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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #870 on: September 05, 2010, 05:29:11 AM »
She was missing it in the original drawing. Seems to be that parts of her body/clothing are turning into fire.

And no problem. You can repay me by telling me a good level to face Reisen.
Uh, whatever you fought Nitori at I guess.  Reisen seemed extremely easy to me and I hadn't done any additional grindgrindgrind outside of heading for the stairs (didn't even make the effort to explore the floor), so.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #871 on: September 05, 2010, 05:55:11 AM »
And no problem. You can repay me by telling me a good level to face Reisen.

If you can reach her, you're probably strong enough to beat her. Either spam multi-target attacks, or just have Cirno/Reimu use their mass paralysis spell to keep the underlings frozen while you nuke Reisen with your best single-target moves like Megawatt Linear Gun or Silent Selene. Personally, I prefer the latter, since it can earn you her Getitup V drop. The former is probably easier, though, since she'll waste her turns resummoning her underlings.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #872 on: September 05, 2010, 06:44:24 AM »
If you can reach her, you're probably strong enough to beat her. Either spam multi-target attacks, or just have Cirno/Reimu use their mass paralysis spell to keep the underlings frozen while you nuke Reisen with your best single-target moves like Megawatt Linear Gun or Silent Selene. Personally, I prefer the latter, since it can earn you her Getitup V drop. The former is probably easier, though, since she'll waste her turns resummoning her underlings.
I beat Reisen before Nitori.  I did it the hard way for her drop and failed the first time by getting screwed over by her underlings (all mages, stealin' my SP), but managed to pull it off on my second attempt (had all warrior underlings at the start).  This was also 2.04, so Nitori wasn't ZOMG amazing.  No PAR spam was involved, though in hindsight it would've been easier that way :V

I don't remember my level, but I was still within the recommendation range on the wiki.  I always made sure I mapped out every floor except 8, so if you've been exploring you should be okay with some strategy.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #873 on: September 05, 2010, 01:25:23 PM »
The only thing to keep in  mind against Reisen is that, whenever she summons underlings after the first time around, she'll use Mind Starmine the turn after unless she decides to spend that turn summoning more underlings as well. If you can read that attack to perserve your members in time, there's virtually no danger to the battle.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #874 on: September 06, 2010, 06:57:23 PM »
All v2 bosses defeated. Mokou was a bit of a pain due to Slash Dive being able to OHKO anyone except for Meiling, and quite a few of the other more powerful ones degenerated into "ohgod I'm going to die let's just switch in everyone and hope someone survives long enough to kill the boss" mode, but all in all things went pretty well. All that's left to do of the pre-Plus Disk content now is the boss rush (which should probably be pretty easy at Reimu level 180, as long as I'm careful not to get people DTHed) and the final bloodstained seal.

Speaking of the latter; why does Dual Colourful Light have to be so freaking powerful? D: Poor Meiling is having trouble surviving those even with full MND buffs in place, and it doesn't even have an element so that I can resist it... And it doesn't help that the boss in question likes using it far more often than the database's 10% chance would suggest.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #875 on: September 07, 2010, 01:08:53 AM »
Reisen and Nitori both bring me sadness.

So I did some more portraits.
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?nuwmlwzimuqozsd

[attach=1]
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #876 on: September 07, 2010, 04:13:34 AM »
Reisen and Nitori both bring me sadness.

So I did some more portraits.
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?nuwmlwzimuqozsd

[attach=1]

I was going to do that Yukari but I guess I won't now. But I did the Mokou by the same artist. Make sure you bring this Mokou to the fight with
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Bloody Papa
so they can compare threads.

[attach=1 width=110]
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #877 on: September 07, 2010, 04:53:33 AM »
I was going to do that Yukari but I guess I won't now.

Sorry...  :ohdear:

You can put it up anyway. I had some trouble with mine, but yours could easily be better.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #878 on: September 07, 2010, 05:07:50 AM »
Sorry...  :ohdear:

You can put it up anyway. I had some trouble with mine, but yours could easily be better.

I was just joking. Actually the masking layer I started looks almost exactly like your image so there wouldn't be much point. I guess great minds think alike :V

EDIT: Hey if it's okay with you, can I post a different version of the Okuu on the right? I'm going to try to remove the cape background and some of the upper/larger wing while retaining her hair. Maybe try to save the lower wing-thing (or is that hair?) as well.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2010, 05:13:27 AM by spookedmoose »

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #879 on: September 07, 2010, 05:24:04 AM »
Aye, sorry about that. I'm paranoid, as you can tell.

Sure, go ahead. As far as I can tell, her wings in that one are being formed by her hair. But yeah, it'll probably be good to have a couple of different versions in case someone doesn't want a big cape obscuring stuff.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #880 on: September 07, 2010, 07:28:32 AM »
Okay I did my best, but I think the wing might have to go. I want to keep it but I'm not sure if it's covering too much of the screen.
[attach=1 width=110] [attach=2 width=110] [attach=3 width=110]

Gah! I'm going to keep fiddling with it.

EDIT: Okay, here's what I ended up with:
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« Last Edit: September 07, 2010, 09:11:36 AM by spookedmoose »

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #881 on: September 07, 2010, 06:55:10 PM »
Bah, I can't beat Suwako.

Thanks to Komachi I can Poison and Paraylze her while decreasing her Mind and Speed, but she still manages to own me.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #882 on: September 08, 2010, 01:40:05 AM »
Bah, I can't beat Suwako.

Thanks to Komachi I can Poison and Paraylze her while decreasing her Mind and Speed, but she still manages to own me.
Suwako I found easy (I ran into her without expecting it at all and tore her apart my first try), so I'm still not sure why people have trouble, but here.

She follows a pretty strict pattern.

She starts out in "Physical" mode.  Her Physical defense is twice as high as her magical defense during this phase, and she uses single-target attacks during this phase.  The fifth attack in this phase is Croaking Frog Eaten By Snake, used on the frontmost character.
After, her next turn will put her in "Magical" mode, where her defenses flip.  She now uses multi-target magic spells for four turns, then finishes off with a final casting of Mishaguji-Sama on the fifth.  Rinse and repeat.

Knowing this should help.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #883 on: September 08, 2010, 02:45:08 AM »
Just for fun, who's the save file portrait for you guys? For me it's Remilia.

EDIT: Also, a genuine question - which floor is the best hunting ground for Ring of Hades for Yuyuko?

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #884 on: September 08, 2010, 02:53:32 AM »
Enemy Drop: 6F 7F, 8F, 10F, 11F, 15F

Not sure which enemies though. I say whichever ones you can clear easily in one attack.

Edit: Currently lies, I know who drops it

6F: Wraith

7F: Mirage

8F: Reappear-ition

10F and 11F: Hammer Shark

11F: Dark Element

15F: Spectre

So far, your best bet is to fight the Spectre(4% drop rate) or the Wraith or Mirage(3.91% for both).
« Last Edit: September 08, 2010, 02:58:59 AM by Axel Ryman »

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #885 on: September 08, 2010, 03:06:23 AM »
Just for fun, who's the save file portrait for you guys? For me it's Remilia.
On my first save file it was Ran for a good portion of the game, then changed to Tenshi on 16F.

On my newer one it was
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Maribel
at first, then switched to "Shizuha" (actually Minoriko).  I'm expecting Sanae to take over soon.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #886 on: September 08, 2010, 03:39:31 AM »
I found that in 7F, in the area where the stair going up is located in is the best spot. About every other battle has at least one Mirage in it, and there're also a decent number of Mesmerized Knowledges which drop Forbidden Tablets with 16 DTH res (albeit at 7/1024 rate...). Well theoritically anyways, I've done a hundred battles or so and have yet to see either...

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #887 on: September 08, 2010, 06:08:03 AM »
Finally found out why Nitori kept owning my party. I had several peoples' fire affinity in the 15-22 range, while their cold affinity was usually 2-5. Managed to beat her with four members left after upping my cold affinity to match my fire affinity.

So, to celebrate, I made portraits of all the Pocket Wars portraits.
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?7u3k0ccabdaezna

And I did three more normal portraits.
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?qy29ync8udlddaj
[attach=1]

Now on to Reisen again...
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #888 on: September 08, 2010, 06:46:49 AM »
Anyone have a recommended level for last boss v2?  Berserk does 10k+  to Tenshi w/ 20k+ in both defenses, 175 Mystic res and full buffs :\
Although damage is not a problem.

Also - is floor 24 basically 14f of the plus disk?

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #889 on: September 08, 2010, 07:54:44 PM »
Suwako I found easy (I ran into her without expecting it at all and tore her apart my first try), so I'm still not sure why people have trouble, but here.

She follows a pretty strict pattern.

She starts out in "Physical" mode.  Her Physical defense is twice as high as her magical defense during this phase, and she uses single-target attacks during this phase.  The fifth attack in this phase is Croaking Frog Eaten By Snake, used on the frontmost character.
After, her next turn will put her in "Magical" mode, where her defenses flip.  She now uses multi-target magic spells for four turns, then finishes off with a final casting of Mishaguji-Sama on the fifth.  Rinse and repeat.

Knowing this should help.

How much HP does she have? I managed to chip of 130k but I ended up losing.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #890 on: September 08, 2010, 08:06:16 PM »
How much HP does she have? I managed to chip of 130k but I ended up losing.
188k.  Not kidding.  It is significantly more than any other boss you could've fought up to that point.

She's FIR-weak (Knockout in Three Steps during her magical phase will wreck her badly), but resistant (30-50%) against MYS, CLD, and NTR.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #891 on: September 08, 2010, 08:08:36 PM »
How much HP does she have? I managed to chip of 130k but I ended up losing.
According to the wiki, 188k. 

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #892 on: September 08, 2010, 08:11:16 PM »
188k.  Not kidding.  It is significantly more than any other boss you could've fought up to that point.

She's FIR-weak (Knockout in Three Steps during her magical phase will wreck her badly), but resistant (30-50%) against MYS, CLD, and NTR.

Ah geez, I wasn't even close. >_O

I actually used that move, but the problem is that Suwako constantly knocks out Yuugi, so I have to use Alice, Patchy, Marisa and Komachi. Komachi is really valuable because I can cripple Suwako's stats as well as poison or paralyze her.

Either that or I have to grind again...

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #893 on: September 08, 2010, 08:18:18 PM »
Ah geez, I wasn't even close. >_O

I actually used that move, but the problem is that Suwako constantly knocks out Yuugi, so I have to use Alice, Patchy, Marisa and Komachi. Komachi is really valuable because I can cripple Suwako's stats as well as poison or paralyze her.

Either that or I have to grind again...
Yuuugi shouldn't have any problems with attacks like Moriya's Iron Ring, but you're definitely going to want to hide her during the magic phase.  Froggy Braves the Elements and Mishaguji-sama will both one-shot her, and she can't hide in the back row from those.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #894 on: September 08, 2010, 08:23:59 PM »
Ah geez, I wasn't even close. >_O

I actually used that move, but the problem is that Suwako constantly knocks out Yuugi, so I have to use Alice, Patchy, Marisa and Komachi. Komachi is really valuable because I can cripple Suwako's stats as well as poison or paralyze her.

Either that or I have to grind again...

Try replacing Marisa, due to Suwako's MYS resistance.  Of course, I can't think of anyone to replace her with at the moment.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #895 on: September 08, 2010, 08:26:09 PM »
Yuuugi shouldn't have any problems with attacks like Moriya's Iron Ring, but you're definitely going to want to hide her during the magic phase.  Froggy Braves the Elements and Mishaguji-sama will both one-shot her, and she can't hide in the back row from those.

Yea, those attacks did me in. My starters are Remilia, Meiling, Iku and Patchy.  I use Iku to charge up Patchy to 100%, Remilia to attack for damage and Mei to heal Patchy if she ends up getting paralyzed. Then I switch out Meiling to Reimu and use Hakurei Border to increase everyone's defenses. I'd sometimes take out Komachi to weaken, paralyze and poison Suwako, then switch her out to recover her SP. Then to add extra damage, I bring out Yuugi, Marisa (for a single Master Spark, then I switch her out) and Sakuya.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #896 on: September 08, 2010, 08:32:11 PM »
While Remi definitely contributes much better damage than Meiling, I think you might do better if you sacrifice some of your damage output and leave Meiling in full time in the first slot as a tank. 


Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #897 on: September 08, 2010, 08:42:01 PM »
Yea, those attacks did me in. My starters are Remilia, Meiling, Iku and Patchy.  I use Iku to charge up Patchy to 100%, Remilia to attack for damage and Mei to heal Patchy if she ends up getting paralyzed. Then I switch out Meiling to Reimu and use Hakurei Border to increase everyone's defenses. I'd sometimes take out Komachi to weaken, paralyze and poison Suwako, then switch her out to recover her SP. Then to add extra damage, I bring out Yuugi, Marisa (for a single Master Spark, then I switch her out) and Sakuya.
Start with Meiling, Yuugi, Reimu, and Patchy.  Have Reimu buff, everyone else does damage.  After Croaking Frog, switch Yuugi for Iku and have her buff Patch.  When Reimu runs out of SP, switch her for another nuker and have Iku buff them too.  At some point you can swap Iku for Komachi for some good ol' debuffing.

Figure it out from there, I have to go.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #898 on: September 08, 2010, 10:25:26 PM »
It turned out worse than before. I was only able to do about 92k before she danmaku'ed me to [Makai] hell.

Argh, I like Suwako but for the love of Kanako I cannot beat her. >_O Even buffing her down doesn't work. The problem is that her party-wide attacks severely injures my gals and I cannot repair them fast enough to prepare for the next attack Suwako throws. I only get lucky if she uses a single target attack.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #899 on: September 08, 2010, 10:36:00 PM »
If that's the case, then just move on for the moment, and explore for a bit.  A couple levels and some skill points never hurt.  I struggled with Suwako when I first got to her as well.  Mishaguji maimed basically everyone but Meiling and Komachi