Labyrinth of Touhou 5F

[Axel Ryman]

Base Stats
Standard Stats
Stat    L1 Stat (Growth)    Rating
HP    124 (16)    A
SP    102 (16)    B
ATK    83 (16)    S
DEF    51 (10)    S
MAG    62 (12)    B
MND    51 (10)    B
SPD    100 (11)    A
EVA    2 (3)    C
   
Ailment Resistances
Ailment    Resistance    Rating
PSN    15    C
PAR    15    C
SIL    15    C
DTH    15    C
StatDrop    15    C
Total    75    B


TP    2    F
SP Recovery    6%    F

Elemental Resistances   
Element    Affinity    Rating
FIR    163    A
CLD    169    S
WND    165    S
NTR    166    S
MYS    167    A
SPI    69    E
Total    899    S
Weighted    854    S


Level-Up Difficulty    144    F


Hurray for copy-paste.

[Esoterica]

Wiki?

...

...I'm not having a good day today. :derp:

[FantomFang]

Oops, that's no fun. At least you know how to hack it  :V

I've been working through the Ver.2 character bosses myself, up to Flandre right now (just stepping through the database so I fight them in order of increasing levels). Up to LVL 153 Reimu too, which is nice, so I should be well able to start Boss Rush when I'm done here (although I'll have to go beat Maribel again when I'm done with that, as the Mask is the last item I need   :derp:)

All of these battles have been pretty fun though; despite seeming very hard, I don't think I've yet to not win on my 1st try, interestingly enough. Probably the biggest difference maker besides allocating elemental resistances is the fact that just about every single Ver.2 character boss falls to a dedicated PAR-lock. W/Suwako to get the PAR started (at which time Reimu stops buffing and joins in) I've been able to make several boss fights that started very hard into jokes. Like Orin, who was hurting me quite bad until I got Suwako's PAR to stick in a down moment, and she never got to act again.

Fun times.

[Esoterica]

Thank you Barrakketh, Axel.  Crisis averted. :V

[Krimmydoodle]

Is hacking in a respec really that easy?  Specifically, I'm wondering how the affects of level bonuses are stored.  I mean, you can hack his visible stats to whatever he starts with, but say you did that after investing 100 levels into his attack, would his attack accurately rebuild itself as normal or would it build itself as if it has 100 attack bonuses more than really exist?

[FantomFang]

Darn, first Ver. 2 boss to kick my butt. Yukari is actually nasty on the offensive this time around (although it didn't help that she sniped Ran before I could get her to start the party-wide buffing). I might grind a couple levels and boost my MND a bit for this...

[Esoterica]

Is hacking in a respec really that easy?  Specifically, I'm wondering how the affects of level bonuses are stored.  I mean, you can hack his visible stats to whatever he starts with, but say you did that after investing 100 levels into his attack, would his attack accurately rebuild itself as normal or would it build itself as if it has 100 attack bonuses more than really exist?

...after comparing his stats to other characters post-leveling, I'm starting to see your concern.

Goddammit.

[Ghaleon]

Is hacking in a respec really that easy?  Specifically, I'm wondering how the affects of level bonuses are stored.  I mean, you can hack his visible stats to whatever he starts with, but say you did that after investing 100 levels into his attack, would his attack accurately rebuild itself as normal or would it build itself as if it has 100 attack bonuses more than really exist?

I imagine it would be even harder than that.

Not only do you get a +3% (pre equipment,skill level, level up bonus etc) per level to whatever stat you chosen, you also get a +4% bonus to *ALL* stats per level up..on top of their skill growth.

Try leveling up a character who is level 1 with no skillpoints. Their first level up will make sure their stats go up according to the wiki, but by level 100, you'll notice that all their stats, even with no equipment or skill levels start to grow at a far increased pace, even if it's a stat you never touched for level up bonuses >=)

edit: as for 18f's viability as a main tank. I dunno, I don't really see how Remi can't do better when her defensive stats are pretty much the same, but has much more hp, and more importantly, can easily keep her def/mnd up high with a certain skill of hers.

[spookedmoose]

I think 18f is file C33.ngd. Copy that from Save_NaN into one of the save# folders, and you'll have a level one char on that save slot. Then it's just a matter of knowing what level your current character is and editing in enough xp to lvl up. Remember to unequip 18f's items first though.

[Esoterica]

I think 18f is file C33.ngd. Copy that from Save_NaN into one of the save# folders, and you'll have a level one char on that save slot. Then it's just a matter of knowing what level your current character is and editing in enough xp to lvl up. Remember to unequip 18f's items first though.

Glad I made a backup, that was actually

Spoiler:

Maribel

.  Figured it out though, he's c31.ngd.  Thanks, this works perfectly.

...or not, his TP and affinities are off.

[Ghaleon]

is there an easy way to make it so the music is the old stuff by default? I change it and save and it always reverts to special disk music once I relaunch the application. I tried changing the names of bgm.dxa to bgm 3, and vice versa (I imagine bgm is the original game, bgm2 is plus disk, and bgm3 is special disk)

[Krimmydoodle]

Glad I made a backup, that was actually

Spoiler:

Maribel

.  Figured it out though, he's c31.ngd.  Thanks, this works perfectly.

...or not, his TP and affinities are off.

Could you just hack those down to size like you tried with the other stats?  I don't think those have any weird growth rates screwing with them, so it seems to me like it'd be accurate.

[spookedmoose]

Glad I made a backup, that was actually

Spoiler:

Maribel

.  Figured it out though, he's c31.ngd.  Thanks, this works perfectly.

...or not, his TP and affinities are off.

oops  :blush: should have double checked before posting. You'll have to use the C31.ngd file from Pesco's fixed NG+ instead of save_NaN

[Esoterica]

Could you just hack those down to size like you tried with the other stats?  I don't think those have any weird growth rates screwing with them, so it seems to me like it'd be accurate.

That's true.

Alright, now we're back in business. :V  ...I'm not sure that was worth all the trouble, lol.

[RainfallYoshi]

15F is bullshit. I can barely do anything because enemy parties like to wipe out characters before I can do much of anything. Am I really going to have to go grind on 14F just so I can even do 15F?

[FantomFang]

Took a break from Ver. 2 bosses to do boss rush, and found it incredibly easy (was Reimu 154).
The only hard part was bashing my head against the wall against the Final Boss when I had no TP to switch chars (0,0,2,2) and all my guys out were defensive (Meiling, 18F, Patchy, Reimu) 'cept for Patchy, but ofc I'd been Djinn Stormed. So I was constantly waiting and focusing for SP, and crying whenever she Djinn Stormed again. Finally got Meiling killed and brought in Youmu, who brought the pain (and could actually focus worth a damn, yay!)

Glad you got the character working Esoterica, 18F should do you well up there, methinks.
...Now off to beat the Final Boss normally again so the game will give me my 3rd star...

[Esoterica]

15F is bullshit. I can barely do anything because enemy parties like to wipe out characters before I can do much of anything. Am I really going to have to go grind on 14F just so I can even do 15F?

I found 15f more manageable due to the lack of golems, personally.

[FantomFang]

15F I don't recall as being that nasty...Just be sure to have someone around to break through the Blackenmel's defenses (Patchy, or another character w/high defense/mind piercing formula or overwhelming dmg). If Tengu's outspeeding you is a problem, you should be able to compensate for that a bit in equips. Otherwise, I think you should be able to nuke most of the other enemies...

Just take your time, and don't accidently run into the Great Stamp if you value your life  :V

[Parallaxal]

Need to take down the Tengu on 15F? Just bring Cirno, raise her SPD as much as you can, and go nuts with Diamond Blizzard. You don't even need to raise her ATK; the Tengu have 0 PAR resistance, so they'll be stuck in place as the rest of your party picks them off every time. Paralysis is great on this floor; Spectres, Sorceresses, and Magic Crystals all have 0 PAR too. Only 3 enemies can resist the mass paralysis, so you can customize the rest of your active party to take these enemies down.

[Pesco]

oops  :blush: should have double checked before posting. You'll have to use the C31.ngd file from Pesco's fixed NG+ instead of save_NaN

Say...is this how we can make 4 Flans for FOUR OF A KIND?? XD

[spookedmoose]

Say...is this how we can make 4 Flans for FOUR OF A KIND?? XD

I wondered that myself, but if you make 3 copies of Flan's file (C25.ngd) and rename them to C26.ngd say, the TP,  resist/affinity, and stuff carry over but nothing else does. I only spent a little bit of time experimenting back in the "Reisen is a useless bunny" era though, so there might be a way. A00.ngd has toggles for acquired members, B00/B01 is inventory, DS01-30 are floors obviously, and E00/F00 I don't know (or remember). I doubt editing any of this stuff will increase Flan content.

[Ghaleon]

Say...is this how we can make 4 Flans for FOUR OF A KIND?? XD

That would be so painfully boring.

Basically you do nothing but starbrow break the entire time, because casting anything else will nerf your attack gauges so t hat having 4 is no different than having 1.

[Pesco]

I wondered that myself, but if you make 3 copies of Flan's file (C25.ngd) and rename them to C26.ngd say, the TP,  resist/affinity, and stuff carry over but nothing else does. I only spent a little bit of time experimenting back in the "Reisen is a useless bunny" era though, so there might be a way. A00.ngd has toggles for acquired members, B00/B01 is inventory, DS01-30 are floors obviously, and E00/F00 I don't know (or remember). I doubt editing any of this stuff will increase Flan content.

When I have time, I will most definitely look over these files.

That would be so painfully boring.

Basically you do nothing but starbrow break the entire time, because casting anything else will nerf your attack gauges so t hat having 4 is no different than having 1.

It's the novelty of having 4 Flans. Coupled with the editting method above, you can have someone else's spells but with Flan's stats and build.

[spookedmoose]

That would be so painfully boring.

Basically you do nothing but starbrow break the entire time, because casting anything else will nerf your attack gauges so t hat having 4 is no different than having 1.

But...but... Flan-chan~

Really though I just wanted to see if it was possible to duplicate/edit character skills, not just stats

[Esoterica]

So, should the Four of a Kind party contain any healing or buffing spells?   I'm currently in the process of replacing Mokou and Okuu on a fresh NG+ file, which leaves one more Flan left.  If the "Ha ha, old chap! raw damage" theme stays, I'm replacing Orin (...which I should probably do anyway, can you imagine how amazing her composite spells would be on Flan?  Hell, even Cat's Walk would be stupidly good).  Replacing Rumia with one would provide both healing and absurd damage (Moonight Ray with Flan's MAG?  Step aside, Nitori) while keeping with her FIR/MYS theme.

I still feel like this team would be so much more fun with buffers though.

EDIT: For some reason, this isn't working.

[Krimmydoodle]

I'm not understanding why, if you're trying to make a set of hilariously damaging Flans, you're using magical nukes to do it.  Sure, Flan's magic is good, but it's her attack that's (quite literally) bloody amazing.  What about handing Flan a Linear Gun?  Last Judgement?  Kimontonkou + Flight of Itaden?  I see these being better ideas than magical nukers.

(Rereading your post, I guess you're trying to keep with Flan being fire-based over raw damage, but blah, I'll leave this post here anyway.)

[Esoterica]

I'm not understanding why, if you're trying to make a set of hilariously damaging Flans, you're using magical nukes to do it.  Sure, Flan's magic is good, but it's her attack that's (quite literally) bloody amazing.  What about handing Flan a Linear Gun?  Last Judgement?  Kimontonkou + Flight of Itaden?  I see these being better ideas than magical nukers.

(Rereading your post, I guess you're trying to keep with Flan being fire-based over raw damage, but blah, I'll leave this post here anyway.)

Yeah, I was just trying to keep a theme.  Obviously replacing characters like Shiki or Nitori would make her holyshitamazing, but the attacks wouldn't exactly make sense with Flan :V

EDIT: I removed the cooties from 18F.

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[FantomFang]

Well, after packing up for college today I starting kicking some Ver. 2 butt again. Down to just 18F's Ver. 2, and I gotta say, ouch, ~4m HP.
At least I can design specifically for each form and own them. I imagine Suwako might even be able to one shot the WND form  :V

EDIT: Beat it! Whoo! Up to four stars now 

[Garlyle]

Yeah, I was just trying to keep a theme.  Obviously replacing characters like Shiki or Nitori would make her holyshitamazing, but the attacks wouldn't exactly make sense with Flan :V

EDIT: I removed the cooties from 18F.

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Why has nobody done this to add, say, Mima or Shinki?  All things considered, the spell names sound like something a final boss would have.

[Esoterica]

Why has nobody done this to add, say, Mima or Shinki?  All things considered, the spell names sound like something a final boss would have.

Believe me, I've wondered the same things multiple times.  I was considering replacing Marisa with Mima, personally.