Labyrinth of Touhou 5F

[spookedmoose]

More portraits, especially lots of Froggy

[draganuv15]

Pesco when I try to use your ver 3 cheat table it shows random numbers and doesn't work how do I fix it?

[Pesco]

The cheat table I put up is compatible for XP only. If you are using XP, try adding 0001000 to an address and see if it works. If it still doesn't work, then we'll need to see a screenshot.

[Parallaxal]

On phone, mathing is hard pardon me.

I am pretty sure the speed multiplier is the:
0.02(level bonus) + 0.04(skill level) + (equipment) + 0.02(lvl -1)

If that's correct (and I believe it is, except for skill level; isn't skill level usually 0.03?), then there's something wrong with the growth rate multiplier. It can't be level/32, because that won't give correct values at higher levels. I'm going to have to calculate this one again later with characters at 500+.

Also keep in mind
100spd->200spd->400spd->700spd->1100spd
Also keep an eye out for the enemystats excel spreadsheet. It has  accurate speed values on all the enemies, same formula as the player. Not like that database.

Yeah, I use the excel spreadsheet for enemy SPD already. Very, very helpful.

[draganuv15]

if i get your e-mail adress I can post it to you, coz i don't know how to submit images here  :3

[spookedmoose]

if i get your e-mail adress I can post it to you, coz i don't know how to submit images here  :3

Upload your screenshot to an image hosting site (ImageShack or Imgur) and then copy the image link into a post here.

EDIT: Also you should double check that you're using at least Cheat Engine v5.6.1 because it seems that older versions have problems with the game.

[draganuv15]

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/43/piceq.png

Here it is and yes I have the latest version

Please do not use image tags on images over 640x480.

[Ghaleon]

You prob know/ tried it... But try running touhou labyrinth WITHOUT applocale just for cheating purposes (or so it with it on if you normally don't) .

[spookedmoose]

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Here it is and yes I have the latest version

I see CE v5.5 in that screenshot. Try downloading v5.6.1 and see if that helps before we start adding to memory address and all that.

EDIT: Also make sure you're using the correct table, the one for Special Disk 3.01 [Not the one for Plus Disk 2.04]

[Pesco]

I'm using 5.5, it's not CE causing the messup.

[spookedmoose]

I'm using 5.5, it's not CE causing the messup.

Well that's good to know at least. I forgot to ask YellowYoshi what version he was using that didn't work.

Pesco when I try to use your ver 3 cheat table it shows random numbers and doesn't work how do I fix it?

Here's some step-by-step pictures to get your current SKP pool value and address (we'll use this memory address to recalculate the table)

Run the game and load a save, then go to Library

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Double-click on the cheat table file to open CE

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[RainfallYoshi]

I had CE 5.5 when the cheat tables (I tried all the different ones that have been made) refused to work. If it helps, I'm running Windows 7 as well. My problems were fixed when I updated to CE 5.6.1 and used the latest table for Special Disk.

[draganuv15]

ok first i'll see if Ghaleon's right then I'll try everything else, ok cya!  :3

EDIT: Ghaleon was right! I always run japanese stuff with applocale, but I didn't run it with applocale and all the numbers were at 0!
(except time which was at 41)

so anyway thx for suggestions and great thanks to Ghaleon.

[Savory]

I didn't know you could change the images like that. 

[FantomFang]

I just tested to be sure of it myself, and yes, you get 100% experience w/party members in reserve and in active party. Which is so nice (Old news I'm sure, but I just had to see the evidence myself  :V). Nothing like letting my Tankish characters get full exp for random battles that they are less useful in.

In related news, I had a question to direct at Paralaxxal, and I guess anyone else who is familiar with the Etrian Odyssey series: I ended up picking up the 2nd game (the only one I could find at my local game stores) and have been looking into some basic information about it. Specifically though, I was wondering how you would compare the difficulty present in that game to this one, or perhaps such games as FFT or SMT P3 FES, which were some of the more difficult RPGs I've played, or so I reckon. What do you think?

[Parallaxal]

Uh...I honestly don't have that much experience with the Etrian Odyssey series, and can't really answer your question.

[The Greatest Dog]

If you're comfortable with the Answer/Hard mode in P3FES, you'll find a good challenge but nothing off the wall.

[FantomFang]

@Para

Oh, oops then. I had assumed based on the title of the thread that introduced your Let's Play that you were knowledgeable about the series. Sorry 'bout that.

@Fox

That's good to know. I never got to the Answer though (I have yet to finish the game, stopped not because of difficulty but because the story was not interesting me enough at the time, I got about 50% of the way through I think though. I should go back eventually though, I almost always do). But on that note, would you agree in saying that alot of the difficulty comes in the preparation (or lack there-of) stage, as I remember that bosses that would be incredibly difficult otherwise in P3 were simplified by training a special persona for the occasion.

[Esoterica]

I found EO2 notably harder than Labyrinth starting out, but it became fairly manageable after getting a few floors in.  The difficulty's definitely higher, but it's nothing impossible.

EO1 I've heard ranges from "absurdly difficult" to "why am I even trying to play this" difficulties though, particularly on the last stratum where pretty much everything can inflict Instant Death.

[trancehime]

EO1 I've heard ranges from "absurdly difficult" to "why am I even trying to play this" difficulties though, particularly on the last stratum where pretty much everything can inflict Instant Death.

Spoiler:

Primevil, anyone?

Learn2Immunize, that is my advice for that. Seriously Immunize trivializes most seemingly hard aspects of EO1, it almost seemed intentional.

[Esoterica]

Spoiler:

Primevil, anyone?

Learn2Immunize, that is my advice for that. Seriously Immunize trivializes most seemingly hard aspects of EO1, it almost seemed intentional.

I've only played EO2, and got cut short on that from my DS going kaput, so :V

[MysTeariousYukari]

More portraits, especially lots of Froggy

*Plenty of pics*

Ok, out of all those pics, one of them looks like KOS-MOS. Who is that pic meant for, Kanako?

[spookedmoose]

Ok, out of all those pics, one of them looks like KOS-MOS. Who is that pic meant for, Kanako?

I don't always have a character in mind when I edit an image, but I was actually thinking of Komachi. KOS-MOS is a STR based PHYS attacker who has a scythe weapon (F-SCYTHE), an instant death skill (Gate), and a multitude of debuff skills, including a multi-target debuff for gnosis (Hilbert Effect). Gnosis are also virtually invincible without being affected by the Hilbert Effect, and who can be relied upon to kill virtually anything? Komachi, The Laziest Shinigami. Tack on the fact that (Xenosaga III spoiler)

Spoiler:

Gnosis are the souls of all who died since creation and who crave release from existence (or rebirth)

and KOS-MOS fits surprisingly well.

She could also be used for Okuu due to her vast array of powerful fire (CANNON, A-BURST, NEMESIS) and beam (R-CANNON, X-BUSTER, Satellite) weaponry and skills. Her most powerful skill (D-TENERITAS) is a phase transfer cannon mounted in her chest between and slightly above her breasts. KOS-MOS also has a history of going completely insane.

EDIT1: Don't ask about the Banana Seal
EDIT2: Actually I think F-SCYTHE was Ether-type damage but whatever~

[Ghaleon]

I find the difficulty in Touhou labyrinth to be just plain better. Is better harder? is it easier? It's complicated...

As Trance already stated, immunize (and fortify IIRC...Immunice moreso though, both..lol) makes the game go from zomg I'm being 1-shot by this boss' weakest attacks! to Zomg I can kill the boss before needing to heal a single time because I'm taking so little damage! Even excluding those two moves, each class generally has some skills that are just so much more superior than their alternatives. So basically both EO 1 and 2 are massively harder than Touhou Labyrinth until you reach that threshold of "getting the good skills" for each of your character (generally you just need 1 for 2+ of your characters in your party before the difficulty goes from omgwtfhard to normal, and shortly after that it's a total snorefest).

EO2 doesn't suffer from "power skills" nearly as much as EO1, but it's definately the same situation, extremely difficult at the start, moderate afterwards, then pretty quickly it becomes really damn easy.

EO also has post-game content that is scaled for the level caps pretty much, but I can't really comment much on that. Seems that after I beat the game, I dip my feet into the post game content and it still remains too easy IMO. The super mega final bosses are notoriously hard, but from w hat I hear it's not real difficulty so much as you MUST follow this EXACT strategy to win, which really doesn't sound like much fun to me.

They are definately worth trying though, I think they are pretty fun until you get near the level caps to be honest.

[FantomFang]

I find the difficulty in Touhou labyrinth to be just plain better. Is better harder? is it easier? It's complicated...

As Trance already stated, immunize (and fortify IIRC...Immunice moreso though, both..lol) makes the game go from zomg I'm being 1-shot by this boss' weakest attacks! to Zomg I can kill the boss before needing to heal a single time because I'm taking so little damage! Even excluding those two moves, each class generally has some skills that are just so much more superior than their alternatives. So basically both EO 1 and 2 are massively harder than Touhou Labyrinth until you reach that threshold of "getting the good skills" for each of your character (generally you just need 1 for 2+ of your characters in your party before the difficulty goes from omgwtfhard to normal, and shortly after that it's a total snorefest).

EO2 doesn't suffer from "power skills" nearly as much as EO1, but it's definately the same situation, extremely difficult at the start, moderate afterwards, then pretty quickly it becomes really damn easy.

EO also has post-game content that is scaled for the level caps pretty much, but I can't really comment much on that. Seems that after I beat the game, I dip my feet into the post game content and it still remains too easy IMO. The super mega final bosses are notoriously hard, but from w hat I hear it's not real difficulty so much as you MUST follow this EXACT strategy to win, which really doesn't sound like much fun to me.

They are definately worth trying though, I think they are pretty fun until you get near the level caps to be honest.

That sums up a lot of what I've read about the games. EO1 it was Defender + Immunize (due to the way defense was calculated in the formulas there, Immunize was ridiculous. I think it's still in EO2 in some form, but because they changed the way that formula worked it's not nearly as broken). EO2, from what I've read on the GameSpot boards, can be a total snorefest if you abuse certain combinations (I've read things about Revenger Hexers being ridiculous, although me still not understanding the system yet makes it hard to qualify. Darn sister getting FF4 when I got EO2 so I couldn't borrow her DS...  :V). That being said, it seems that while EO2 is a bit easier, it's a lot less rigid in party makeup, which is fun.

[spookedmoose]

Good Girl Update

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[NEETori]

Uh, hi.  I'm new to the forums (and relatively new to the series, and this game)  :blush:

Anyways, 18f is beating me to a pulp.  ALL THE TIME.  And I was wondering if I could get some help with the strategy.
Currently: Reimu 95?ish

Team:
Reimu - heal + barrier
Marisa - Spark Spirit form OR last form
Froggy - Croaking Frog for Wind form, Iron Rings for Spirit form
NEET - Hourai Barrage for last form and Mystic form
Yuugi - 1 or 2hko the cold form with KOi3S
Suika - Throwing Atlas lolol for Nature Form
Boobmonster - barrier spam.  Seriously.  I guess for taking 0s from Start of Heavenly Demise helps too :3
Remi - durable damage dealer
Tenshi - not dying
China - not dying/status healing
Iku - Stickleback and possible damage against Nature form, if Suika doesn't 1 or 2 shot it
Patchy - Royal Flare for Cold form, Selene for everything else

[Barrakketh]

I'm seeing a serious lack of Nitori in that lineup.

[Pesco]

I don't see a dedicated healer either

[NEETori]

I'm seeing a serious lack of Nitori in that lineup.

Oops.  Forgot to mention version 2.04  :derp:
Although I'd love to Linear Gun the crap out of him

I don't see a dedicated healer either

Reimu for the most part.  Boobmonster is covering the defense buffing, but should I drop someone for Sanae or Minoriko, and possibly grind?