodstained Seal theme is good too, 18F boss theme's also nice.  Aside from that, originals all the way.

I thought the original Eientei theme was pretty bland, boring, and...lame. I think you're just a kaggy hater. Cuz of her skin colour, and her hair colour....Knave.

[Barrakketh]

I thought the original Eientei theme was pretty bland, boring, and...lame.

Which also more or less describes the Special Disc's Lunatic Princess arrangement :3  Any good qualities about it come from the original.

[Ghaleon]

Which also more or less describes the Special Disc's Lunatic Princess arrangement :3  Any good qualities about it come from the original.

That may be so...But the original has a lot of good qualities imo >=P. I find it's one of the more "faithful" remixes of the original, and the original is, as I said, one of Zun's best IMO.

I just get the impression that most people don't like the original very much even. It's all musical tastes so nothing really bugs me, I just find it surprising that Kaggy's theme is so...soo...unmentioned. Not just in Touhou labyrinth, but in all of Touhou. Poor kaggy. she's like in my top 5 character too. The fanboy inside me hurts! hold me ='(

[Unassuming Squid]

Personally, the only songs from the Special Disk that I would easily take over the originals are the town songs, Yukari's fight, Eientei's fight, and whatever song plays when you're fighting the Foes.

18F's theme got all the epicness sucked out of it, the Bloodstained Seal theme is wildly unfitting, the final boss theme is dull, the Plus bosses' theme is much duller than the original, and many of the other battle themes are interchangeable.

I never was a fan of Lunatic Princess, but the LoT arrange has a lot going for it.

[MysTeariousYukari]

I just get the impression that most people don't like the original very much even. It's all musical tastes so nothing really bugs me, I just find it surprising that Kaggy's theme is so...soo...unmentioned. Not just in Touhou labyrinth, but in all of Touhou. Poor kaggy. she's like in my top 5 character too. The fanboy inside me hurts! hold me ='(

Lunatic Princess is good, I don't love it, but I prefer it over about half the songs from IN. Also, you pic indicates you like the Patch-meiset more then Hourai NEET

[Ghaleon]

Lunatic Princess is good, I don't love it, but I prefer it over about half the songs from IN. Also, you pic indicates you like the Patch-meiset more then Hourai NEET

Patchy is top 3... Kaggy is top 5 =)

[Unassuming Squid]

Level grinding, why do you hate me so...

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?48l25sfgxb4axi4

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[Ghaleon]

All the samples look like ass on my phone, but from what I can tell, that last patchy image is going to Own.

[draganuv15]

there really needs to be an easy method for F10-12

I'm in NO position to go through it without an easy method -.-'''

[Axel Ryman]

there really needs to be an easy method for F10-12

I'm in NO position to go through it without an easy method -.-'''

Cheat engine :getdown:

[Pesco]

Cheat engine :getdown:

I endorse this product/service :V

[Ghaleon]

I find the whole ordeal pretty easy now that I know how to do it. I personally feel that 13f is more tedious and time consuming if you want to explore every part.

[Khiash]

Another BP question.
I need 3k BP between (many chars) to take on

Spoiler:

Flandre

, but what exactly does "between" mean? Do I need 3k BP each, or can I have say 2999 for Marisa and 1 for Reimu and it'll be sufficient?

[MysTeariousYukari]

Yep, 2k on one char and 1k on another is fine. The amount they all have needs to add up to 3k.

[Khiash]

Thank you muchly. :V

[RegalStar]

18F is down yay~ Although I did grind to Reimu105 for it (my level up bonus and sklil point plan was kind of botched, and I spent a lot of SP on chars I now never use due to the fact that I was still experimenting with many of them). Tried a few times at Reimu96 and while I probably could've beat him back then, it requires a lot of luck not having key members taking out early in the fight, while at Reimu105 I lost half my nukes before even getting past starting form (I have crappy sense of timing and do not like speed buffers), Minoriko about halfway through  due to forgetting to heal her, most of my other nukes as the fight dragged on (i ended up making Ran attack instead, and having Marisa spark each form once - needless to say, had to play with MYS form twice), and Yukari ended up getting stuck in slot 4 due to TP<2 with her crappy 16% rec. Remilia, who was getting neglected for a while, was awesome towards the end (since I was really, really running out of attackers, and she ended up spearing down the boss by herself).

One last boss to go~ Well, except the bloodstained seals. Should I take out the two I can fight before facing 20F boss?

[MysTeariousYukari]

I'd leave a save before the Bloody Seal bosses, cause I think they are awesome but yes, fight them if you can, the extra Exp helps for Final Boss.