Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F  (Read 213232 times)

Ghaleon

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #630 on: August 19, 2010, 07:29:11 PM »
Turned out it was the one leading to the last of the 3 items I needed to fight
Spoiler:
Yuka
and recruit her.
Btw, is 190 looking good enough enough for the Final Boss ver. 2? Is she easier or harder than the other sigil guardians?

I honestly don't know, she's pretty on-par with with them on my last playthru.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #631 on: August 19, 2010, 08:22:51 PM »
Roughly 230 should be good for FInal Boss Ver.2 if I remember right.

Really, once you can manage to take out the top add in the new v2 fight, you should be golden. Yay Kaguya.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #632 on: August 19, 2010, 08:32:02 PM »
Hrm. Guess it's time to grind a bit then, as I'm not quite ready for the sigils and have basically hit my limit in floor exploration (Floor 25 seems a bit too nasty and would block off access until I beat the guardians anyways, so i guess I'll go get a 10-20 levels from F24 until I hit 200-210.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #633 on: August 19, 2010, 09:42:54 PM »
I don't recall the exp for floor 24, but floor 20 is actually better in terms of raw exp than floors 21-23 oddly enough. It may also be faster than 24 depending on how quickly you're clearing the trash.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #634 on: August 19, 2010, 10:16:28 PM »
24 is better than 20 from what I've seen, the higher enemy density + better exp rewards make it nice, and the only truly annoying/difficult enemies are the lantern ghosts b/c of their minor paralysis resistance. I can outspeed the strategists with Aya, Kaguya takes down the beefcakes and the high defenses enemies, and Suwako/Patchy come in to sweep the lantern ghosts while Reimu uses her PAR every battle. No probs, I just retreat after the rare battles where their attacks get through to ravage me  :V

EDIT: Grr. I'm Reimu 210 now, and ready to try the Baal Avatar on for size, but his Demon-Slashing Dance keeps killing my Off-Tanks (Ran, 18F). I suppose I may have to use Youmu there, as she might be the only one with enough HP and defense to survive it despite being one of my physical Nukers.

EDIT 2: After losing to him several more times, and reallocating equipment to improve my DEF over MND on my Off-Tanks, I think I've realized the main issue I have with this boss: I physically can't keep up in the damage race once it starts. He always seems to run over a nuker or two, which leaves me without enough juice to make it to the end of his life bar. Grrrr.
« Last Edit: August 20, 2010, 04:33:42 AM by FantomFang »

Ghaleon

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #635 on: August 20, 2010, 04:57:52 AM »
24 is better than 20 from what I've seen, the higher enemy density + better exp rewards make it nice, and the only truly annoying/difficult enemies are the lantern ghosts b/c of their minor paralysis resistance. I can outspeed the strategists with Aya, Kaguya takes down the beefcakes and the high defenses enemies, and Suwako/Patchy come in to sweep the lantern ghosts while Reimu uses her PAR every battle. No probs, I just retreat after the rare battles where their attacks get through to ravage me  :V

EDIT: Grr. I'm Reimu 210 now, and ready to try the Baal Avatar on for size, but his Demon-Slashing Dance keeps killing my Off-Tanks (Ran, 18F). I suppose I may have to use Youmu there, as she might be the only one with enough HP and defense to survive it despite being one of my physical Nukers.

EDIT 2: After losing to him several more times, and reallocating equipment to improve my DEF over MND on my Off-Tanks, I think I've realized the main issue I have with this boss: I physically can't keep up in the damage race once it starts. He always seems to run over a nuker or two, which leaves me without enough juice to make it to the end of his life bar. Grrrr.

Even after having a nuker-heavy party this playthru, I have to say that the level reccommendation for that boss still seemed pretty low. The 22 floor sigil guardian is a joke in comparison

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #636 on: August 20, 2010, 05:12:25 AM »
Para's video of that boss makes it seem like just a long grind if you gear up to resist the status effects.
But yeah, I've sort of been coming to that conclusion myself. I got a couple more levels by finishing up my exploration of 25F (all that's not blocked off right now, at least) and discovered that while it's still not easy, I can consistently takes most of the enemy groupings, so I might be able to grind faster if it becomes necessary. I'm going to go give that 22F guardian a few shots, and if I can beat him I'll surely be strong enough after exploring the newly opened up areas. I hope.  :derp:

Parallaxal

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #637 on: August 20, 2010, 05:17:29 AM »
Yeah, 22F boss is really just one long, tedious fight with little danger but lots of annoying status effects and that SP drain move. It's long but never interesting, because nothing really changes even when the boss gets low on health. It doesn't even use any self-buffs to make itself more dangerous, like 25F sigil guardian does.

In fact, it's so boring that I've been staring at my video of it for quite a while now, stuck trying to think of dialogue to fill 11 minutes of a boring boss fight. That's why I haven't updated my Let's Play with it this week, because I'm still not sure what to write.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #638 on: August 20, 2010, 05:38:53 AM »
Yeah, 22F boss is really just one long, tedious fight with little danger but lots of annoying status effects and that SP drain move. It's long but never interesting, because nothing really changes even when the boss gets low on health. It doesn't even use any self-buffs to make itself more dangerous, like 25F sigil guardian does.

In fact, it's so boring that I've been staring at my video of it for quite a while now, stuck trying to think of dialogue to fill 11 minutes of a boring boss fight. That's why I haven't updated my Let's Play with it this week, because I'm still not sure what to write.

Hehe, I can understand that. I just fought him, with no specific preparations beyond assigning 4 people to eat the Destroy Magic (18F, Aya, Youmu, and Iku for me). Beat him my 1st try too, only deaths coming to the Stygian Ferry when it was used on my non-tanks w/only 10-20 DTH resist. Was pretty pathetic all and all, but I did have a beautiful DPSer in Kaguya and her 500-700k Hourai Barrages (only 300-400k unbuffed like it was at the end, since the sniped characters were Ran and Iku).

I guess now I can go explore everything that's opened up and then go say hi to Baal Avatar again after that.

Honestly though Para, I wouldn't even bother doing dialogue for that fight, you can probably just glance over it in your Let's Play and move on to the Fire boss that you beat w/out PAR on that dare. As you said, that fight was completely boring, so there's not much to say.  ;)

Ghaleon

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #639 on: August 20, 2010, 06:23:51 AM »
I believe a proper dialogue befitting the ease of the fight, and the nerdiness demands for a lets play would be something like

"LOL ZZZ EZ!"

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #640 on: August 20, 2010, 07:46:58 AM »
FINALLY beat that mofo, Reimu 215. Heavily customized my gear to maximize my defenses, and finally properly executed my strategy. I used Ran/Iku to buff up my Nukers, mainly keeping those that were fragile (Kaguya, Suwako) out of harm's way for the first half of the battle while my slower/tougher nukers (Youmu, Patchy) slowly damaged him until he got right before the breaking point. I abused Reimu also for the buffs to maximize my defenses going into the final portion where I knew I would not have time to buff. Another thing to note: I had Aya at like 80% SPD buff going in also, so that she could help me guys jump in and out and lightning speed, increasing their lifespan in the face of the steadily increasing speed and power of the boss.

In the end, the boss used a couple silence clouds while in berserk mode (yay!) and Suwako/Kaguya among others wreaked havoc with full buffs and SPD buffed switchers getting them in and out. I sacrificed some of the now useless characters (Iku, for example) to soak a hit in the first slot and save Meiling's HP for the later more dangerous hits. From there, I ended up beating him with a good part of my party left alive. Ironically enough, this was the one battle where I had someone sniped at the beginning (double slash to 3rd Rank Alice killing her). 18F was a champ as usual, starting off the berserk mode with Military Rule and then managing to survive the entire onslaught, assisting in switching my nukers in and out. Thank god that boss is dead  :V

TL;DR;
Baal Avatar finally dies; may he rest in pieces

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #641 on: August 20, 2010, 11:09:33 AM »
Halp, I'm supposed to be playing the game but I can't stop making these things!



Garlyle

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #642 on: August 20, 2010, 11:49:51 AM »
oh my god that chen

oh my god that's incredible

i can't stop laughing oh god i can't breathe

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #643 on: August 20, 2010, 12:24:47 PM »
No party is complete without this, the mightiest of all Chens

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #644 on: August 20, 2010, 01:51:57 PM »
Ooh, I like the second Alice on the bottom.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #645 on: August 20, 2010, 08:17:08 PM »
Hmm, time to fight the last of the sigil guardians: Agastobrauma
I'm wondering right now though: If properly inoculated against status effects, do you really need to be that much stronger than what was needed for the other sigil guardians? I figure I can take him on now if I'm prepared, from the looks of it.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #646 on: August 20, 2010, 08:28:46 PM »
Holy crap is that cowgirl Yuka? You win the internet my good friend.

Garlyle

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #647 on: August 20, 2010, 08:50:41 PM »
Once you've packed them all up, spookedmoose, you should upload them somewhere.

Parallaxal

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #648 on: August 20, 2010, 09:00:40 PM »
Hmm, time to fight the last of the sigil guardians: Agastobrauma
I'm wondering right now though: If properly inoculated against status effects, do you really need to be that much stronger than what was needed for the other sigil guardians? I figure I can take him on now if I'm prepared, from the looks of it.

It's not much harder than the other Sigil guardians (maybe even easier than the Baal Avatar). You do need ailment resistance, and preferably some way of handling it when it uses Strengthen Jutsu. Debuffs are your friend here; it has horrible debuff resistance.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #649 on: August 20, 2010, 09:22:13 PM »
It's not much harder than the other Sigil guardians (maybe even easier than the Baal Avatar). You do need ailment resistance, and preferably some way of handling it when it uses Strengthen Jutsu. Debuffs are your friend here; it has horrible debuff resistance.

Yeah, I noticed in your video that Discarder was perfect for destroying that boss, both for its element and for its debuffs. Problem is, my party's only access to debuffs is in the form of Alice. I might need to bring in another character if I want to take on the boss at a lower level, because he was ripping through me at my current lvl (216-218, somewhere in there).

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #650 on: August 20, 2010, 10:55:11 PM »
Once you've packed them all up, spookedmoose, you should upload them somewhere.
Seriously, I want the second Alice on the bottom.

Barrakketh

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #651 on: August 21, 2010, 12:13:56 AM »
I finally cleared 12F, and I have to say that 51 felt like a low level to beat it. 
Spoiler:
Kaguya
was able to one-shot several characters depending on which attack she used and who was out, and I got wiped a couple of times by the two remaining bosses using their "ultimate" attacks simultaneously (Mind Starmine might be the preferred attack to get hit by, but when it's followed by an Astronomical Entombing it feels like the correct course of action is :colonveeplusalpha:).

Luckily I managed to have both of them paralyzed when she was finished off and was able to keep
Spoiler:
Eirin
mostly locked down for the time she had left.  Also, I didn't use
Spoiler:
Tenshi
, who I haven't even leveled up since recruiting :V


What's the current spoiler policy for characters?  I think most people are too anal-retentive about it and only really see 16F, 18F, and 20F as "real" spoilers, but I need a list so I can automate spoilering character names in posts because it makes posting here annoying.
Cheating? I cannot even wrap my head around the point of it. Wouldn't you know you had cheated? How on Earth could you maintain crisp certainty of your superiority to all others? And if you're unable to do that, what's the point of anything?

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #652 on: August 21, 2010, 12:18:22 AM »
Seriously, I want the second Alice on the bottom.

Sorry! I didn't see your earlier post or I would have upped it last night. Link to just the GitS Alice Mediafire

Once you've packed them all up, spookedmoose, you should upload them somewhere.

I didn't think anyone else wanted them, I've just been making them because... uh touhou addiction I guess. Except Chen of course, because who wouldn't want that Chen? Do you guys want me to include the source pictures along with the charagraphs? Because it dramatically increases the file size, and if nobody wants them anyway I'll just up the edits.

Here's what I've got done so far (note Missile Nitori to commemorate her upgrade)
EDIT: Updated Link: Mediafire
« Last Edit: August 26, 2010, 06:15:33 AM by spookedmoose »

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #653 on: August 21, 2010, 12:20:20 AM »
18F and possibly 16F are the only ones anyone really cares about. Most people here know about the two people with SMT Debilitate and Overflowing Natural Power or whatnot, so I don't think it's necessary to spoiler that.

Aside from that, you either know ahead of time what characters are in the Plus Disk portion or... Well, you haven't gone far enough to need to look up character growths to plan ahead.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #654 on: August 21, 2010, 12:38:52 AM »
Sorry! I didn't see your earlier post or I would have upped it last night. Link to just the GitS Alice Mediafire
Awesome, thanks.

Now I have to start using Alice again. :derp:

Barrakketh

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #655 on: August 21, 2010, 01:10:48 AM »
Aside from that, you either know ahead of time what characters are in the Plus Disk portion or... Well, you haven't gone far enough to need to look up character growths to plan ahead.
To be quite honest, you don't really need to look most of those up until you actually get the characters and if you don't scroll around too much it's possible to not get spoiled too much.

That, and character growths tend to be somewhat misleading.  While conventional wisdom says that you should focus your points on a character's naturally strong stats, in practice what you see most people recommending is to focus on one, maybe two stats for a lot of characters that aren't going to be in either the first or second slot.  For instance, Nitori gets ATK, ATK, and some more ATK.  I hope new players reading this thread are managing things to have her switched out before the enemy gets its turn :V
Cheating? I cannot even wrap my head around the point of it. Wouldn't you know you had cheated? How on Earth could you maintain crisp certainty of your superiority to all others? And if you're unable to do that, what's the point of anything?

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #656 on: August 21, 2010, 02:17:47 AM »
Speaking of builds, Alice should be pure MAG, right?  It should probably be obvious, but after hearing about pure MND Patchy my world feels flipped upside down. :derp:

Ghaleon

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #657 on: August 21, 2010, 02:24:26 AM »
Probably depends mostly on if you have alternative nukers and how many. But I rekon Alice is pretty safe to spec either way. Just don't expect decent damage against endgame bosses using anything but return inanimateness.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #658 on: August 21, 2010, 02:30:05 AM »
Or when using Return Inanimateness against anything not weak to fire, for that matter. Around the end of the maingame I start noticing her damage falling behind, and in Plus-Disk her output just seems awful compared to my other choices :\ S'why I'll replace her after the Yuka fight, where she should be useful due to FIR weakness.
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Ghaleon

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F
« Reply #659 on: August 21, 2010, 02:33:30 AM »
Even on non fire weak enemies I find her damage using return inanimateness to be pretty satisfactory for how beefy she is. Just don't expect her to be doing atk-based nitori or yuugi damage. I mean it wont impress anybody but it's very viable to beat the game with relative ease at regular levels IMO.